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Re: 8970B learnings


 

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Thank you I will definitely check that.?

The rubber feet inside on the bottom boards all dissolved into goo, which I¡¯m seeing more often. I fear many older plastic items will meet this fate over time. I cleaned up and should check operation, maybe the goo affected a high impedance circuit like a reset line. BTW if this happens to you I found that some acetone and a brush with paper towels to catch the runoff make quick work of cleanup and leaves the board looking like it just came from the factory.?

These things play out in slow motion for me as I only have a short time each evening to play.?

Peter

On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Pete Manfre <pmanfre@...> wrote:

CHeck for a bad bleader resistor on the reset line.? I have seen that same thing before.? Once it charges it keeps the processor in reset.


Pete


On 10/10/2018 2:51 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
No I¡¯m happy enough just amazed! ?And I will end up learning a bunch more about these instruments as well as ending up with a better capability unit.?

Of course it would be even better to end up with *two* working units, right?

While I wasn¡¯t able to find a direct replacement YTO for the first unit, I did retrofit a different model but it doesn¡¯t seem as stable as I imagine it should be. Maybe I¡¯m expecting too much from an open loop? ?

The YTOs in these units are mounted in a mu-metal shield but the replacement it physically too large for that and I even had to make a new mounting bracket.?

Once I clean up the second unit and dig in and get running I may have more questions from the operational side but for now it¡¯s just some time on the bench.?

The unit did fire up when I first powered it on but gave an error (maybe 80?) so I hooked up a noise source to see if that was the issue and hit instrument preset but then it stopped responding and further attempts to start it showed a locked up display. Thus my initial guesses at the controller or power supply or mechanical connection.?

I know the theory of NF measurement just never used an instrument to play with it on the bench.?

Peter

On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Pete Manfre <pmanfre@...> wrote:

BTW¡­ if not happy I can take it back.?

P

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 2:27 PM Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@...> wrote:
A while ago I bought a 8970B noise figure meter but never got it running due to a bad YTO. Recently, thinking it would be interesting to play with, I bought another for parts, figuring I would make one good one.

To my surprise, internally they are quite different!? The YTO in the second one is completely different, with an entirely different frequency range. Hmmm, that¡¯s interesting...

It turns out that the second unit has option 20, meaning it can go to 2 GHz. I am amazed how different these units are internally!

In any case the initial problem in the second unit appears to be in the controller which usually doesn¡¯t run at all. Or maybe power supply, I haven¡¯t dug into it. The unit was dropped hard at one point in its life as the back panel where the transformer is mounted is bent so I¡¯m going to look for a mechanical cause for the problems and instead of looking to fix the first unit concentrate on the option 20 one. Hopefully the YTO wasn¡¯t damaged in the drop.

It is just interesting to me that the slight increase in the top end frequency required such massive RF system changes.


Peter




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