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Re: Commercial interest ?


 

Ok Lothar, that one was aimed directly at me, so I must respond!

I do lots of things without expectation of pay. I have coached
recreational soccer for many years. I help out with one of the
local youth orchestras. I am always available for school field trips.
I chaperon school events. I give electronics demonstrations at
my local schools. I make buttons that the schools give out as gifts
and rewards. I am involved in local zoning and planning issues that
affect my community.... I do construction, repair, and remodeling
work for friends and family... The list goes on and on. I spend
rather a lot of time not getting paid!

What I won't do, is go out and spend hundreds or thousands of
dollars, to buy instruments that I don't need or particularly want,
so I can give away my experience to help others. I need something
in the project to make it worthwhile for me to get involved.

A couple of examples which seem to have gotten a burr under your
saddle:

1) you came up with the idea to make an LCD vector display to replace
the display trays in a couple of HP scalar network analyzers. I
offered to help you by writing all of the programs necessary to make
your idea work... even though I don't own any examples of the
network analyzer. To make it possible for me to do this work I
said that I required someone to *give* me one of these network
analyzers (~ $2000) so I would have a platform on which to test my
software. That is a very cheap rate for a professional programmer
(which I am) to do your job. Instead, you went out and hired some
consultant, who was willing to work for an hourly rate... A rate
which certainly would have ended up in costing you many times more
than my bid!

2) 8640B's have been breaking delrin gears since they were introduced
40 years ago. I have been fixing these gears for much of that time.
I long ago gave up on 8640B's and moved on to synthesized signal
generators. But, in answer to the cry for help with broken gears,
I posted several notes on repair methods I had successfully used,
and offered to make available gear sets *at cost* if someone would
*give* me an 8640B 1/2/3 to use for measuring and testing the gears
(and as a minor compensation for my effort). Known working 8640B 1/2/3's
are available regularly on eBay for BIN prices in the $200 to $400
range (and they rarely sell at those prices). I did not require
a working 8640B. I figured this would be a nice way of getting the
job done, without me having to go out and buy an 8640B (which I don't
need) so I could measure it and give away the gears at cost.

I am a self employed Electrical Engineering Consultant. That is my *only*
source of income. That has been my only source of income for the last
25 years!

Electronics is not a hobby for me. It is my livelihood. I am not going
to tell you I don't enjoy messing with this old stuff. I do. That is
why I hang around these boards, and why I use this old test gear in my
consultancy. That is also why I offer to give away my professional
expertise, and only source of income, to help others with these projects.

But for me to do this, I need to keep my real boss happy, and that will
only happen if I don't *lose* money on these helpful ventures.

But, it seems to piss you off enough that you feel the need to lecture
me on being generous, helping society, etc...

Perhaps I should abandon these helpful efforts and go back to working
only with my professional customers?

-Chuck Harris


microwaveengineer1968 wrote:

One thing that comes up more and more often from people on this newsgroup is the .... im not doing anything unlessi get paid for it ! dont get me wrong i like money as much as anyone else and im not this well off that i dont need any income but lets reflect and think about it for a second....
If many of the great inventors would have shown this attitude than we would be without a phone, light or electricity and the laws of basic electronics would never been written!
Lets face it, many of the great inventors didnt start out because they wanted to make money, they were tinkerers who liked to dabble around and wanted to make things better, true in many cases wealth and large companies came out of the original invention but it was not the primary concern of the guy when he spend countless hours, days and month sometimes years in the lab going trough trial after trial facing the riddicule of friends family and sometimes even peers !
There are still many hams designing microwave circutry and publishing detailed instructions on how to build their creations in magazines for anyone to build without asking for any compensation.
Lets take for example Michael Kuhne DB6NT of germany who pioneered many easy to build 10,24 and 47GHz designs, he did all the work in his spare time, published many instructions and articles in DUBUS and traveled from SHF convention to convention to promote his designs and to answer questions from newcomers on how to build and improve those designs, all on his own money without any commercial interest !
True sooner or later a company resulted out of it and today kuhne electronic is good in business but it was not the primary idea of michael when he started designing his stuff !
Sometimes we just need to step back and do things out of technical interest without asking the $ question first, after all the good book tells us that who seeks his rewards on this earth shall get their rewards here and not in heaven !

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