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Re: HP-8443A Tracking Generator Problems


lothar baier
 

Lets go back to the basics,
A spectrum analyzer basically is a swept receiver, in the case of the 8553 you have three conversion steps to reduce the input signal to 3MHz IF, the first LO normally is swept by a ramp, the amplitude of the ramp determines the sweep width or span while the DC offset of the Ramp normally determines the start frequency of your sweep.
The tracking generator is basically a "reversal" of your spectrum analyzer, you take the LO signals and mix them with a Fixed lo that represents the IF used, amplify the resulting signal and level it, the signal frequency will track with the frequency of your spectrumanalyzer, now if you insert a filter for example you will be able to measure the filter characteristics !
Now to the markers, the X axis of your analyzer can be scaled in a voltage/div, lets say you sweep the full band of 0-110MHz, your DC offset will be O and your ramp will be 10Vp, now you have 11MHz/Volt, lets assume you desire a marker at 55MHz , 55MHz corresponds to 5Vp on your ramp, you now take a comparator and run the ramp on one input and the 5V reference on the other whenever the two match you get a pulse, all you need to do now is to route the pulse back into your analyzer and use it to either blank the trace for a short period of time or intensify it, so now you got a marker on your screen even without any RF !
now at last you want to know the marker frequency, you have two ways to skin this cat, you can either use a voltmeter to measure your reference voltage scale it and display it on a digital display (this however is not how the 8443 does it) or you can use a frequency counter and connect it to the RF output, now since you only want the marker count you only trigger the counter whenver you get the marker pulse and at the same time stop the sweep for a brief moment to allow the counter to aquire the signal, now you counted your marker !
In this system the only function that will not work if the RF signal is gone is in fact the frequency counter for your marker function ! you will however always get a marker blip on your display whether you have RF or not !
If you look closely at your control cable that connects the 8443 with the 141T you will notice that beside the coax contacts you also have regular Contacts, those contacts carry the control signals, you will also notice that you have more coax contacts than LO signals, this is because one of the coaxes carries your sweep ramp from your 141T mainframe.
I suggest you download the 8443 manual and study the functions, it contains a good overall circuit description as well as block diagrams that will help you understand the functionality

"David C. Hallam" <dhallam@...> wrote:
Now I am getting confused.

The spectrum analyzer screen has a line designated CENTER FREQUENCY. As you
turn the frequency knob on the 8553B RF section to move a signal peak to
coincide with this line, you can read the frequency of the signal from the
linear scale on the 8553B.

When the 8443A tracking generator is connected to the 141T system, it
generates a marker on the CENTER FREQUENCY line of the 141T display. As
above, when you move a signal peak to coincide with this line and place the
marker at the top of the peak, the 8443A will display the frequency of the
signal.

The marker is on the CENTER FREQUENCY line of the screen all the times,
input signal or no input signal.

What is happening is there is no display of frequency on the 8443A at any
time. Even when the marker is centered on the signal peak.

The 8443A is also capable of being used as a stand alone frequency counter.
If I connect my signal generator to the 8443A in this mode, the 8443A will
display the frequency of the signal generator output.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]On Behalf Of lothar baier
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:14 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP-8443A Tracking Generator
Problems

ok there are two basic ways to create a marker in a swept system, one is
called RF blanking the other one is called intensity modulation, ok usually
you have a control voltage thats proportional to your RF frequency, if the
analyzer sweeps its basically a ramp, each point of the ramp corresponds to
a certain frequency, you feed this signal to a comparator and compare it to
a DC voltage thats adjustable (coming from your marker pot) anytime the ramp
"hits" this threshold you get a pulse on your comparator output, you route
this pulse back into your display and use it to crank up the intensity just
a bit at this point and there you have a marker blip on your screen :) you
could also use this pulse to turn the RF of your TG off for just a moment
but then you would end up with a dark spot as a marker for a short time
instead of beein brighter.
Your statement about you seein a bright blip on your screen as a marker
along with the statement about you seen the marker even with the calibator
connected to your RF section input makes me certain that your markers are
intensity modulated !

"David C. Hallam" <dhallam@...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]On Behalf Of lothar baier
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:21 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP-8443A Tracking Generator
Problems

have you ever considered a 5345A ? they are cheap, and they go to 500MHz

The marker does not really say anything, most of the time markers are
blanked in on the sweep trace not on the RF level, i havent looked in the
manual but thats how most generators and sweepers are doing it, the fact
that you see a marker blip without the RF output of the generator beein
connected to the SA input supports this.

I don't understand this statement. I have the 8443A connected to
the 141T SA system with the interconnect cable. Without this there would
be
no marker blip on the 141T screen.

one possibility is to build a pre-scaler for your counter to extend the
frequency range, the other one is that i could loan you a 500MHz counter
so
you can do the testing

"
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