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HP 3456a was Re: HP 3478A general questions


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The 3456a was the most accurate in the HP fleet when introduced in 1981. The model line was 345x, so in its heritage was the 3455, 3457, and finally the ersatz standard DMM today, introduced in ~1989, the 3458. HP introduced a high accuracy ADC method, multislope II, with 3456a, you'll see marked change in posted accuracy versus the 3455a. The 3458a further improves that technique. In summary, if you're looking for accuracy these series of DMMs are one to shoot for.

There are pros and cons to the discontinued models, 56a and 57a. For example, The 56a is as good as the 57a in DCV at 1 year ppm, while the 57a is 10x more stable in 1yr as a ohmmeter. The 57a uses all close case calibration and has more unobtanium in its parts list, versus the 56a, which was the last to use all pots based calibration. The basic 57a reads only to 300Vrms maximum, but also has a current mode.

As for prices, the low end is similar on both, about $50 without shipping, but on the high end with calibration, the 56a runs to $300 while 57a about $700.

The 3478a was a general purpose working meter, ~10x less accurate in DCV than the 3456a.

As mentioned earlier you can use a resistor network; dekaviders or KV bridges in DC, to generate other DC voltages needed to check ranges, but maintaining stability in the reference enough to check the meter's accuracy, is the challenge. Its enough a whole new forum discusses this issue alone, volt-nuts@.... A similar problem exists for AC.

To calibrate a meter to realize its best accuracy requires grasping key concepts in metrology. A simplest approach is to take your DMM and compare its readings against a known good DMM. The reference DMM should ideally be 4x to 10x more accurate than the DUT. This is the concept of TUR, test uncertainty ratio. When making comparisons, say voltages, the test volt must be stable and precise enough during the transfer, for example if you are checking the 1V range between DMMs, you need to generate a 1V voltage stable to 1uV resolution or less, 1.000 000 VDC. Without a high level of thoroughness and stability, your 6.5 digit DMM will have increasing uncertainty as you get to its LSD.

On the low end of the range, special conditions apply that are fully covered in Keithley's low level measurement handbook, and these need to be controlled once dealing with uV, mohms, and uA adjustments.

Lastly, one has to decide if the effort described in volt nuts is worth it, or should one just take your DUT to the calibrator periodically for $100-$150 to insure your 6.5 digit DMM is as good as you expect it to be.

--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., Jeff Machesky <jeff@...> wrote:

So it's about the time of year where I'm allowed to buy one piece of
test gear and I'm thinking I want a bench meter with higher
resolution. The best I've got so far is the Tek 2465BDM which has a
20,000 count 0.03% accuracy DMM. It's however a little out of cal and
I just don't want to spend the cash to get it back in perfect spec.
It's also a bit crazy to have a scope running just to use the DMM.
This brings me to the 3478A. While I could technically afford to buy a
new 120,000 count DMM I just can't justify the cost for the hobby type
work that I do. Plus I love working with the older gear and saving money.

Couple quick questions about the 3478A:

Can one range be calibrated at a time? This is not highly clear in the
service manual. Can I calibrate just the 3V range for example?
Are they reliable, or will I have to fix up most of what I would buy
on say ebay?

The problem I have with the meter on my Tek is that you have to run the
entire cal for each measurement type, If you start with DC you have to
go all the way up the range from millivolts up to several hundred
volts. As we all know it's easy to get a precision calibrated low
voltage references such as a DMM check board, it's another thing to get
500 volts or higher reference at the spec of the meter.

So is this really a meter to buy if your willing to send it off to be
calibrated or have a calibration transfer standard meter that's above
the specs of the 3478A? In other words if all you have is just a few
standards are you wasting your time?

Has anyone had any luck using a precision reference, some precision
resistors and an op-amp to generate other reference voltages with any
degree of accuracy? Also has anyone found a good source of say 500
volts 60 Hz AC? The right audio amp and a sig gen can get you some of
the other odd cal standards. High voltage DC is just so much easier to
obtain then a nice high voltage sine wave.

Sorry for the random questions, and thanks for any replies. The
54111D is still running great. My thanks again for everyone who helped
me fix the ROM's.

Jeff

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