Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
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In all reality china and foreign students have changed the game quite a bit , ?back in the days Development was done in the US , most if not all of the design engineers were US Citizens or hailed from “friendly” countries ( we had folks
from great Britain and then later on at nokia we had a few from finland )? , the prototyping or pre-production was done in the US or in the case of nokia finland and production was done in the US ,? now you have foreign especially Chinese folks embedded in
r+d departments and production is done in china , good luck trying to hold china or Chinese nationals accountable for patent violations
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From: Steve - Home via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
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I think you missed the point. There are many products already on the shelves of resellers with the “patent pending” mark on them. You don’t have to have a patent to put a product into production. That is a self-imposed
requirement to protect intellectual property and keep patent attorneys employed. And a smart move I should add. Granted, you probably won’t see a Keysight product with a “patent pending” mark, or anything with big money intellectual property involved, but
have a look around, they’re out there.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
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No,
you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing.
The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.?
That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent.
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I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.?
The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important.? Many patents take years to be awarded.
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Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted
and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs.
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Best, Francesco K5URG
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?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured
that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market!
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often
little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret,
so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted
(but it was submitted first).
Pete
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