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Re: 8594E input attenuator issue?


 

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n8zmTWH@... : I do not have/searched the schematics of my particular ATT. I based my assumptions on a previous post from someone that attached schematics. They may not be the right ones.

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My exact model number is : 33321-60036 it goes to 70dB I think. My 8594E is from 9kHz to 2.9GHz.

Measuring the pads where the contact blades touch when selected, still in the aluminum block I get these readings :

They are in order from Input to Output.

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PAD 2 : 81.69 ohm

PAD 3 : 98.04 ohm

PAD 4 : 51.65 ohm

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of n8zmTWH@...
Sent: 20 janvier 2022 10:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8594E input attenuator issue?

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Using the p-p amplitudes shown in the lower left corner of the screen, I calculate 20 dB where you said 40, and 30 dB where you said 50. Are you sure that is a 40 dB section, as that is kind of uncommon in the HP attenuators I¡¯ve seen? They would usually get 40 by turning on two 20¡¯s. Getting 40 dB across one section is asking a lot of the isolation across that section as the frequency goes higher.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Nicolas Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8594E input attenuator issue?

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I enabled FFT on my DSO. (It is a Rigol D1052E hacked to 100Mhz)

My TF 2015 is old and the maximum dB out I can get is theoretically -1dB (-7dB on the dials and a +6dB boost on CW Mode)

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First picture shows without any attenuation

Second shows the 40dB attenuation

Third shows 40dB + 10dB attenuation.

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I will clean contacts and re-measure later.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Gord via groups.io
Sent: 20 janvier 2022 01:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8594E input attenuator issue?

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Nicolas,
If your DSO has an FFT function it could help in checking the higher attenuations.
--John Gord

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 08:09 PM, <nicolas.mailloux@...> wrote:

Alright, I tried myself with a 3D printed plunger. It's not perfect, I would need to trim a bit on the top because it keeps the blade too low when engaged, but it's doable with time.
The broken plunger is at the capacitor. I booted up my vintage TF2015 Marconi RF generator, set it to 50Mhz and 15Mhz here are the results :
PIN 1 = DC BLOCK
PIN 2 = 20 dB
PIN 3 = 40 dB
PIN 4 = 10 dB
I fed +/- -20dBm to the ATT from the TF 2015. My DSO read +/-63.2mVpp without the ATT and +/-60mVpp with the ATT all position retracted (OFF), a loss of about 1.5-2mVpp

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20dB

40dB

10dB

Reading

63.2mVpp

OFF

OFF

OFF

60mVpp

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ON

OFF

OFF

6.40mVpp

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OFF

ON

OFF

1.60mVpp

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OFF

OFF

ON

19mVpp

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ON

ON

OFF

0.800 - 1.2mVpp

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ON

ON

ON

0.800 - 1.2mVpp

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ON

OFF

ON

2.4-2.8mVpp

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OFF

ON

ON

.800-1.2mVpp

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