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Re: HP200CD oscillator


 

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Sprague "Bumble Bee" and "Black Beauty" condensers were molded improperly, and they will crack, especially the oil filled ones, and let in moisture. That seems to react with the oil and make it conductive as well as corrosive. Once this happens, leakage gets very bad, especially when the condenser is heated by surrounding components. Many efforts have been made to bake? and otherwise restore them, but once the problem begins it can not be reversed. The dielectric charicteristic? is perported to be superb for audio circuits, and AudioPhools will freak out if these condensers are replaced, that is until the power transformer, rectifer, output tubes, and filter choke in their amplifiers are all incinerated. Not only did Hammarlund use them in receivers, Collins and National did as well. Tektronix used them in their equipment, and too many consumer electronics companies to recall all of them.

?? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 11/4/21 13:45, Richard Knoppow wrote:

?? Who made those? Some early advertising for Sprague Black Beauty caps said they were plasticized paper. The main problem with these is some sort of production problem they had. I have dissected a number of "bumble bee" caps, these are actually Sprague Black Beauty caps with striped value markigns. I found the windings were distorted. I suspect this happened during the encapsulation but don't know. Some of these caps, the higher voltage ones, were oil impregnated. The oil was introduced through a tube which formed one of the leads. It is common for all the oil to have leaked out due to a lack of sealing at the solder joint between the tube and the lead. That may have been due to excessive heat when the caps were installed. The most notorious of the BB caps are those in the Hammarlund SP-600, however, they were very widely used including in a lot of -hp- gear. However, in the receiver it is common to find cracked or split caps or even caps where part of the casing has come off. I have not seen that in any other make of equipment. Perhaps just a bad lot or perhaps some difference in installation. Nonetheless, ALL paper caps become degraded with age. The usual symptom is an increase in series resistance. Leakage, which is another term for parallel resistance, is sometimes a problem but not as often. I don't think any of these caps, even the real oil filled transmitting caps, was intended to have a lifetime of over about ten years. The life problem was known and described in some engineering texts. It was dependent partly on voltage; the closer the voltage to the rated voltage the shorter the life of the cap. Likely it was some sort of electrolytic degradation of the paper.
?? In any case, paper caps should be replaced with modern plastic film caps. These for the most part will last forever and generally will improve performance perhaps beyond the original. There is a good amount of information on the web about the relative merits of various kinds of plastic dielectrics. Polypropylene seems to be about the best especially for RF use.

On 11/4/2021 9:33 AM, Dave Wise wrote:

Even the later plasticized-paper ¡°Prokar¡± and ¡°DiFilm¡± versions can cause trouble in some applications ¨C they may not be leaky, but their Dielectric Absorption and Dissipation Factor are ¡°through the roof¡±.

Dave Wise

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*Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2021 6:25 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP200CD oscillator

ALL Sprague "Black Cat", "Black Beauty" and? color striped "Bumble Bee" condensers should be considered bad on sight. Unfortunately, they are common in older equipment of all makes and models. The 630V. polyester condensers are a fine replacement. The only condensers that are polarized are electrolytics, poyester condensers are not polarized.

??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 11/4/21 8:51, Richard Merifield wrote:

??? My unit has Black Cat 0.5MFD 400v axial capacitors for C8
??? and C9. Would 630v polyester unpolarised caps be ok
??? replacements?



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