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Re: 5343A troubles


 

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That's interesting, the 5343A service manual specifies a test at 50MHz and -10dBm on the high frequency input (and the counter actually passes that without issue), but I also can pretty clearly tell that it's not working reliably above that range since the signal generator I have where I'm currently cooped up tops out at a bit over 1GHz (8640B with option 002).

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It did just dawn on me that it's conceivable that it's lost a leaf on the range switch and the sig gen readout is wrong, but since it didn't seem clearly related by a power of 2 to what the 5343A read that seems unlikely. ?I'm about to check that though

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Jim Ford <james.ford@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:31 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5343A troubles

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Um, Daniel, the high frequency input says 500 MHz to 26.5 GHz, so expecting it to work much below 500 MHz is a bit much.? I checked my 5343A with an 8350B sweeper with 83592B plug-in (10 MHz to 20 GHz), and got it down to 200 MHz at 0 dBm working just fine.? Got dicey at 100 MHz and 0 dBm, though.? I've not checked at lower input levels but could do so if you think it would help you.

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I haven't tried the lower frequency range lately.? Just back a few years ago when I got it to make sure it worked.? AFAIK, mine works fine.? I can't go beyond 20 GHz (not yet!).

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Jim

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From: "Daniel Sheen" <danielsheen5@...>

Sent: 4/13/2020 5:59:33 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5343A troubles

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Thanks for all the replies,

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further poking hasn't revealed much yet, though I haven't completely ruled out the front end connector yet (seems solid though). Power supplies seem ok.

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I'm slightly suspicious of the sampler driver at this point. It occurs to me that if somehow that were damaged in a way that suppressed even harmonics (idk how that could occur yet though) this seems like the symptoms that I'd expect to see.

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Further troubleshooting of that is on hold while I fix my 8555A, which apparently decided now was the perfect time to lose its +10V and +20V power supply:( But once that's fixed I'll come back to this.

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Best,

Daniel

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Askild <megafluffy@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:07 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5343A troubles

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Hi Daniel,

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Check the power lines for ripple.

I have a HP 5351B dumpster find, that did not work to well, needed higher input level, and did not work on all frequencies...

It was missing one of the capacitors in the power supply, so lots of ripple.

After finding the missing cap, and putting in a new one, it behaved great.

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Might not be your issue, but its an easy check..

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BR,

Askild

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:49 PM Daniel Sheen <danielsheen5@...> wrote:

Hi all,

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I have a rather bizarre problem with a 5343A counter. Observed symptoms are that the high frequency input works reliably up to about 250MHz, reads garbage from around 250MHz-800MHz, and then seems to work fine from 800MHz upward through 1GHz (I only have an 8640B handy atm so can't really test higher than that). Cranking up the input power a bunch seems to reduce the dead band to closer to 400MHz-600MHz.

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The counter initially failed troubleshooting step 4 in the service manual. That was resolved by replacing the A10 board (from another counter with a blown sampler). It now passes step 5 and is marginal on step 6 (sensitivity is a little lower than it ought to be but it seems to work).

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The one other observation I've made is the IF amplitude into and out of A11 drops off rapidly if an input is tuned into the range of frequencies that it's insensitive to, but I'm struggling to find a plausible explanation for why that could occur given my understanding of the counter design (that wouldn't also make higher frequencies not be detected).

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If anyone has any thoughts or has run into this before, suggestions would be appreciated.

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Thanks,

Daniel, KC1EPN

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