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CA-LOOK

That brain (of mine) that doesn't trust "OMEGAMON"?? It LIKES the old product being called LOOK.

Of course, it probably wasn't CA- then.? They bought most everybody later (post-1985) ... the blob that ate MVS third-party vendors.

-ahd-

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Drew Derbyshire

Mongol General:      "What is best in life, Conan?"
Conan the Cimmerian: "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you,
                      and to hear the lamentations of their women!"

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:25:06AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

On 6/25/20 10:23 AM, Jo?o Reginato wrote:

CA-LOOK

That brain (of mine) that doesn't trust "OMEGAMON"?? It LIKES the old
product being called LOOK.

Of course, it probably wasn't CA- then.? They bought most everybody
later (post-1985) ... the blob that ate MVS third-party vendors.

The company I work for had OMEGAMON. We downgraded to ASG TMON a few years,
or maybe it was closer to a decade, after I got started in operations. I
missed OMEGAMON. I vaguely remember coming across OMEGAMON references that
mentioned Candle. Searching for that, Bing suggests it was originally from
Candle Corp:





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Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Yes, Omegamon was originally developed by Candle Corporation. IBM purchased
Candle for Omegamon later on.

Mark
dasdman

CA-LOOK
Written and developed by ADR (Applied Data Research) who also did Librarian, Roscoe, and Vollie, and a Database product I can't remember bought and disassembled by CA in the mid 1980's
Good software by good people??

On 6/26/20 5:06 AM, Richard Kitz via groups.io wrote:

CA-LOOK
Written and developed by ADR (Applied Data Research)

I didn't know LOOK was by ADR.

who also did Librarian,

Used it at my first employer for years.

Roscoe,

Version 4.2 in line mode on 360/65 at Clarkson was not great. The scripting language (ROSPROC) was as close as you can get to a Turing machine (and not in a good way) and still try to get get work done.? But it still beat cards with three day turnaround (in high school) by a mile.

Version 5.x on a 3270 had full screen editing, a great scripting language (RPF) on par with REXX, with full screen dialogs.

and Vollie,

Vollie and & Panvalet were DOS.

and a Database product

Datacom/DB.

-ahd-

p.s. I used Librarian, ROSCOE 5.x, and (a little) Datacom/DB all at my first employer.? Also TMS (UCC-1), but that was by UCC, which was ALSO eaten by CA.

--
Drew Derbyshire

"Her hair reminds me of a warm safe place
Where as a child I'd hide
And wait for the thunder
And the rain to quietly pass me by . . ." -- Guns'n'Roses

On 2020-06-26 10:06 PM, Richard Kitz via groups.io wrote:

CA-LOOK
Written and developed by ADR (Applied Data Research)

Yes, so back in the day when they shut the system every night (and put covers over all the boxen in case the sprinklers went off) I had my SMP4 APPLY running with DIS(WRITE), and left the instruction "if you have to cancel it, only cancel it once".

SMP had an ESTAE with TERM=YES so that if ABTERM came along it would rewrite the numerous cylinders of directory blocks to the CDS.

They took the request literally, and when the APPLY did not terminate within the operators' wanting-to-go-home patience limit, they issued an E CAN which is a LOOK command, thereby not issuing an OS CANCEL more than once.

Of course, the effect was the same as if they'd issued an additional CANCEL, and the SMP CDS was totally cactus.? Luckily there was a backup from which to retry that particular software maintenance effort.

Gotta laugh.

Mind you, some of those LOOK console commands were lifesavers on numerous occasions, checking out jobs' allocations, address space status, etc.? Quite a powerful product in its time.

Cheers,
Greg