Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
Allan, yes, that's a pretty good summary of why you'd probably have to be insane to try to get IMS/360 DL/I (especially what appears to be a beta version) working on MVS.
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Which I suppose is where I come in. Looks like a nice little project to me, especially as there's no pressure or a given target date. I can take as much time as I like.
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As far as the OSAM DCB is concerned, I imported an MVT copy of SYS.1.MACLIB into MVS, and used it for the IMSGEN, PSBGEN, and DBDGEN. Has worked fine so far.
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The OSAM SVC was no problem. For convenience, I copied it into SYS1.LPALIB as SVC 233, an unused Type 4 slot on TK4-, and it's working fine. It's a very small piece of code that, as far vas I can see, should run as any SVC type.
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The matter of the OSAM channel-end appendage and the IEAAPP00 SYS1.PARMLIB member was straightforward to address. I created the IEAAPP00 member with some help from the good folk on this forum.
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At that point, DL/I loaded up a database with new main segments. But, as I had expected, in the next test the load of dependent segements into the OSAM file failed because the OSAM DEB had been GETMAINed from the wrong subpool (from subpool zero, when in MVS it should be subpool 230). The offending module is DFSIOS10, but the source code that we have is incomplete. So my next task is to use a disassembler (as supplied to me by the ever-helpful Jay Moseley) to make changes to that module. No doubt there will be more problems to solve after that. I think this little project is going to give me something interesting to do for some time yet.
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Regards, JJ
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P.S. Is there is user guide available anywhere for RECV370? Darned if I can remember how to use it. Thanks.
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
Hi R别苍é?
Tried S SHUTALL but with the same outcome sadly.
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Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
On 2/23/25 12:29, ssulser via groups.io wrote: Hi
Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much. It allows you to append control statements to the SYSLIN dataset. You might include statements to supply additional directives to the Link Editor, such as NAME, ORDER, etc.
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Re: Work with your Turnkey System like you are scientist from NASA!
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On 25 Feb 2025, at 22:03, Andre via groups.io <procritic@...> wrote:
Hello guys,
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Just wanted to share with you this publicly available NASA documents:
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Mission and data operations IBM 360: User's guide (1971)
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Mission and data operations IBM 360 user's guide (1973)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 1: System overview (1978)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 2: User's reference manual (1978)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 1-12) 1980
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 13-23) 1980
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Earth Observations Division verison of the Laboratory for Applications of remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 4: Program listings
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If you like stuff like that, please search for "IBM" on this site and you will find dozens of programs for IBM 360/370 that NASA used in 60s-70s.
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Best wishes,
Andre
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
I'm definitely doing something wrong.? I'm trying to run 2.5 and can only re-ipl by doing a quiesce first.
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I can only see two terminals (0060,0061) and 0060 is used for the console.
Also, there's no printer defined and 00E/00F do not exist.? Do I need to gen additional hardware with HCD?
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Can I pick your brain off list?
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PS-I'm an MVS newbie!
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Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
//LKED.SYSIN DD * ?Statements to include additional programs into load module. /*
Include copies the member (subroutine) into the object module Library sets up the member (subroutine) to be separately?loaded during runtime.
Hi
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Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much.
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COBUCL procedure:
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//COBUCL ?PROC CPARM1='LOAD,SUPMAP', ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? CPARM2='SIZE=2048K,BUF=1024K', ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? ? LKEDPGM='IEWL' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//COB ?EXEC ?PGM=IKFCBL00,REGION=4096K, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? PARM='&CPARM1,&CPARM2' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT ?DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT4 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLIN DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(MOD,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA, ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? SPACE=(80,(500,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//LKED EXEC PGM=&LKEDPGM, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ?PARM='LIST,XREF,LET',COND=(5,LT,COB),REGION=96K?
//SYSLIN ?DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ?DD ?DDNAME=SYSIN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLMOD DD DDNAME=SYSLMOD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSLIB DD ? DSN=SYS1.COBLIB,DISP=SHR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(1024,(50,20)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 03:19 PM, <ssulser@...> wrote:
Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to?
It is a concatenation statement for SYSLIN, typically to provide linker statements which, for example, would allow you to link/edit your main object module (the one defined by SYSLIN) with some other object module(s) from an other library, or to name the final object module produced by the linker.
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If you don't need it, you can ignore it. This will generate a warning but the link/edit will proceed normally.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
Quick guess is that you do NOT have a procedure installed called shutsys
May be need to look for the correct way - I seem to recall I had to run a few procedures to close everything down before doing the final quiesce? or something similar but may be spelt differently - it was a few years ago :)
There is NOT a one process that does it all i,e similar to TK4 or 5 and I would have to reread the manual/book for it - a RED BOOK being but one.
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On 25/02/2025 20:48, Erics51 via groups.io wrote: Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 22.5 & 3.1) but can't shut them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS.
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR
I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 03:20 PM, Erics51 wrote:
Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system.
Have you tried S SHUTALL instead?
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 2.5 & 3.1) but can't shut any of them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below:-
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?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED ? ?
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Thanks
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Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
Performing a little searching, I found this link which shows the difficulty of ever getting that version of DLI to work on MVS 3.8:
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How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
Hi
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Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much.
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COBUCL procedure:
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//COBUCL ?PROC CPARM1='LOAD,SUPMAP', ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? CPARM2='SIZE=2048K,BUF=1024K', ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? ? LKEDPGM='IEWL' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//COB ?EXEC ?PGM=IKFCBL00,REGION=4096K, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? PARM='&CPARM1,&CPARM2' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT ?DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT4 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLIN DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(MOD,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA, ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? SPACE=(80,(500,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//LKED EXEC PGM=&LKEDPGM, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ?PARM='LIST,XREF,LET',COND=(5,LT,COB),REGION=96K?
//SYSLIN ?DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ?DD ?DDNAME=SYSIN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLMOD DD DDNAME=SYSLMOD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSLIB DD ? DSN=SYS1.COBLIB,DISP=SHR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(1024,(50,20)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 22.5 & 3.1) but can't shut them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below
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?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED ? ?
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Work with your Turnkey System like you are scientist from NASA!
Hello guys,
?
Just wanted to share with you this publicly available NASA documents:
?
Mission and data operations IBM 360: User's guide (1971)
?
Mission and data operations IBM 360 user's guide (1973)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 1: System overview (1978)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 2: User's reference manual (1978)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 1-12) 1980
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 13-23) 1980
?
Earth Observations Division verison of the Laboratory for Applications of remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 4: Program listings
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If you like stuff like that, please search for "IBM" on this site and you will find dozens of programs for IBM 360/370 that NASA used in 60s-70s.
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Best wishes,
Andre
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
FYI, to use Hyperion instead of the older Hercules
Set the version you need, it's not very clear in the readme that there are only 2 options !
--flavor=aethra or --flavor=sdl-hyperion
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:50, botongrui, aka τσ尘. via groups.io <botongrui@...> wrote:
There is a hercules helper script that does the hard work for you, Windows, Linux or Mac I don't have the link, but if you post in the hercules group I'm sure someone will help with it
Regards,
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:29, Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
If you hate to do it, why did you? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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Re: Jay Moseley's sysgen instructions
On 2/24/25 19:47, Jay Moseley via groups.io wrote: On 2/24/25 08:31, William Turner via groups.io wrote:
On 2/9/25 14:52, Andre via groups.io wrote:
Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from
Andre
_._,_._,_ Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't
realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the
build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many
thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and
complete instructions.
Two minor problems - isn't there always something :- <SNIP>
I am looking at a new update to the MVS 3.8j installation/SYSGEN
instructions in the not too distant future. Lots of small items need
updating. For instance, Rob Prins' RPF no longer requires a separate
profile, as it now uses the ISP Profile dataset that Wally Mclaughlin's
ISPF and Greg Price's REVIEW use. It does no harm for this allocation to
still be present if you later upgrade to the latest version of RPF, but
it just needs to be cleaned up. All but one of the changes I need to
make to the process are like that, just small changes that have
accumulated as various applications have been upgraded.
Jay
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Jay - Very many thanks for that detailed response. I understand the difficulties of keeping your instructions up to date considering the rate of change in this software. Believe me your efforts are really appreciated. I will modify my copy as per your response and re-do the sysgen (just for experience). Best Bill
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:59?PM S. L. Garwood via <slgarwood= [email protected]> wrote: I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
Hello, your post would fit better into the Hercules-390 group. This group is more for discussing running MVS in Hercules Am 24.02.2025 um 23:59 schrieb S. L. Garwood via groups.io <slgarwood@...>: I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. You're possibly looking at the wrong GitHub repository. As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. Problem is that Hercules has been forked a number of times and it's very easy to stumble those other forks which see rare or no active development. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it. Did you file it for the correct fork, SDL-Hercules-390? :wq! PoC
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
There is a hercules helper script that does the hard work for you, Windows, Linux or Mac I don't have the link, but if you post in the hercules group I'm sure someone will help with it
Regards,
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:29, Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
If you hate to do it, why did you? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
If you hate to do it, why did you??? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM?
I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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René Ferland
botongrui, aka τσ尘.