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I think I said this before but I don't see my email. Another options to see
your DISPLAYs (if you want to see them in the MVS session log) is to code
them as:

DISPLAY ...(your variable or message)... UPON CONSOLE.

Ron Lucas
Lucasrb58@...

The other way to see your DISPLAYs is to use MSGCLASS=C (on my
MVS3.8j/Hercules System this is the "held" output sysout class) and change
your Go.SYSOUT to be:
//GO.SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=*

This results in the SYSOUT output using the MSGCLASS class. You should then
be able to view the DISPLAYs using RPF option 3.6 or RFE option 3.8.

Ron Lucas
Lucasrb58@...

I would try MSGCLASS=A

Chris
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 01:44:42 -0700
doscar.sole@... wrote:

Hi:

I have had a lot of problems with MSGCLASS, but I would recommend simply
deleting it.

Didn't work, same output.

Where do you want to see your output?

On the TSO screen / job output... I mean, something like

J E S 2? ?J O B? ?L O G
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? $HASP373 HELLO? ? STARTED - INIT? 1 - CLASS A - SYS HMVS
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEF403I HELLO - STARTED - TIME=03.30.07
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEC130I SYSPUNCH DD STATEMENT MISSING
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEC130I SYSLIB? ?DD STATEMENT MISSING
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEC130I SYSPUNCH DD STATEMENT MISSING
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEFACTRT COB? ? ?/IKFCBL00/00:00:00.14/00:00:00.34/00000/HELL
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEFACTRT GO? ? ? /LOADER? /00:00:00.03/00:00:00.12/00000/HELL
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? IEF404I HELLO - ENDED - TIME=03.30.07
*--> here the displays*
3.30.07 JOB? ? 2? $HASP395 HELLO? ? ENDED

I have no idea what MSGCLASS=O is - is it something you have defined
yourself?

On my work experience (as I told I have zero experience on sysadmin for Mainframe), I always understood that
MSGCLASS=X --> supress output
MSGCLASS=O --> send output to output queue

Looks like not... so I learned something today!

So, at this point, I would ask you to show us the output of the console
command:

$du

to have an idea of the status of your (JES2 controlled) unit record
devices.

00- $du
$HASP000 READER1? ?00C INACTIVE
$HASP000 PRINTER1? 00E INACTIVE
$HASP000 PRINTER2? 00F INACTIVE
$HASP000 PRINTER3? 015 DRAINED
$HASP000 PUNCH1? ? 00D INACTIVE

Thanks all for your answers!

THe c3270 is very powerfull 3270 terminal emulator. I use it daily in my job to access z/OS and z/VM sessions and prepared even small macro engine in python to fast enter of user/password (dependent on the session parameters) and even small help tool showing set of commands grouped by domain: VTAM, TSO, TCPIP etc).

It is of course the curses application and grabbing the screen depends on emulator (see Putty copy/paste options or different linux teminals), but it has also own mechanizm to grab the screen.

Look into dokumentation and check PrintText action (see ).

In simple form press Ctrl-] (escape) to go to command mode and type
PrintText(file, c3270.out).

The screen snapshot (in text form) will be saved in current direcory (the directory, where you start c3270).
More advanced operations are also possible (even sending output to the linux pipe).

Another nice feature is running c3270 with http listener.
Run (if? you have emulator on the same machine - replecae 0.0.0.0 by 127.0.0.1)
c3270 -httpd 0.0.0.0:8888 localhost:3270
and go to the browser, put address where terminal is running followed by selected port (here 8888) and you are in remote terminal control channel.

See for example:

http://<emulator-host-ip>:8888/3270/rest/text/Ascii()

From the top page you can just check screen snapshot converted to html:

http://<emulator-host-ip>:8888/3270/screen.html

Anyway I prefer pure text screenshoot, always readable even on mutt or mailx client.

Piotr

Hi:

I have had a lot of problems with MSGCLASS, but I would recommend simply deleting it.

Didn't work, same output.

Where do you want to see your output?

On the TSO screen / job output... I mean, something like

I have no idea what MSGCLASS=O is - is it something you have defined yourself?

On my work experience (as I told I have zero experience on sysadmin for Mainframe), I always understood that
MSGCLASS=X --> supress output
MSGCLASS=O --> send output to output queue

Looks like not... so I learned something today!

So, at this point, I would ask you to show us the output of the console command:

$du

to have an idea of the status of your (JES2 controlled) unit record devices.?

Hi!

This topic escalated quickly! hehe...
Well, as suggested, I tried shift + click and I was able to copy from c3270 (also from PuTTy window it allowed me to copy all window log, but is a bit more complex to get a "clean" copy).

Also, from posting images... most of the times they can be zoomed, and also, there are built-in tools such as Microsoft One Note that allows to search directly among images texts (it comes with an OCR, and as our working environment provides high-contrast images, is easy for the tool to search among the text image).

Finally, just to add my two cents, on some comercial software (quick3270, openText, etc), when copying, by default it makes it on image mode, so when you paste the text you copied it just puts an image (you can of course change this behaviour, but the default is "copy as image" :-) )

As I told, I just did it to provide context; I am a bit neurodivergent, and most of the times I cannot focus on just one thing, so my explanations tend to be incomplete and/or hard to understand. By attaching a screenshot, the reader (or viewer) can have a clear context of what's going on and have all details that I (or anyone) can miss to add on the explanation.

I think it's a good point to support a post/bug report/whatever with images, because they can add some value that a 2-page-long paper maybe can't add :-)

Jo?o Reginato wrote:

Fish wrote:

Jo?o Reginato wrote:

What is the cause of the errors below and what can I do to fix them?

[...]

Just out of curiosity, was volume FDS002 (i.e. device 2103 =
"d:/zos/devices/herc2/fds002.dev9") created via Hercules's
'convto64' > utility?

Yes it was

Interesting....

Do me a favor and go to:

*

and post your information into a new comment. Once I see it, I'll re-open the issue and work with you trying to get it resolved. I think I might, *maybe* know what's going on now.

Thanks.

(p.s. please preserve an exact copy of your dasd as it currently is. I might need you to upload it so I can look at it more closely in order to confirm/deny my suspicions. Thanks.)

(p.p.s. This thread should really have been posted to the main Hercules-390 group () and not here, since it has nothing to do with MVS.)

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Fish wrote:
[...]

True. But: 1) depending on your image viewer, the more you zoom,
the more blurry the text becomes, and: 2) you can't copy "text"
from an image, forcing you to manually re-type everything yourself,
which is not only a PITA but risks the introduction of typing
errors, resulting in much confusion.

And I should probably add: 3) for the truly visually impaired, the "text" that may exist in an attached screenshot (image) can't be read by most screen readers (unless you have a really sophisticated screen reader that is able to automatically OCR an image).

I'm not blind myself (just need glasses), but I can imagine the problem such screen shots might impose for those who happen to be legally blind.

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Kevin Monceaux wrote:

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 01:43:41PM -0700, Fish Fish wrote:

Posting screenshots is, on the grand scheme of things, NOT that
big of a deal. It's just a minor thing, really.

True, but they might go unnoticed by some. In my plain text e-mail
client I didn't page down far enough when initially reading the OP's
e-mail to notice there were screen shots attached. I went back and
found them after they were mentioned later in the thread.

Same here.

With text, the recipient (i.e. the person reading the post) can
set THEIR email/html client's font to whatever size is convenient
for their aging, visually impaired eyeballs. Can't do that with
screenshots unfortunately.

Perhaps not with your mail client, but you could open the screen
shot(s) in an image viewer and zoom in as needed.

True. But: 1) depending on your image viewer, the more you zoom, the more blurry the text becomes, and: 2) you can't copy "text" from an image, forcing you to manually re-type everything yourself, which is not only a PITA but risks the introduction of typing errors, resulting in much confusion.

Attaching screen shots for actual pictures is fine.

Attaching them for text is not.

At least in my personal opinion anyway.

<shrug>

As I said, no big deal. Just trying to pass on some helpful advice is all.

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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:14:34 -0700, "Phil Young"
<mainframed767@...> wrote:

Just tested, c3270 doesn't let you select/copy text in the terminal.

It seems to be something related to some curses based applications.
Normally when the simple select (with mouse) does not work, try press
<shift> key while selecting:

=====================8<-----------------------------------------------
Terminal CUU0C2 Date
19.08.22 Time 19:57:27

** **** ||
** ** ** ** ** |||
** ** ** ** ** ||||
** ** ** || ||
|l _,,,---,,_ ** ** ** || ||
ZZZzz /,'.-'`' -. ;-;;, ** **** || ||
|,4- ) )-,_. ,( ( ''-' ** || ||
'---''(_/--' `-')_) ** ** ** || ||||||||||||
** ** ** |||||||||||
The MVS 3.8j ** ** ** ||
Tur(n)key System ** ** ** ||
* **** *** ||||||

TK3 created by Volker Bandke vbandke@...
TK4- update by Juergen Winkelmann winkelmann@...
see TK4-.CREDITS for complete credits

MVS 3.8j Level 8505

Logon ===>
RUNNING
TK4-
=====================8<-----------------------------------------------

Most of the time it works.


HTH


Roxo

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PU5RXO | PX5Q6048 | I see text,
------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!

Matthew,

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 02:29:21PM -0700, Matthew Wilson wrote:

In my case, using xterm, if I hold down the shift key, mouse events are
handled by xterm instead of being passed through to c3270. Thus, if I hold
down shift, I can highlight text in the terminal window and copy (in my
case, Ctrl-Shift-C to copy selected text from xterm).

Thanks for mentioning that. It works in urxvt also, and is easier than then
GNU screen method I was using. Now if I can just remember that technique
until I have the opportunity to use it enough times for it to stick in my
memory.




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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Fish,

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 01:43:41PM -0700, Fish Fish wrote:

Posting screenshots is, on the grand scheme of things, NOT that big of a
deal. It's just a minor thing, really.

True, but they might go unnoticed by some. In my plain text e-mail client I
didn't page down far enough when initially reading the OP's e-mail to notice
there were screen shots attached. I went back and found them after they
were mentioned later in the thread.

With text, the recipient (i.e. the person reading the post) can set THEIR
email/html client's font to whatever size is convenient for their aging,
visually impaired eyeballs. Can't do that with screenshots unfortunately.

Perhaps not with your mail client, but you could open the screen shot(s) in
an image viewer and zoom in as needed.



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Kevin


Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On 08.19.2022 12:14, Phil Young wrote:

Just tested, c3270 doesn't let you select/copy text in the terminal.

c3270 enables "mouse reporting" in the terminal so you can use the mouse
to click around to set the cursor position, trigger the menus, etc.

Therefore, it's taking over the standard mouse behavior from your
terminal emulator, which is why it seems like you can't select text to
copy and paste.

So you need to know how your terminal emulator works.

In my case, using xterm, if I hold down the shift key, mouse events are
handled by xterm instead of being passed through to c3270. Thus, if I
hold down shift, I can highlight text in the terminal window and copy
(in my case, Ctrl-Shift-C to copy selected text from xterm).

I also know in MacOS, when using Terminal.app, you can toggle mouse
reporting with Command-R. So you can toggle mouse reporting off,
highlight and copy text as you please, then toggle mouse reporting back
on again if you want to use your mouse with your 3270 session.

-Matthew

Phil Young wrote:

Just tested, c3270 doesn't let you select/copy text in the terminal.

Seems like a shortcoming to me, but okay, I guess that explains it then.

Posting screenshots is, on the grand scheme of things, NOT that big of a deal. It's just a minor thing, really. But *sometimes* people post screenshots where the text is quite tiny and hard to read for some people. With text, the recipient (i.e. the person reading the post) can set THEIR email/html client's font to whatever size is convenient for their aging, visually impaired eyeballs. Can't do that with screenshots unfortunately. Their size is determined by the person making the post, not the person reading their post.

That's it. Thanks for the feedback. We can end this thread now. Thanks everyone.

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On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:14:34PM -0700, Phil Young wrote:

Just tested, c3270 doesn't let you select/copy text in the terminal.

That seems odd, but I just found the same when I tried. Fortunately I was
running c3270 under GNU screen. After engaging GNU screen's copy/scrollback
mode I was able to copy a c3270 screen:


.-. .-..-. .-..----. .---. .--. .-.
} \/ { \ \_/ /{ {__-` `-`} } { {} } | |
| { } | \ / .-._} } .-.} } _{ {} }{`-' }
`-' `-' `-' `----' `----`{_}`--' `---'

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFDDDDDDDDDDDDD 1111111
R::::::::::::::::R F::::::::::::::::::::FD::::::::::::DDD 1::::::1
R::::::RRRRRR:::::R F::::::::::::::::::::FD:::::::::::::::DD 1:::::::1
RR:::::R R:::::RFF::::::FFFFFFFFF::::FDDD:::::DDDDD:::::D111:::::1
R::::R R:::::R F:::::F FFFFFF D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::R R:::::R F:::::F D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::RRRRRR:::::R F::::::FFFFFFFFFF D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R:::::::::::::RR F:::::::::::::::F D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::RRRRRR:::::R F:::::::::::::::F D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::R R::::::R F::::::FFFFFFFFFF D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::R R::::::R F:::::F D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
R::::R R::::::R F:::::F D:::::D D:::::D 1::::1
RR:::::R R::::::RFF:::::::FF DDD:::::DDDDD:::::D111::::::111
R::::::R R::::::RF::::::::FF D:::::::::::::::DD 1::::::::::1
R::::::R R::::::RF::::::::FF D::::::::::::DDD 1::::::::::1
RRRRRRRR RRRRRRRFFFFFFFFFFF DDDDDDDDDDDDD 111111111111

ENTER REQUEST FOR TERMINAL CUU0C0 ========>

When all else fails, improvise. :-)



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Kevin


Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Hi, you can call me David :-)
I tend to post pictures because of professional defect... on the place I work we normally take screenshots for bugs/simillar documentation because are more quick and also they tend to add some information (if there's a full screenshot, you can have some contextual information such as time, date, etc); also some tools mess up/don't allow to copy-paste, so I don't even try... hehe... I just make a snapshot knowing it will work :-)

Sorry if this clogs a bit the space, I will try to get text versions for the next post.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Yes it was

-----Mensagem original-----
De: [email protected] <[email protected]> Em nome de Fish Fish
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 19 de agosto de 2022 14:41
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: Re: [H390-MVS] HHC00398I messages

Jo?o Reginato wrote:

What is the cause of the errors below and what can I do to fix them?

[...]

HHC00398I 08:57:51.171843 0:2103 cckd64_gc_percolate(4436):
gcperc selected space 0x0000000000012658 len 65536

HHC00398I 08:57:51.171850 0:2103 cckd64_read(457): file[0]
fd[10] read, off 0x0000000000012658 len 65536

HHC00342E 0:2103 CCKD file[0] d:/zos/devices/herc2/fds002.dev9:
offset 0x0000000000012658 unknown space 7e0bd08200

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'cckd64_gc_percolate'
at cckddasd64.c(4511)

Just out of curiosity, was volume FDS002 (i.e. device 2103 =
"d:/zos/devices/herc2/fds002.dev9") created via Hercules's 'convto64'
utility?

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Jo?o

Hello doscar.sole,

I ran your COBOL program on three different MVS systems (TK4-, an old Jay Moseley system, and MVS Community Edition) and, in all three cases, the Hello World messages get punched. Your compile/loader output is stored in class O. I don't know if it is a held class or not on your system, and whether or not a printer is connected to it. If there is no printer for that class, you can probably look at the output using QUEUE (if you have it installed). Here's the console log for the job on my (old) Jay Moseley system:

0200 15.02.19 JOB? ?69? $HASP100 R13264J? ON INTRDR
4000 15.02.19 JOB? ?69? $HASP373 R13264J? STARTED - INIT? 1 - CLASS A - SYS H155
0020 15.02.19 JOB? ?69? IEC130I SYSPUNCH DD STATEMENT MISSING
0020 15.02.19 JOB? ?69? IEC130I SYSLIB? ?DD STATEMENT MISSING
0020 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? IEC130I SYSPUNCH DD STATEMENT MISSING
4000 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? CCI001C COB? ? ?/IKFCBL00/00:00:00.05/00:00:00/00000/? ? ? ? /R13264J
4000 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? CCI001C GO? ? ? /LOADER? /00:00:00.02/00:00:00/00000/? ? ? ? /R13264J
4000 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? $HASP395 R13264J? ENDED
C000 15.02.20? ? ? ? ? ?$HASP309? ? INIT? 1 INACTIVE *** C=A
0000 15.02.20? ? ? ? ? ?SE '$HASP165 JOB? ?69? R13264J ENDED',LOGON,USER=(R13264)
0200 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? $HASP150 R13264J? ON PUNCH1? ? ? ? ? ?3 CARDS
0200 15.02.20 JOB? ?69? $HASP150 R13264J? ON PRINTER2? ? ? ? ?7 LINES
0200 15.02.20? ? ? ? ? ?$HASP160 PUNCH1? ?INACTIVE - CLASS=B
0200 15.02.20? ? ? ? ? ?$HASP160 PRINTER2 INACTIVE - CLASS=A

Just tested, c3270 doesn't let you select/copy text in the terminal.

(off topic)

Someone whose name we don't know but whose email address is doscar.sole@... wrote:

<snip; unimportant to the topic>

Just out of curiosity doscar.sole@..., what tn3270 terminal client do you use? Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270 product? Or x3270? (wx3270, c3270, wc3270)

I only ask because, as far as I know, most 3270 terminal emulators support copying text directly from the 3270 screen into your email, thereby completely eliminating the need to copy & paste screen images. Does the 3270 emulator you're using not support that?

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