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Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

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Wow,

? ?Thank you for all this great information. ?I have forgotten all the different systems I was running back in the 80¡¯s on my Army IBM 4381 and two 4341¡¯s. ?Ada would be another great addition to the list. ?

Look forward to see if IBM is receptive to our Hobby. ??

George

P.S. ?I would love to get a copy of your ISPF program.

Thanks again.?


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Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

Hi Wally,

Thanks for sending a copy of ISPF
I've installed this version and runs like a charm.

Cheers,
Rob
Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

You can contact wally at wally@...


On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:02 AM Rob Prins via <rob.prins=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Wally,

I am very interested in your ISPF version.
I cannot find a proper emailadress to ask a copy.
Do you have a webpage or emailaddress where I can ask a copy of ISPF?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,
Rob

Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

Hi Wally,

I am very interested in your ISPF version.
I cannot find a proper emailadress to ask a copy.
Do you have a webpage or emailaddress where I can ask a copy of ISPF?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,
Rob
Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

On 11/25/20 6:11 AM, Henk Stegeman wrote:

I would love to see SDSF (the field developed version with source code before it became an IBM PP).
Anyone ?
QUEUE does about the same.? I think it could be incrementally could be converted to take the input and do the output like SDSF.

It's one my (long) list of interesting things. I just have not taken the time to descend down that (or another dozen S/370) rabbit holes.

--
Drew Derbyshire

"While the ANSI X3J11 committee puts the beginning of all time at 1
January 1970, we now know through extensive research that time actually
started much earlier than this . . ." -- Tools.h++ V5.1 Class Reference
Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

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I think the Revout function of Review - which I invoke in my ISPF - does a pretty good job of displaying and managing JES 2 output.

?

Wally

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Henk Stegeman
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 04:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Additional MVS 3.8 free software

?

I would love to see SDSF (the field developed version with source code before it became an IBM PP).
Anyone ?

Henk

On 25-11-2020 14:35, Wally Mclaughlin wrote:

You forgot to mention ISPF for MVS 3.8 which I've written from scratch and is available to anyone who emails me -

?

The product was written for MVS 3.8 and attempts to re-create the functionality of ISPF from that era.? The product supports many of the familiar features of ISPF, such as menus, panels, variables, messages, tables, ISPF commands and PFKeys, thereby providing the look and feel of the original ISPF.

????

ISPF Version 3.2 was used as the basis for development, although some features from subsequent versions, such as AREA support, are included.??

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The product does not perform any of the functions of the IBM Program Product PDF. Instead, it invokes Review as an ISPF application to perform browse, edit and other functions.

?

Wally

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Melton via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] mounting a SCRTCH volume

?

Oh, how I would love for IBM to release later versions of MVS to hobbyists
some day. I'd even be happy if they just released some MVS 3.8J level
program products like compilers and CICS to hobbyists.

I would love it too, and to me it would only help IBM get great PR as a result, without impacting their installed base.? Still we do have a fair bit to freely play with even in our ancient environment:
? * (older) COBOL and PL/I compilers
? * the IFOX00 Assembler
? * the ASSIST Assembler
? * Other compilers in the SYSCPK
? * VSAM implementation
? * BREXX
? * RPF/RFE productivity environments (for ISPF)
? * KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS 3.8J/TK4-?? Moshix has a video on installation.

Here's the way I look at it - It's fun to be able to play around with software that's pushing 50 years old (for our sort routine, it's even older!!) and find out what it's still capable of.? Myself I took assembly language as a college course for the MC68000 chip decades ago and have done nothing with it since - it's good brain exercise to try out my assembly skills on a completely different platform and instruction set.? I consider it a challenge to develop a working application without a database driving it and using a compiler that's almost as old as I am.? JCL was something I dealt with and conquered decades ago under XA and promptly forgot once I left the mainframe environment.? And I've always had an underlying respect and appreciation for the mainframe platform itself since I got a work/study job as a college student where I was able to operate the University's excellent mainframe-based administrative systems.

It's also easy on the wallet to gather this knowledge from older editions of manuals freely available on bitsavers or from books available at dirt cheap prices from AbeBooks and ThriftBooks.?

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this whole COVID lockdown.? It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.?

?

Virus-free.

Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 03:11:25PM +0100, Henk Stegeman wrote:

I would love to see SDSF (the field developed version with source code
before it became an IBM PP).
Before our mainframe was retired where I work, we had IOF. I'd probably
feel like a fish out of water with SDSF.





--

Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

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I would love to see SDSF (the field developed version with source code before it became an IBM PP).
Anyone ?

Henk

On 25-11-2020 14:35, Wally Mclaughlin wrote:

You forgot to mention ISPF for MVS 3.8 which I've written from scratch and is available to anyone who emails me -

?

The product was written for MVS 3.8 and attempts to re-create the functionality of ISPF from that era.? The product supports many of the familiar features of ISPF, such as menus, panels, variables, messages, tables, ISPF commands and PFKeys, thereby providing the look and feel of the original ISPF.

????

ISPF Version 3.2 was used as the basis for development, although some features from subsequent versions, such as AREA support, are included.??

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The product does not perform any of the functions of the IBM Program Product PDF. Instead, it invokes Review as an ISPF application to perform browse, edit and other functions.

?

Wally

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Melton via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] mounting a SCRTCH volume

?

Oh, how I would love for IBM to release later versions of MVS to hobbyists
some day. I'd even be happy if they just released some MVS 3.8J level
program products like compilers and CICS to hobbyists.

I would love it too, and to me it would only help IBM get great PR as a result, without impacting their installed base.? Still we do have a fair bit to freely play with even in our ancient environment:
? * (older) COBOL and PL/I compilers
? * the IFOX00 Assembler
? * the ASSIST Assembler
? * Other compilers in the SYSCPK
? * VSAM implementation
? * BREXX
? * RPF/RFE productivity environments (for ISPF)
? * KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS 3.8J/TK4-?? Moshix has a video on installation.

Here's the way I look at it - It's fun to be able to play around with software that's pushing 50 years old (for our sort routine, it's even older!!) and find out what it's still capable of.? Myself I took assembly language as a college course for the MC68000 chip decades ago and have done nothing with it since - it's good brain exercise to try out my assembly skills on a completely different platform and instruction set.? I consider it a challenge to develop a working application without a database driving it and using a compiler that's almost as old as I am.? JCL was something I dealt with and conquered decades ago under XA and promptly forgot once I left the mainframe environment.? And I've always had an underlying respect and appreciation for the mainframe platform itself since I got a work/study job as a college student where I was able to operate the University's excellent mainframe-based administrative systems.

It's also easy on the wallet to gather this knowledge from older editions of manuals freely available on bitsavers or from books available at dirt cheap prices from AbeBooks and ThriftBooks.?

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this whole COVID lockdown.? It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.?


Virus-free.

Additional MVS 3.8 free software

 

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You forgot to mention ISPF for MVS 3.8 which I've written from scratch and is available to anyone who emails me -

?

The product was written for MVS 3.8 and attempts to re-create the functionality of ISPF from that era.? The product supports many of the familiar features of ISPF, such as menus, panels, variables, messages, tables, ISPF commands and PFKeys, thereby providing the look and feel of the original ISPF.

????

ISPF Version 3.2 was used as the basis for development, although some features from subsequent versions, such as AREA support, are included.??

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The product does not perform any of the functions of the IBM Program Product PDF. Instead, it invokes Review as an ISPF application to perform browse, edit and other functions.

?

Wally

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Melton via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] mounting a SCRTCH volume

?

Oh, how I would love for IBM to release later versions of MVS to hobbyists
some day. I'd even be happy if they just released some MVS 3.8J level
program products like compilers and CICS to hobbyists.

I would love it too, and to me it would only help IBM get great PR as a result, without impacting their installed base.? Still we do have a fair bit to freely play with even in our ancient environment:
? * (older) COBOL and PL/I compilers
? * the IFOX00 Assembler
? * the ASSIST Assembler
? * Other compilers in the SYSCPK
? * VSAM implementation
? * BREXX
? * RPF/RFE productivity environments (for ISPF)
? * KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS 3.8J/TK4-?? Moshix has a video on installation.

Here's the way I look at it - It's fun to be able to play around with software that's pushing 50 years old (for our sort routine, it's even older!!) and find out what it's still capable of.? Myself I took assembly language as a college course for the MC68000 chip decades ago and have done nothing with it since - it's good brain exercise to try out my assembly skills on a completely different platform and instruction set.? I consider it a challenge to develop a working application without a database driving it and using a compiler that's almost as old as I am.? JCL was something I dealt with and conquered decades ago under XA and promptly forgot once I left the mainframe environment.? And I've always had an underlying respect and appreciation for the mainframe platform itself since I got a work/study job as a college student where I was able to operate the University's excellent mainframe-based administrative systems.

It's also easy on the wallet to gather this knowledge from older editions of manuals freely available on bitsavers or from books available at dirt cheap prices from AbeBooks and ThriftBooks.?

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this whole COVID lockdown.? It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.?


Virus-free.

Re: on AS/400's (was: mounting a SCRTCH volume)

 

Hello Kevin,

Am 24.11.2020 um 23:45 schrieb Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...>:

I have a couple of VAXstations, an IBM 9406-270, 9406-520, and an RS/6000 whose model number I forget at the moment.
If you (or anybody else) needs any help with your AS/400¡¯s don¡¯t hesitate to ask me.

:wq! PoC
Re: Has anyone looked at mixed-case passwords for TSO logon?

 

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That's fair enough, but now with Hercules we have tn3270 connections with our favourite 3270 emulator and there is no need for upper case conversion there.

I'm working on a Command Processor and modifying a TMP (Terminal Monitor Program-like IKJEFT01) which I wrote many years ago. The fullscreen data stream in tn3270 is almost exactly the same as the 3270 data stream sent and received via TPUT and TGET and there is no conversion to uppercase. The PUTLINE and GETLINE services don't force everything to upper case. Neither do BSAM and QSAM, if the command processor uses those.

And as an example, if I send myself a message using the TSO SEND command, IKJEFT01 doesn't convert the message text. I get

?Erik The Viking was here. ROOPY

That's why I asked whether anyone has looked into it. It seems that everyone accepts it, by default. Some editors default to CAPS ON if there is no lower case when the data is opened. But there is no necessity. As far as I can make out, RAKF would need an option to store the password as is, the network solicitor would need an option to leave it as is, and for most people that would be enough. I suppose if there are any fullscreen (panel) apps asking for a password, they might need a small change.

Oh well. It's not a show-stopper. But it is something people comment on when they ask for a logon to play on my system. They find it hard to believe that they have to go around turning UPPER CASE SHOUTING off in various places, such as editors.? I wonder what z/OS does these days?


Roops

On 25/11/2020 05:42, Charles Bailey wrote:

Converting characters to upper case is pervasive throughout TSO, MVS, JES, etc., etc.? I had a 3270 terminal once, it was either a 3278 or 3279, that even had a rocker switch by the side of the screen to convert all characters on the display to upper case, regardless of what the host was sending.? I had a 3277 terminal once that could only display upper case characters.? (You could type characters of both cases but they always displayed as upper case.? I remember how much confusion this caused a few times when I was trying to debug a program.)? The ISPF editor has a option to convert whatever you type to upper case.? Conversion to upper case is everywhere.

On 2020-11-24 10:56, Rene BRANDT via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I think user and password are always converted to capital letters
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Re: Has anyone looked at mixed-case passwords for TSO logon?

 

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Converting characters to upper case is pervasive throughout TSO, MVS, JES, etc., etc.? I had a 3270 terminal once, it was either a 3278 or 3279, that even had a rocker switch by the side of the screen to convert all characters on the display to upper case, regardless of what the host was sending.? I had a 3277 terminal once that could only display upper case characters.? (You could type characters of both cases but they always displayed as upper case.? I remember how much confusion this caused a few times when I was trying to debug a program.)? The ISPF editor has a option to convert whatever you type to upper case.? Conversion to upper case is everywhere.

On 2020-11-24 10:56, Rene BRANDT via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I think user and password are always converted to capital letters
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Re: mounting a SCRTCH volume

 

Gregg,

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 05:31:55PM -0500, Gregg Levine wrote:

Wow! Do you plan on weaving using actual homespun? (Thread woven from raw
cotton or wool or linen stuff.)
I have a Turkish spindle, but haven't tried spinning yet.

But in my defense mine is of computers in general. Both what we discuss
here, and the regular desktop and laptop style.
I have a fondness for computers in general too. I wish I had the funds and
space for a larger collection. I have a couple of VAXstations, an IBM
9406-270, 9406-520, and an RS/6000 whose model number I forget at the
moment. I think the version of AIX on it is from way back in the 3.x range.
It used to run DT/6000 where I work before it was retired.


--

Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: mounting a SCRTCH volume

 

Hello!
Wow! Do you plan on weaving using actual homespun? (Thread woven from
raw cotton or wool or linen stuff.) But in my defense mine is of
computers in general. Both what we discuss here, and the regular
desktop and laptop style.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 5:26 PM Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...> wrote:

Jeffrey,

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 02:00:14PM -0800, Jeffrey Melton via groups.io wrote:

* KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS
3.8J/TK4-? Moshix has a video on installation.
Yes, I have it installed on a system I sysgened using Jay Moseley's
instructions.

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this
whole COVID lockdown. It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.
I think my main hobby is collecting hobbies. :-) YouTube keeps helping me
find more hobbies than I could possibly have time for. I tend to cycle
through them, focusing on one or two hobbies at a time. One of those
hobbies is collecting mainframe emulators and OSes. At the complete
opposite end of the spectrum, the hobby I'm focusing on at the moment is
weaving. I have a rigid heddle loom, and just received a book on building a
PVC four shaft loom.

--

Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Standing there watching the X-Wings fly past, stands a statue. It is
of Master Luke, and a sign next to it, says, "Be more like him!"
Re: mounting a SCRTCH volume

 

Jeffrey,

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 02:00:14PM -0800, Jeffrey Melton via groups.io wrote:

* KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS
3.8J/TK4-?? Moshix has a video on installation.
Yes, I have it installed on a system I sysgened using Jay Moseley's
instructions.

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this
whole COVID lockdown.? It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.
I think my main hobby is collecting hobbies. :-) YouTube keeps helping me
find more hobbies than I could possibly have time for. I tend to cycle
through them, focusing on one or two hobbies at a time. One of those
hobbies is collecting mainframe emulators and OSes. At the complete
opposite end of the spectrum, the hobby I'm focusing on at the moment is
weaving. I have a rigid heddle loom, and just received a book on building a
PVC four shaft loom.




--

Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: mounting a SCRTCH volume

 

Oh, how I would love for IBM to release later versions of MVS to hobbyists
some day. I'd even be happy if they just released some MVS 3.8J level
program products like compilers and CICS to hobbyists.
I would love it too, and to me it would only help IBM get great PR as a result, without impacting their installed base.? Still we do have a fair bit to freely play with even in our ancient environment:
? * (older) COBOL and PL/I compilers
? * the IFOX00 Assembler
? * the ASSIST Assembler
? * Other compilers in the SYSCPK
? * VSAM implementation
? * BREXX
? * RPF/RFE productivity environments (for ISPF)
? * KICKS for TSO (CICS replacement) - Did you know that's available for MVS 3.8J/TK4-?? Moshix has a video on installation.

Here's the way I look at it - It's fun to be able to play around with software that's pushing 50 years old (for our sort routine, it's even older!!) and find out what it's still capable of.? Myself I took assembly language as a college course for the MC68000 chip decades ago and have done nothing with it since - it's good brain exercise to try out my assembly skills on a completely different platform and instruction set.? I consider it a challenge to develop a working application without a database driving it and using a compiler that's almost as old as I am.? JCL was something I dealt with and conquered decades ago under XA and promptly forgot once I left the mainframe environment.? And I've always had an underlying respect and appreciation for the mainframe platform itself since I got a work/study job as a college student where I was able to operate the University's excellent mainframe-based administrative systems.

It's also easy on the wallet to gather this knowledge from older editions of manuals freely available on bitsavers or from books available at dirt cheap prices from AbeBooks and ThriftBooks.?

Finally, It's a hobby that keeps me from mentally going nuts with this whole COVID lockdown.? It gives me great ways to spend my spare time.?
Re: Has anyone looked at mixed-case passwords for TSO logon?

 

Thanks for the comments. Yes, I appreciate that a lot of input values get converted to upper case.

But in the case of MVS 3.8j, it's line mode input unless you type userid/password at the solicitor screen. I can't remember the last time I was asked for a password after logon, so it seemed like a reasonable idea, in principle :-)

Roops

On Tue., Nov. 24, 2020, 17:40 Mike Schwab, <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote:
Some sites have permitted lowercase passwords then found some screens
translated lowercase into uppercase and they were unable to use their
lowercase password.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:56 AM Rene BRANDT via
<rbr146=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi, I think user and password are always converted to capital letters
> ¸é±ð²Ô¨¦
>



--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
Re: Trying to add a printer or punch as sockdev

 

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Progress. And thanks for the help to all who replied.

HercPrt connected on the port I set, and sat idle. The directory I set in "Spooler Dir" was empty, apart from a 0-byte file called PRT20F9.tmp, so I played around a bit. The HercPrt installer didn't make suggestions about the control file to use. My first guess was MVS-1line.ini from C:\Users\Roopy\Documents\HercPrt? (not sure what the number of lines means). Changed it to MVS-33Lines.ini and it started putting out PDF files :-)

RFE 3.8 is handy if you don't enjoy typing OUTPUT jobname NOHOLD commands in TSO.

What I did:-

I've been using SYSOUT=X already for held output in 'SYS1.JES2PARM(JES2PARM)' and Y is also

defined there :-

??X PRINT,SYSOUT,HOLD??????????????? HOLD - SYSOUT??????????
??Y PRINT,SYSOUT,HOLD??????????????? HOLD - SYSOUT??????????

so I added PRINTER4 for class Y as below and increased the count &NUMNPRTS=4

PRINTER3?????? CLASS=X,SEP,AUTO,DSPLTCEL,NOPAUSE,UNIT=002,DRAIN,?????? +??
?????????????? UCS=QN,FCB=6???????????????????????????????????????????????
PRINTER4?????? CLASS=Y,SEP,AUTO,DSPLTCEL,NOPAUSE,UNIT=003,DRAIN,?????? +??
?????????????? UCS=QN,FCB=6???????????????????????????????????????????????

/$s prt4 gave me:-

HHC00008I /$s prt4
17.00.47?????????? $HASP000 OK
HHC02210I 0:0003 LOADED lpi=6 index=1 lpp=66 fcb=1:1,7:2,13:3,19:4,25:5,31:6,37:7,43:8,49:10,55:11,61:12,63:9
17.00.47 JOB?? 76? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 24 LINES
17.00.47 JOB?? 76? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 98 LINES
17.00.47 JOB?? 76? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 56 LINES
17.00.47 JOB?? 76? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4???????? 2 LINES
17.00.47 JOB?? 76? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4?????? 179 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 76? $HASP250 ROOPY1?? IS PURGED
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 12 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 29 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4???????? 1 LINE
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4???????? 4 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4??????? 56 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4???????? 2 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4?????? 121 LINES
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP150 ROOPY1?? ON PRINTER4?????? 179 LINES
17.00.48?????????? $HASP160 PRINTER4 INACTIVE - CLASS=Y
17.00.48 JOB?? 87? $HASP250 ROOPY1?? IS PURGED


Thanks again, all :-)

Roops


On 20/11/2020 19:30, Joe Monk wrote:

"I don't know how JES2 links PRT1 to an MVS device address!"

Thats in member JES2PM00 in SYS1.PARMLIB....

*?
* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LOCAL PRINTERS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? *?
*?
PRINTER1 ? ? ? UNIT=00E,CLASS=A,FCB=6,FORMS=STD1,SEP,AUTO ? ? ? ? ? ? ?C
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?NOPAUSE,START ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1403 ? ? ??
PRINTER2 ? ? ? UNIT=00F,CLASS=M,FCB=6,FORMS=STD1,SEP,AUTO ? ? ? ? ? ? ?C
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?NOPAUSE,UCS=TB,START ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?3211 ? ? ??
*?

Joe

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:15 PM Rupert Reynolds <rupertreynolds@...> wrote:
Thanks. That JES2 command has moved things forward--I can connect now.

But I realise I need to RTFM on JES2 and printing. I didn't ever have much to do with printing, and it was JES3 in my shop.

I don't know how JES2 links PRT1 to an MVS device address!

Roops.

On Fri., Nov. 20, 2020, 17:01 Rahim Azizarab via , <rahimazizarab=[email protected]> wrote:
You already have the definition?
B 0003 3211 PRT? sockdev print fcbck IO[4]

I usually use 1403 for Printer;? I am not sure if the highlighted part is necessary. Just go to your Web browser and type localhost:4444;? you may need to do a $S PRT1 on your SCP (Hercules) console too.? ?




Rahim?
? ?



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On Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:49:49 AM CST, Rupert Reynolds <rupertreynolds@...> wrote:


Can anyone suggest what to do next, please? I'm trying to understand the various options for TCP/IP links
between MVS and the host. I'm mostly ignorant of the Herc options for sockdev devices and CTCs etc, and I
did do a SYSGEN a few times many years ago, but most of the details are forgotten.

I don't think it's a configuration problem on the host, as I can connect to
port 3505 (RDR) and submit jobs just fine, although it shows as a 2540 in MVS (00c).
?
Given this result from /D U in the Hercules console, I was assuming that there are two 3211 printers in the IOGEN, 002 and 003.

HHC00008I /d u
15.36.56?????????? IEE450I 15.36.56 UNIT STATUS 447
?UNIT TYPE STATUS? VOLSER VOLSTATE?? UNIT TYPE STATUS? VOLSER VOLSTATE
?002? 3211 A???????????????????????? 003? 3211 OFFLINE
?009? 3215 C???????????????????????? 00C? 2540 A
?00D? 2540 A???????????????????????? 00E? 1403 A
?00F? 1403 A???????????????????????? 010? 3277 OFFLINE
?011? 3277 OFFLINE?????????????????? 01F? 3215 OFFLINE
?070? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 071? 2703 OFFLINE
?072? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 073? 2703 OFFLINE
?074? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 075? 2703 OFFLINE
?076? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 077? 2703 OFFLINE
?080? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 081? 2703 OFFLINE
?082? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 083? 2703 OFFLINE
?084? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 085? 2703 OFFLINE
?086? 2703 OFFLINE?????????????????? 087? 2703 OFFLINE

If I hit Esc to view hardware from Hercules' POV, 003 is missing. So I added 003 in the TK4-.cnf :-

# unit record devices
#
0002 3211 prt/prt002.txt ${TK4CRLF}
0003 3211 sockdev

And now it appears in the Hercules hardware list (below), but I can't connect to it on port 4444 from
Win64 telnet, a simple socket client I bashed together, or using telnet from Linux. For comparison,
I /can/ connect to Hercules port 21 if I start FTPD.

Roops
Enc:-
U Addr Modl Type Assignment

A 0002 3211 PRT? prt/prt002.txt crlf print fcbck IO[2]

B 0003 3211 PRT? sockdev print fcbck IO[4]

C 000E 1403 PRT? prt/prt00e.txt crlf print fcbck IO[21]

D 000C 3505 RDR? 3505 sockdev ascii trunc eof IO[4]

E 000D 3525 PCH? pch/pch00d.txt ascii IO[2]

F 0480 3420 TAPE * IO[4] maxsize=0 eotmargin=128K deonirq=N

G 010C 3505 RDR? jcl/dummy ascii trunc eof IO[2]

H 010D 3525 PCH? pch/pch10d.txt ascii IO[2]

I 000F 1403 PRT? prt/prt00f.txt crlf print fcbck IO[117]

J 030E 1403 PRT? log/hardcopy.log crlf print fcbck IO[449]

K 0009 3215 CON? *syscons cmdpref(/) IO[237]

L 00C0 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

M 00C1 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

N 00C2 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

O 00C3 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

P 00C4 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

Q 00C5 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

R 00C6 3270 DSP? * IO[4]

S 00C7 3287 DSP? * IO[2]

T 03C0 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

U 03C1 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

V 03C2 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

W 03C3 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

X 03C4 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

Y 03C5 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

Z 03C6 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

. 03C7 3270 DSP? GROUP=TCAM IO[4]

. 0610 3088 CTCA IO[1]

. 0611 3088 CTCA IO[1]

. 0660 3705 LINE Read count=39, Write count=37 IO[77]

. 0661 3705 LINE Read count=39, Write count=37 IO[77]

. 0662 3705 LINE Read count=39, Write count=37 IO[77]

. 0663 3705 LINE Read count=39, Write count=37 IO[77]

. 0664 3705 LINE Read count=30, Write count=27 IO[58]

. 0665 3705 LINE Read count=30, Write count=27 IO[58]

. 0666 3705 LINE Read count=30, Write count=27 IO[58]

. 0667 3705 LINE Read count=30, Write count=27 IO[58]
Re: Has anyone looked at mixed-case passwords for TSO logon?

 

Some sites have permitted lowercase passwords then found some screens
translated lowercase into uppercase and they were unable to use their
lowercase password.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:56 AM Rene BRANDT via groups.io
<rbr146@...> wrote:

Hi, I think user and password are always converted to capital letters
¸é±ð²Ô¨¦


--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
Re: Has anyone looked at mixed-case passwords for TSO logon?

 

On 24/11/2020 16:56, Rene BRANDT via groups.io wrote:
Hi, I think user and password are always converted to capital letters
¸é±ð²Ô¨¦
_._,_._,_
Correct MVS only uses upper case letters every where other than EDit? etc.

To change this it would take a lot of effort for no good returns.

There again the IBM keyboard may well of only had upper case chars as it did not have a Shift key.

There again I am going back to when I started or a bit after (1963).

It is NOT just a case of changing TSO as there is a lot more sub-systems involved but it does let you enter lower case - however it will convert to UC.
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