Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
On 2/23/25 12:29, ssulser via groups.io wrote: Hi
Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much. It allows you to append control statements to the SYSLIN dataset. You might include statements to supply additional directives to the Link Editor, such as NAME, ORDER, etc.
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Re: Work with your Turnkey System like you are scientist from NASA!
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On 25 Feb 2025, at 22:03, Andre via groups.io <procritic@...> wrote:
Hello guys,
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Just wanted to share with you this publicly available NASA documents:
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Mission and data operations IBM 360: User's guide (1971)
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Mission and data operations IBM 360 user's guide (1973)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 1: System overview (1978)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 2: User's reference manual (1978)
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 1-12) 1980
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Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 13-23) 1980
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Earth Observations Division verison of the Laboratory for Applications of remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 4: Program listings
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If you like stuff like that, please search for "IBM" on this site and you will find dozens of programs for IBM 360/370 that NASA used in 60s-70s.
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Best wishes,
Andre
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
I'm definitely doing something wrong.? I'm trying to run 2.5 and can only re-ipl by doing a quiesce first.
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I can only see two terminals (0060,0061) and 0060 is used for the console.
Also, there's no printer defined and 00E/00F do not exist.? Do I need to gen additional hardware with HCD?
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Can I pick your brain off list?
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PS-I'm an MVS newbie!
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Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
//LKED.SYSIN DD * ?Statements to include additional programs into load module. /*
Include copies the member (subroutine) into the object module Library sets up the member (subroutine) to be separately?loaded during runtime.
Hi
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Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much.
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COBUCL procedure:
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//COBUCL ?PROC CPARM1='LOAD,SUPMAP', ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? CPARM2='SIZE=2048K,BUF=1024K', ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? ? LKEDPGM='IEWL' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//COB ?EXEC ?PGM=IKFCBL00,REGION=4096K, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? PARM='&CPARM1,&CPARM2' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT ?DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT4 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLIN DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(MOD,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA, ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? SPACE=(80,(500,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//LKED EXEC PGM=&LKEDPGM, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ?PARM='LIST,XREF,LET',COND=(5,LT,COB),REGION=96K?
//SYSLIN ?DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ?DD ?DDNAME=SYSIN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLMOD DD DDNAME=SYSLMOD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSLIB DD ? DSN=SYS1.COBLIB,DISP=SHR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(1024,(50,20)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 03:19 PM, <ssulser@...> wrote:
Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to?
It is a concatenation statement for SYSLIN, typically to provide linker statements which, for example, would allow you to link/edit your main object module (the one defined by SYSLIN) with some other object module(s) from an other library, or to name the final object module produced by the linker.
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If you don't need it, you can ignore it. This will generate a warning but the link/edit will proceed normally.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
Quick guess is that you do NOT have a procedure installed called shutsys
May be need to look for the correct way - I seem to recall I had to run a few procedures to close everything down before doing the final quiesce? or something similar but may be spelt differently - it was a few years ago :)
There is NOT a one process that does it all i,e similar to TK4 or 5 and I would have to reread the manual/book for it - a RED BOOK being but one.
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On 25/02/2025 20:48, Erics51 via groups.io wrote: Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 22.5 & 3.1) but can't shut them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS.
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR
I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Re: zOS shutdown in Hyperion
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 03:20 PM, Erics51 wrote:
Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system.
Have you tried S SHUTALL instead?
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 2.5 & 3.1) but can't shut any of them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below:-
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?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED ? ?
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Thanks
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Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
Performing a little searching, I found this link which shows the difficulty of ever getting that version of DLI to work on MVS 3.8:
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How to link mainprogram and subprogram in MVT Cobol
Hi
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Can somebody please explain, whats the purpose of the DD DDNAME=SYSIN statement here? What does it reference to? SYSIN was used as source input dataset for the COBOL compiler and SYSLIN is the object module. I don't understand that. Thank you very much.
?
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COBUCL procedure:
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//COBUCL ?PROC CPARM1='LOAD,SUPMAP', ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? CPARM2='SIZE=2048K,BUF=1024K', ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? ? LKEDPGM='IEWL' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//COB ?EXEC ?PGM=IKFCBL00,REGION=4096K, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ? PARM='&CPARM1,&CPARM2' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT ?DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT4 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(460,(700,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLIN DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(MOD,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA, ? ? ? ?
// ? ? ? ? ? ? SPACE=(80,(500,100)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//LKED EXEC PGM=&LKEDPGM, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ? ? ? ? ?PARM='LIST,XREF,LET',COND=(5,LT,COB),REGION=96K?
//SYSLIN ?DD DSN=&LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
// ?DD ?DDNAME=SYSIN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSLMOD DD DDNAME=SYSLMOD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSLIB DD ? DSN=SYS1.COBLIB,DISP=SHR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
//SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(1024,(50,20)) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Running Hyperion dev branch 4.8 on Apple M2 hardware and can successfully start z/OS (V2.2, 22.5 & 3.1) but can't shut them down cleanly.? Issuing S SHUTSYS fails on every system - see below
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?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? s shutsys ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?- 19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IRR812I PROFILE * (G) IN THE STARTED CLASS WAS USED ? ?
?- ? ? ? ? TO START SHUTSYS WITH JOBNAME SHUTSYS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?19.27.49 STC02511 ?IEFC452I SHUTSYS - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ?19.27.49 ? ? ? ? ? IEE122I START COMMAND JCL ERROR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I must be doing something wrong with. Any suggestions?
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Work with your Turnkey System like you are scientist from NASA!
Hello guys,
?
Just wanted to share with you this publicly available NASA documents:
?
Mission and data operations IBM 360: User's guide (1971)
?
Mission and data operations IBM 360 user's guide (1973)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 1: System overview (1978)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 2: User's reference manual (1978)
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 1-12) 1980
?
Earth Observations Division version of the Laboratory for Applications of Remote Sensing System (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 3: As-built documentation (sections 13-23) 1980
?
Earth Observations Division verison of the Laboratory for Applications of remote Sensing system (EOD-LARSYS)
user guide for the IBM 370/148. Volume 4: Program listings
?
If you like stuff like that, please search for "IBM" on this site and you will find dozens of programs for IBM 360/370 that NASA used in 60s-70s.
?
Best wishes,
Andre
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
FYI, to use Hyperion instead of the older Hercules
Set the version you need, it's not very clear in the readme that there are only 2 options !
--flavor=aethra or --flavor=sdl-hyperion
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:50, botongrui, aka τσ尘. via groups.io <botongrui@...> wrote:
There is a hercules helper script that does the hard work for you, Windows, Linux or Mac I don't have the link, but if you post in the hercules group I'm sure someone will help with it
Regards,
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:29, Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
If you hate to do it, why did you? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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Re: Jay Moseley's sysgen instructions
On 2/24/25 19:47, Jay Moseley via groups.io wrote: On 2/24/25 08:31, William Turner via groups.io wrote:
On 2/9/25 14:52, Andre via groups.io wrote:
Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from
Andre
_._,_._,_ Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't
realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the
build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many
thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and
complete instructions.
Two minor problems - isn't there always something :- <SNIP>
I am looking at a new update to the MVS 3.8j installation/SYSGEN
instructions in the not too distant future. Lots of small items need
updating. For instance, Rob Prins' RPF no longer requires a separate
profile, as it now uses the ISP Profile dataset that Wally Mclaughlin's
ISPF and Greg Price's REVIEW use. It does no harm for this allocation to
still be present if you later upgrade to the latest version of RPF, but
it just needs to be cleaned up. All but one of the changes I need to
make to the process are like that, just small changes that have
accumulated as various applications have been upgraded.
Jay
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Jay - Very many thanks for that detailed response. I understand the difficulties of keeping your instructions up to date considering the rate of change in this software. Believe me your efforts are really appreciated. I will modify my copy as per your response and re-do the sysgen (just for experience). Best Bill
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:59?PM S. L. Garwood via <slgarwood= [email protected]> wrote: I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
Hello, your post would fit better into the Hercules-390 group. This group is more for discussing running MVS in Hercules Am 24.02.2025 um 23:59 schrieb S. L. Garwood via groups.io <slgarwood@...>: I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. You're possibly looking at the wrong GitHub repository. As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. Problem is that Hercules has been forked a number of times and it's very easy to stumble those other forks which see rare or no active development. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it. Did you file it for the correct fork, SDL-Hercules-390? :wq! PoC
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
There is a hercules helper script that does the hard work for you, Windows, Linux or Mac I don't have the link, but if you post in the hercules group I'm sure someone will help with it
Regards,
On Monday, 24 February 2025 at 23:29, Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
If you hate to do it, why did you? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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Re: I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
If you hate to do it, why did you??? There is a Hercules group
for such things......
Dave G4UGM?
I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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I hate to post this since it is off topic but....
I am trying to find info on building Herc for macOS Sonoma on a 16 inch M2 ... the Github Herc info seems way out of date - latest RC version is 4.0.0 from 2016 or so. I can build it from source, just want to find any gotchas that may have been documented. I am only going to build an ARM64 version for MacOS. If someone wants a AMD64 version I suppose I could build it too.
As a general comment the documentation seems to have fallen on hard times lately. Way back when ( Hercules 3-13 or so) there was a coherent way to find info and good links in the web pages. I have hit some 404 pages trying to dig around. I just filed a git ticket about the Mac How To having Windows references and assumptions in it.
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Re: Jay Moseley's sysgen instructions
On 2/24/25 08:31, William Turner via groups.io wrote: On 2/9/25 14:52, Andre via groups.io wrote:
Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from
Andre
_._,_._,_ Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't
realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the
build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many
thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and
complete instructions.
Two minor problems - isn't there always something :-
In the ? "Performing a System Generation" stage, the "usermods.jcl" step
fails one update namely UMOD009 because member MS00100 was not found in
the dataset SYS1.USERMODS. I haven't been able to find the item anywhere
so am not sure what that will affect. Otherwise, the final 3390 build
went extremely well and no further problems.
The logon procs for the default userids HMVS01 and HMVS02 use REVINIT to
start RPF and/or REVIEW (not sure which) but it is missing or, at least,
not in the normal executable chain and I have not been able to find it.
Not a serious problem, I changed REVINIT to RPF in one userid logon and
RFE in the other so I have both ;-)
Best regards
Bill
Bill, The series of pages for installing MVS 3.8j from the IBM distribution tape images has not been getting complete updates terribly frequently. I did make a couple of revisions to the tape image containing the DASD User Modifications, which is what snagged you. Rob Prins fed me some updates which, one way or another, caused a couple of update cycles to the het tape image, before we got it settled. As I recall, we went from VOLSER J90009 (Jim Morrison's original designation) to the current J90012. At that time, I simply put some comments wherever the name of the tape image and VOLSER were mentioned, as I didn't have time immediately to go through the entire installation and capture new screen shots wherever the tape VOLSER was displayed. Later I did update all the captures and page text during June, 2024, although even that was not a complete overhaul. The cover letter and ZAPs for MS00100 are loaded from tape (usermods.het, tape dataset #2, SMP.SMPPTFIN) in the second step of job USERMODS (step name PDSLOAD, program executed is PDSLOAD). From the SYSOUT from the last SYSGEN I did (for the system I currently run each day): ./ ADD NAME=JLM0005 MEMBER JLM0005 ADDED (20 RECORDS) ./ ADD NAME=MS00100 MEMBER MS00100 ADDED (70 RECORDS) <--- ./ ADD NAME=M096220 MEMBER M096220 ADDED (89 RECORDS) Neither RPF or REVINIT are installed until the page following the System Generation instructions. REVINIT is installed as a part of Greg Price's REVIEW package. I suppose to eliminate the possibility of seeing an error from occurring during a logon prior to completing the customization (REVIEW is part of the TSO applications package added from the het image tsoaps.het), I can remove the REVINIT line from the logon procedure and have the installation job for REVIEW add it at the same time REVIEW is installed. I already have a Batch TSO job to edit the REVINIT add a VOLUME parameter to the ISP Profile dataset allocation, and that could easily be inserted in that step (STEP14 of job MVS03). I am looking at a new update to the MVS 3.8j installation/SYSGEN instructions in the not too distant future. Lots of small items need updating. For instance, Rob Prins' RPF no longer requires a separate profile, as it now uses the ISP Profile dataset that Wally Mclaughlin's ISPF and Greg Price's REVIEW use. It does no harm for this allocation to still be present if you later upgrade to the latest version of RPF, but it just needs to be cleaned up. All but one of the changes I need to make to the process are like that, just small changes that have accumulated as various applications have been upgraded. Jay
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