Hi Mark,
You missed the same typo on page 16.
I have uploaded a new version of the manual.
You find the manual on
Cheers,
Rob
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Hi JJ, can you tell me where to find DL/I to download? Marcel
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Op 24-12-2023 22:00 CET schreef John James <johnjamesmain@...>:
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Following on from my post dated December 13th, I had a spare hour this evening, and I downloaded the "The DL/I" system (AKA, I believe, IMS/360); I did the stage 1 and stage 2 sysgen to install the DB-only system on TK4-, and everything appears to have gone well. Of course, I have no idea whether it's going to work OK because I don't have an IMS DB application that I can run to test it.
So, a question: does anyone out there have a sample IMS DB application that I could get hold of, or do you know where I can find one (perhaps some very old IMS/360 manual or something?). It would have to be not only the programs themselves, but also the control blocks and some data to load a DL/I database.
If I can find one then I'll see whether it will run on MVS.
JJ
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Andre, Kevin, and everyone:
When IMS/360 first came out, there was no "IMS/DB" -- there was only the batch DL/1 (IMS/DB) component... the IMS/DB/DC (data communications) came later, after IMS had transitioned from a TYPE II program to a full-fledged IBM "program product."? ?(APL\360, CICS and IMS were, IIRC, the first three IBM software products to be packaged and licensed as "program products.")
We now have INTERCOMM, that can act as an IMS/DC or CICS replacement, and has a "database interface" so that it could be made to work with DL/1, if we can get that going.? :-)? ? INTERCOMM is a part of the MVS-TK5 distribution.? ?INTERCOMM was a popular alternative to CICS in the early days.
You must run the DL/1 job in a V=R (ADDRSPC=REAL) address space, because OSAM used channel end appendages, since that old version of DL/1 was meant for MVT ... V=R gives you much closer compatibility with MVT with regard to things like use of channel programs and channel end appendages, etc.
Also, it should not be a problem to run the DL/1 in a V=R region, while INTERCOMM is running in a normal V=V region, as the INTERCOMM database interface is designed to work with separate jobs and provides an SVC to provide for inter-region communications.
Hope that helps,
Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
To Kevin Monceaux,
Please see third reply in this thread.
There is link to restored tape with source code library dataset.
Best wishes,
Andre
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Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
JJ, On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 01:00:20PM -0800, John James wrote: Following on from my post dated December 13th, I had a spare hour this
evening, and I downloaded the "The DL/I" system (AKA, I believe, IMS/360);
I did the stage 1 and stage 2 sysgen to install the DB-only system on
TK4-, and everything appears to have gone well. Of course, I have no idea
whether it's going to work OK because I don't have an IMS DB application
that I can run to test it. It don't think it will work, unless someone has found a way to work around the OSAM appendage issue. If I remember correctly, the OSAM appendage is incompatible with MVS, and the source code library on the tape is incomplete. So, a question: does anyone out there have a sample IMS DB application
that I could get hold of, or do you know where I can find one (perhaps
some very old IMS/360 manual or something?). It would have to be not only
the programs themselves, but also the control blocks and some data to load
a DL/I database. I managed to get it running on MVT many moons ago. Unfortunately I put it aside for too many years, didn't make adequate notes, and attempts to get it running again on MVT have been less than successful. It's been a few years since I last tried. Maybe I should give it another shot one of these years. The first time around, I did create a very simple contact address/phone number database. I took a list of given names, surnames, street names, etc., and used them to generate random data to insert into the database. The jobs I used, containing the programs, random data, etc., can be found at: -- Kevin Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
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Re: DLI loading on Tk4 and MVSCE?
Following on from my post dated December 13th, I had a spare hour this evening, and I downloaded the "The DL/I" system (AKA, I believe, IMS/360); I did the stage 1 and stage 2 sysgen to install the DB-only system on TK4-, and everything appears to have gone well. Of course, I have no idea whether it's going to work OK because I don't have an IMS DB application that I can run to test it.
So, a question: does anyone out there have a sample IMS DB application that I could get hold of, or do you know where I can find one (perhaps some very old IMS/360 manual or something?). It would have to be not only the programs themselves, but also the control blocks and some data to load a DL/I database.
If I can find one then I'll see whether it will run on MVS.
JJ
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Re: MVS 3.8j TK4-/TK5 "Standard" group names for UNIT=
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 05:45 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL (sysgen01) seems to be the location, per jay ,moseley's instructions.
In MVS TK5 refer to SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL(IOGEN) Cheers, Rob
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:57:49 +0000 (UTC), "Doug Wegscheid" <dwegscheid@...> wrote: Also, additional names can be defined by the DYNAMASK utility,
usually gets its input from sys1.parmlib(EDT00). Out of curiosity, once edited that member EDT00 wat is the next step for it to be recognized? Just a reboot? TIA. Roxo -- ---------------- Non luctari, ludare -------------------+ WYSIWYG Fernando M. Roxo da Motta <mvs@...> | Editor? Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.| VI !! PU5RXO | PX5Q6048 | I see text, ------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!
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Um,?the authors names are on the first page of the manual…..
On Saturday, December 23, 2023, 1:49 PM, mspitz@... wrote: Hi all,
Not sure who manages/updates the TK5-Introduction-and-User-Manual, but Step 13 on page 17, says to run "S RAFKUSER after updating SYS1.SECURE.CNTL.? The correct procedure name is RAKFUSER.
?- Mark
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Hi all,
Not sure who manages/updates the TK5-Introduction-and-User-Manual, but Step 13 on page 17, says to run "S RAFKUSER after updating SYS1.SECURE.CNTL.? The correct procedure name is RAKFUSER.
?- Mark
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Re: MVS 3.8j TK4-/TK5 "Standard" group names for UNIT=
I believe Jay has it as a separate download. I have a Jay based build with it installed.
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On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 4:37 AM, cjar1950 via groups.io <cjar1950@...> wrote: Rene, I also find it on TK3, TK3UPD and TK4.. but not on Jay's based builds. Chris -- < cjar1950@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 02:29:16 -0800 搁别苍é Ferland < ferland.rene@...> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 02:07 AM, Rene BRANDT wrote: > > > > > May you add more informations ? > > IKJ56500I COMMAND UNITS NOT FOUND > > That command is available on TK4- (Update 8) and TK5 (Update 2), the systems mentioned in the original post. > It is not a standard TSO command, so it may not be available on other distributions (Jay's sysgen or MVS/CE). > > Cheers, > > Rene FERLAND, Montreal > > > > >
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Rene, I also find it on TK3, TK3UPD and TK4.. but not on Jay's based builds. Chris -- <cjar1950@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 02:29:16 -0800 搁别苍é Ferland <ferland.rene@...> wrote: On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 02:07 AM, Rene BRANDT wrote:
May you add more informations ?
IKJ56500I COMMAND UNITS NOT FOUND
That command is available on TK4- (Update 8) and TK5 (Update 2), the systems mentioned in the original post.
It is not a standard TSO command, so it may not be available on other distributions (Jay's sysgen or MVS/CE).
Cheers,
Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 02:07 AM, Rene BRANDT wrote:
May you add more informations ?
IKJ56500I COMMAND UNITS NOT FOUND
That command is available on TK4- (Update 8) and TK5 (Update 2), the systems mentioned in the original post. It is not a standard TSO command, so it may not be available on other distributions (Jay's sysgen or MVS/CE). Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Hi 搁别苍é,
May you add more informations ?
IKJ56500I COMMAND UNITS NOT FOUND
Thanks,
搁别苍é
Le samedi 23 décembre 2023 à 03:03:51 UTC+1, 搁别苍é Ferland <ferland.rene@...> a écrit :
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 05:30 PM, Mark A. Stevens wrote: Where do I look to find the group names that are used in the TK4- and TK5 distributions? The TSO command UNITS will display current group names with their members. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 07:45 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL (sysgen01)
In the version of TK4- Update 8, which I'm using, before I move to TK5 Update 2, I found them in SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL(IOGEN) # SYSDA=DISK=SYSSQ is all DASD # PAGE is 160-16F, 260-26F, 360-36F # SORT is 130-13F, 230-23F, 330-33F # WORK is 140-14F Thanks for the pointer. It got me where I needed to go. ?... Mark S.
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 05:30 PM, Mark A. Stevens wrote:
Where do I look to find the group names that are used in the TK4- and TK5 distributions?
The TSO command UNITS will display current group names with their members. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Also, additional names can be defined by the DYNAMASK utility, usually gets its input from sys1.parmlib(EDT00).
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 7:46 PM, Mike Schwab <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote: It is part of site installation.
SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL (sysgen01) seems to be the location, per jay ,moseley's instructions.
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 7:30?PM Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: I know of UNIT=TAPE, or UNIT=3350, but DASD group names elude me. Over the years I've seen SYSDA, WORK, DASD, and others.
Where do I look to find the group names that are used in the TK4- and TK5 distributions?
Thanks!
?... Mark S.
-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: MVS 3.8j TK4-/TK5 "Standard" group names for UNIT=
It is part of site installation.
SYS1.SYSGEN.CNTL (sysgen01) seems to be the location, per jay ,moseley's instructions.
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 7:30?PM Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: I know of UNIT=TAPE, or UNIT=3350, but DASD group names elude me. Over the years I've seen SYSDA, WORK, DASD, and others.
Where do I look to find the group names that are used in the TK4- and TK5 distributions?
Thanks!
?... Mark S.
-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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MVS 3.8j TK4-/TK5 "Standard" group names for UNIT=
I know of UNIT=TAPE, or UNIT=3350, but DASD group names elude me. Over the years I've seen SYSDA, WORK, DASD, and others.
Where do I look to find the group names that are used in the TK4- and TK5 distributions?
Thanks!
?... Mark S.
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Hello!
To quote, :"I agree!". At first I would collect the source code for
Hercules and work out how to build it to work inside my Slackware
Linux setup. For a while earlier, during a specific sequence of events
for MVS's quiet neighbor, VM, I'd grab specific special RPM builds and
use the Slackware tool rpm2tgz and then install that Slackware
package. A later while past I'd manage to find one enthusiast's
Slackware build script for a package and then use that. With the
advent of WSL on this newer and stranger version of Windows, it's a
little more difficult but just as interesting.
Now I'm more of a hardware person, with Hercules being a very
effective emulator, I've focused on the other world that of software.
Which brings me to my next question, has anyone managed to bring up
the latest MVS arrangement under a known working VM one?
Mascots are not MVS people.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:13?PM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
With that said, however...when I was leading the project in the 2000 era, I shipped .rpm binary Linux packages along with Windows and Mac binaries, and one goal for Aethra is to do the same (with .deb packages as well).
But it's always best to build for Linux on your own machine.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 10:11 Harold Grovesteen <h.grovsteen@...> wrote:
While I did not entirely follow the email details concerning Hercules
and TK5, but felt compelled to share this existing perspective.
It has been the position of the Hercules developers for some time that
Hercules would be delivered for Linux and other *NIX platforms in
source form only and Hercules would be _built_ on the platform on which
it is to run.
Delivering a pre-built Linux executable of Hercules is in direct
opposition of that position. (Buyer and seller beware.)
This does not apply to Windows. Windows, on the other hand, is
expected to be delivered to users as a pre-built executable. (Beware
of building it.)
Harold Grovesteen
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Rob Prins
搁别苍é Ferland
Mark A. Stevens