Oh... thanks for that!
I was able to see that menu line, now it's time to check if I'm able to begin a file transfer :)

On 08.14.2022 12:02, doscar.sole@... wrote:

I just installed IND$FILE on my MVS (all using Jay Moseley tutorial),
and now I have access to IND$FILE on my MVS, but as I'm using c3270
instead of x3270 (that's terminal version of x3270), I don't see any
"visual" menu on which start the file transfer so I was wondering if
any of you had the same situation and knows how to start a file
transfer (MVS -> Linux) on c3270.

In c3270, the escape key is Ctrl-]. If you press that, you'll get a
"c3270>" prompt, at which you can type "transfer" to begin a transfer.
It will then prompt you for the various parameters.

Also, with c3270, if you make your terminal window 2 lines taller than
it needs to be for the 3270 model you're emulating, you'll get a status
line at the bottom and a menu bar at the top. For example, if you make
your terminal window 26 lines tall instead of 24 lines tall, you'll get
the menu bar. If mouse reporting is working in your terminal, you'll
be able to click on the File menu and choose File Transfer from that.

Good luck!

-Matthew

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Hello:
I just installed IND$FILE on my MVS (all using Jay Moseley tutorial), and now I have access to IND$FILE on my MVS, but as I'm using c3270 instead of x3270 (that's terminal version of x3270), I don't see any "visual" menu on which start the file transfer so I was wondering if any of you had the same situation and knows how to start a file transfer (MVS -> Linux) on c3270.

Thanks in advance!

NJE38 on MVS 3.8J to VM/370 RSCS works perfectly, if you meet certain criteria.? You need:

- the Peter Coghlan RSCS modifications that allow the old RSCS on VM/370 to communicate using NJE protocols.? I think these are already applied to the RSCS on VM/CE.? If that's true, that RSCS could be copied off of VM/CE to a tape image and brought to your own VM/370 system.
- a version of Hercules or Hyperion that supports the TCPNJE driver.? Hercules 3.13 has this, as do recent SDL Hyperion releases (such as 4.2 and above).
- You need to use the TCPNJE capable Hercules/Hyperion on both the VM system, and for the MVS system.
- MVS itself needs nothing if you are using a TK4 version, other than NJE38 software itself.

The NJE38 Installation and Usage Guide contains an example of the setup for MVS-to-VM, see Appendix A.? It shows you the TCPNJE values in the respective configuration files, and the NJE38 settings and the RSCS settings.

Regards,
Bob

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 01:14 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

I don’t know where we are with the RSCS in VM/370 but the base product only acts as a host.

I was able to establish a SML link between VM/370 CE V1 R1.2 and ?MVS3.8J (TK4- Update 8). From CMSUSER, I can punch a job with the proper tag, it reaches MVS3.8J and is being executed. Problems arise when JES2 tries to send stuff back to VM/370. The initial?acknowledgement, being just 5 records long, does get back to VM/370 and RSCS prints it as it should. However, the job output itself, having several hundred records, quickly "jam" the line and the whole link is screwed. Could it be a buffer/speed problem in DMTSML and/or Hercules 2703 emulation? I don't know and it is way out of my expertise anyway. What a pity, it's almost working...

?

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal

P.S. -- Indeed, the NPT link works fine, I can start one, connect Dutch Owen RJE80 program to it, and everything runs smoothly.

?"Help me... help you. Help me, help you." — Jerry Maguire (1996)

Think about if you received the email you sent. We have?never seen your systems.

Start by spelling out EXACTLY what you running. What version/edition of:

* Hercules (on both sides)
*?VM/370
* MVS?
* RSCS?
* NJE38

What protocol are you trying to use RJE (host & remote?? Which is the host?), peer-to-peer (NJE?)

How did you connect the two systems? CTC over TCP/IP? BSC over TCP/IP? CTC via MVS under VM? The Psychic Network?

-ahd-

Tom,

I do not believe that VM370 6PExt is PD. It relies on a specific
modified version of Hyperion.

A hint is that when you ipl VM370 6PExt, bring up RSCS according to your
instructions, and login to the correct version of RSCS, you then need to
tell RSCS to "START nodeid".

Chris
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:46:03 -0700
"Tom Chandler" <tchandler48@...> wrote:

I have up and running MVS38j and VM370 6PExt and appear to be working
correctly.? Next I want to connect VM370 to MVS38j so the VM370 system
could send jobs and get prints back.

I have studied the NJE38 manual, but it only shows MVS TO MVS.

I have configured both NJE38 and VM370 for my configuration( node names, ports etc)
When I bring up NJE38 on MVS, it stats waiting for connection.? I start the
RSCS on VM370 and it connects to MVS and on both systems, it shows the line
connected.? I get a BPbuffer size request sent from MVS to VM370 and that appears
to be good.? However I can not pass any traffic in either direction.? So I guess I missed
something, but I can not find any hints in any documentation.

Anyone tried and made this type of connection??

Thank You
Tom c

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Didn’t they use VS1 under vm370 to do the rscs part?

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I have up and running MVS38j and VM370 6PExt and appear to be working
correctly.? Next I want to connect VM370 to MVS38j so the VM370 system
could send jobs and get prints back.

I have studied the NJE38 manual, but it only shows MVS TO MVS.

I have configured both NJE38 and VM370 for my configuration( node names, ports etc)
When I bring up NJE38 on MVS, it stats waiting for connection.? I start the
RSCS on VM370 and it connects to MVS and on both systems, it shows the line
connected.? I get a BPbuffer size request sent from MVS to VM370 and that appears
to be good.? However I can not pass any traffic in either direction.? So I guess I missed
something, but I can not find any hints in any documentation.

Anyone tried and made this type of connection??

Thank You
Tom c

_._,_._,_

We ran a Hasp workstation.? Not sure if there's an equivalent, or the tool referenced in the later NJ38 is equal or superior.

You would have to couple a comms channel (270x sync of some sort) between the machines, and compile the Hasp workstation to run as a VM guest.

I'd like to do that, as our data center had the Hasp workstation on a 360/50 under MVT21 submitting and receiving jobs, print and punch from the other universities VS/1 on a 370/148.? We could still submit jobs for the Watfiv system, and also jobs for local MVT.

We ran Watfiv for Fortran classes and it was run with special initiator for the system thru HASP.

Anyway, hope you will share back what you end up with.

thanks
Jim

I have up and running MVS38j and VM370 6PExt and appear to be working
correctly.? Next I want to connect VM370 to MVS38j so the VM370 system
could send jobs and get prints back.

I have studied the NJE38 manual, but it only shows MVS TO MVS.

I have configured both NJE38 and VM370 for my configuration( node names, ports etc)
When I bring up NJE38 on MVS, it stats waiting for connection.? I start the
RSCS on VM370 and it connects to MVS and on both systems, it shows the line
connected.? I get a BPbuffer size request sent from MVS to VM370 and that appears
to be good.? However I can not pass any traffic in either direction.? So I guess I missed
something, but I can not find any hints in any documentation.

Anyone tried and made this type of connection??

Thank You
Tom c

I am trying to connect MVS38j via nje38 to VM370 via RSCS.? No joy.

Has any be able to do this and if so any tips.

thank
/tc

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 03:25 AM, Patrik Schindler wrote:

Am 31.07.2022 um 02:23 schrieb Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...>:

None of these date comments apply to the original post; as shown at the beginning of the thread, LDCODAY explicitly spells out both the Day of the Week and the Month to reduce operator errors.

I feel the discussion deteriorated somewhat to gentle teasing having left the occasional digression discussions sometimes take. Maybe don't be too serious about that. ;-)

The point I was trying make in my last comment (and in general) is that native MVS date processing is "in character" for it — in other words, utterly unfriendly!? :-)

This conversation wandered off the reservation a LONG time ago. It's hard to be serious about MVS 3.8 in general, it often feels closer to OS/MVT w/HASP II than to MVS/SP 370 (and beyond) with NJE and TCP/IP.

-ahd-

p.s. Personally, during my IBM era (thru ~1997), I made the most money working on networked MVS/ESA, networking ES/9000 to a Thinking Machines CM5 [ranked in the top 10 in the world at the time] for American Express ...? from two time zones away. I mostly did my work via a VM/ESA machine from an OS/2 desktop.? (I liked XEDIT, and at the time KEDIT, far more than ISPF.)??

(The OS/2 was in part because desktop IT refused to touch it, which is how I wanted it.)

Both TMC and the vendor of the custom network hardware we used went bankrupt on us. For round two we went pure IBM.

Hello Drew,

Am 31.07.2022 um 02:23 schrieb Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...>:

None of these date comments apply to the original post; as shown at the beginning of the thread, LDCODAY explicitly spells out both the Day of the Week and the Month to reduce operator errors.

I feel the discussion deteriorated somewhat to gentle teasing having left the occasional digression discussions sometimes take. Maybe don't be too serious about that. ;-)

:wq! PoC

I sometimes use the yyyy-mm-dd, for example that is my external date stamp for MVS hardcopy log.??

None of these date comments apply to the original post; as shown at the beginning of the thread, LDCODAY explicitly spells out both the Day of the Week and the Month to reduce operator errors.

-ahd-

Marco Antoniotti wrote:

[...]

Just to make it more interesting, many years ago, I switched
to "Japanese" date formats (I don't know whether they are
actually Japanese, but I remember reading so somewhere), that
is YYYYMMDD. They sort very well well.

The international (world over) standard (or at least it's SUPPOSED to be!) is ISO 8601, which is indeed YYYY-MM-DD, was chosen for precisely that reason: easy sorting:

*

I've been personally using that format for many, many years now.

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...

There is a international standard for such matters when run on *.nix and Windows.

Now I have forgotten exactly for Windows but for Linux it is the Locate defaults set for the system in use and here for me and in the UK it is :

--
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_GB
LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_SOURCED=1
LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
--

Many of these are hardly original, but you should get the point.

Many of my programs that need such written? in Cobol have the following

In working storage:

*>
?01? WS-Locale?????????????????????????? pic x(16)???? value spaces.
?01? WS-Local-Time-Zone????????????????? pic 9???????? value 3.
*>
*> Sets WS-Local-Time-Zone ^~^ to one of these 88 value's according to your local requirements
*> NOTE Environment var. LC_TIME is checked for "en_GB" for UK (1) and "en_US" for USA (2)
*>?? at start of program. For any other, you can add yours if different but let the author know,
*>???? so it can be added to the master sources
*>
*>??? Note that 'implies' does NOT mean the program does anything e.g., changes page sizing in the report.
*>
???? 88? LTZ-Unix????????????????????????????????????? value 3.
???? 88? LTZ-USA?????????????????????????????????????? value 2.
???? 88? LTZ-UK??????????????????????????????????????? value 1.


In procedure division it is :

???? accept?? WS-Locale???? from Environment "LC_TIME".
???? if?????? WS-Locale (1:5) = "en_GB"
????????????? set LTZ-UK? to true
???? else if? WS-Locale (1:5) = "en_US"
????????????? set LTZ-USA to true
???? end-if.


Where the date needs to be processed and usually for reports/printing etc I just do a if test on
WS-Local-Time-Zone?? for the values 1, 2 and 3 (as default) and change the formatting accordingly.

The above form of coding is also used for other Languages one way or another.
I like to keep to the KISS principal as much as possible as it has served well over the last 60 years of programming, testing, management et al.
The kit has changed but not much else really.

Mainframe is a similar nature but not the same, as it takes the settings from within the O/S as set by a sysadmin and it is the same for all users but say for Linux can be changed for individual users for specific purposes while running an application after which it goes back to the site default.

The only light relief is with time as then it depends on, if I am using Local time or GMT, i.e., aviation applications use GMT for all and say accounting and most others? it is all Local.

Again for m/f's, this setting is totally down to the site and often is local BUT if it is an international company where the data is moved between countries it is usually GMT - This can be different for some businesses depending on requirements, so not a totally hard and fast rule.

Note the same applies to sites using micro based systems.


Hope it helps and if I am trying to teach you to suck eggs, just ignore this missive.

Vince