Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Mark, I wonder if there were more DEC systems with PIP than CPM systems. That is computers delivered. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Waterbury
Sent: 28 June 2020 00:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)? Joe,
Where do you think CP/M got "PIP" from??? DEC ... OS/8, TOPS-10, RSTS/11, etc., etc.
Cheers,
Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/27/20 6:42 PM, Doug Wegscheid
wrote:
well, heck, cats have an
attitude about everything!
I am not as in tune to my
overlords as you seem to be. Can you elaborate as to how my
master would prefer VM to MVS? (Take your time, I'm sure I'll
enjoy it).
...and a hint as to the ideal
CID (cat interface device) would be helpful, so as to get his
claws out of my leg...
I just sent a note about to get the cat to give you personal
space.? The Mist of Doom works, trust me.? :-)
As for the rest, the Kenmore Secret Lab (AKA the Kitten Farm
West) has cats with weekly photo shoots (follow me on FB),
Computer Literate Bears, and an Ether Bunny.? We've got 30 years
of back story, explaining would not fit in an email.?
-ahd-
--
Drew Derbyshire
"We will create new Hiroshimas and Nagasakis. I will not hesitate to
use nuclear weapons . . . You will get your own Chernobyl in Germany."
-- Vladimir Zhirinovsky
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Hello! Suffice to say they are smarter than we are. And are we running MVS as a guest of VM out there? I certainly hope so. As for the rest? It depends. Incidentally they own the world, and allow the elephants to make use of it. Now one of my group is insisting that we return to topic. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 9:43 PM Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...> wrote:
well, heck, cats have an attitude about everything!
I am not as in tune to my overlords as you seem to be. Can you elaborate as to how my master would prefer VM to MVS? (Take your time, I'm sure I'll enjoy it).
...and a hint as to the ideal CID (cat interface device) would be helpful, so as to get his claws out of my leg...
On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 9:33:52 PM EDT, Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:
On 6/27/20 6:26 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:
This is MVS mailing list, not VM. Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.
oh, *please* explain... One word: Cattitude
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And this space was sold and bought by Lando Calrissian twice. In one day.
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/27/20 6:24 PM, Doug Wegscheid
wrote:
"cat speech"?
I'm with you, brother. Sheltering in place with my feline
overlords is causing me to learn some new language skills...
<<Dammit Louie, I'll feed you as soon as you get your claws
out of my leg>>
_._,_._,
"I wanna introduce you to a personal friend of mine. This is 24
ounce Mist of Doom.? Has both stream mode for distance and spray
mode for that close up blunderbuss effect."
With a little conditioning, when it appears a feline overlord
takes one look and departs without you having to touch the
trigger.? This house has 10 of them, including one within reach as
I type.
-ahd-
p.s. I should point this conversation has not just over gone over
the edge, after the usual 3 second delay we've made a dust cloud
on the canyon floor.? My Hercules host machine, a Raspberry Pi 4,
is in fact named wile-e-coyote.
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Why is it that every time someone goes off on a suicide mission,
they take *my* ship?" -- Beka Valentine (Andromeda)
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
well, heck, cats have an attitude about everything!
I am not as in tune to my overlords as you seem to be. Can you elaborate as to how my master would prefer VM to MVS? (Take your time, I'm sure I'll enjoy it).
...and a hint as to the ideal CID (cat interface device) would be helpful, so as to get his claws out of my leg...
On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 9:33:52 PM EDT, Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:
On 6/27/20 6:26 PM, Doug Wegscheid
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:
This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be
caught dead using MVS.
oh, *please* explain...
One word: Cattitude
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Concrete Shoes, Cyanide, TNT! | Contracts, neck ties, HIGH VOLTAGE!
Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap | Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap . . ."
-- AC/DC
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/27/20 6:26 PM, Doug Wegscheid
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:
This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be
caught dead using MVS.
oh, *please* explain...
One word: Cattitude
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Concrete Shoes, Cyanide, TNT! | Contracts, neck ties, HIGH VOLTAGE!
Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap | Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap . . ."
-- AC/DC
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Anyone actually have JRP printing files?? I've got the class (A) and routing (RMT1) matching, and I changed the printer devices in the JRP configuration from LCLC0x to CUUC0x (to match VTAM says the devices are).
The printer does NOT appear bound to VTAM (which I suppose depends on when it connects to it). I'm running out of ideas.
Suggestions?
-ahd-
p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Sometimes I'm so sweet even I can't stand it." -- Dame Julie Andrews
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:
This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.
oh, *please* explain...
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
"cat speech"?
I'm with you, brother. Sheltering in place with my feline overlords is causing me to learn some new language skills...
<<Dammit Louie, I'll feed you as soon as you get your claws out of my leg>>
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/27/20 3:27 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: If you wait a week I can even present it in basic Cat speech as well. This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be caught dead using MVS. (May be that's why my status is still probationary after 16 years of being a cat valet -- I know OS too well.) -ahd- -- Drew Derbyshire Assistant Cat Valet (Probationary) "Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian, and it is all organized by the Swiss. Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, the police German, and it's all organized by the Italians." -- Elaine Kirchner
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Joe,
Where do you think CP/M got "PIP" from??? DEC ... OS/8, TOPS-10, RSTS/11, etc., etc.
Cheers,
Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Hello! I agree with everything so far, but that especially. But, ah, you want that in basic American, Yiddish or in Klingonese? If you wait a week I can even present it in basic Cat speech as well. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:13 AM Theodore M Rolle Jr <stercor@...> wrote:
The only language common to all programmers is profanity.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 00:47 Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
Jay got me what I was looking for - but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college. My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid. RSTS was the OS I believe.
Ancient history now, but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran. Once sure thing, the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.
Dave
?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote:
If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.
Dennis
On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
> On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
>> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
>> to snarf it.
>>
>> The version
>>
>> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
>> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
>>
>> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
>> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
>>
>> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
>> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
>> issues of having loads of disk space.
>>
> Jim,
>
> I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
> and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
> CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
> SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
> the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
> labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
>
> I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
> may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
> 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
>
> I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
> Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
> original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
> up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
> this earlier version.
>
>
> 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
>
> The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
> the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
> guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
> extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
> unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
> there!
>
> Jay
--
Dennis
And all of this belongs to the Republic, and the Alliance to Restore it. Plus an extra effort for the Wookiees.
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Hey, no one is arguing.... That's a good thread in this day and age....
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:02 PM, Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
I really had no intention of creating a huge thread about this….? Sorry.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they
still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."?
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Drew Derbyshire
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/27/20 12:02 PM, Dave Trainor
wrote:
I really had no intention of creating a
huge thread about this….? Sorry.
?
Is there any other kind on this list? :-)
--
Drew Derbyshire
Who me? I just wander from room to room.
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
I really had no intention of creating a huge thread about this….? Sorry.
?
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they
still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."?
--
Drew Derbyshire
?
"Sad, really, isn't it?? People spend all their time making nice things
and other people come along and break them."
?????????????????????????? -- Dr. Who?, "The Enemy of the World:3"
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote:
I remember using PIP.
(PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move
files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to
have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move
platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc
etc
"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."?
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Sad, really, isn't it? People spend all their time making nice things
and other people come along and break them."
-- Dr. Who?, "The Enemy of the World:3"
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Sorry for the miscommunication.
Joe
Joe, OK but to me that’s not what you wrote. To me “PIP is CPM” implies exclusivity. Dave ? ? Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M. ? Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Joe, OK but to me that’s not what you wrote. To me “PIP is CPM” implies exclusivity. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 27 June 2020 15:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)? Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M. ? Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
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Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M.
Joe
Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ? ? Dave ?
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Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
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