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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

The only language common to all programmers is profanity.


On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 00:47 Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Jay got me what I was looking for -? but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college.? My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid.? RSTS was the OS I believe.?
Ancient history now,? but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran.? Once sure thing,? the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......? ?
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.

Dave


?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote:

? ? If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
? ? files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
? ? Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.

? ? Dennis

? ? On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
? ? > On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
? ? >> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
? ? >> to snarf it.
? ? >>
? ? >> The version
? ? >>
? ? >> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
? ? >> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
? ? >>
? ? >> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
? ? >> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
? ? >>
? ? >> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
? ? >> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
? ? >> issues of having loads of disk space.
? ? >>
? ? >
? ? > Jim,
? ? >
? ? > I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
? ? > and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
? ? > CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
? ? > (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
? ? > the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
? ? > labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
? ? >
? ? > I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
? ? > may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
? ? > 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
? ? >
? ? > I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
? ? > Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
? ? > original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
? ? > up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
? ? > this earlier version.
? ? >
? ? >
? ? > 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
? ? >
? ? > The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
? ? > the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
? ? > guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
? ? > extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
? ? > unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
? ? > there!
? ? >
? ? > Jay
? ? >
? ? >
? ? >

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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Jay got me what I was looking for - but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college. My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid. RSTS was the OS I believe.
Ancient history now, but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran. Once sure thing, the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.

Dave


?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote:

If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.

Dennis

On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
> On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
>> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
>> to snarf it.
>>
>> The version
>>
>> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
>> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
>>
>> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
>> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
>>
>> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
>> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
>> issues of having loads of disk space.
>>
>
> Jim,
>
> I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
> and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
> CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
> SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
> the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
> labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
>
> I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
> may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
> 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
>
> I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
> Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
> original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
> up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
> this earlier version.
>
>
> 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
>
> The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
> the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
> guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
> extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
> unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
> there!
>
> Jay
>
>
>

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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.

Dennis

On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.

The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All of the files seem to have that date stamp.

The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.

I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the issues of having loads of disk space.
Jim,

I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.

I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.

I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab this earlier version.


592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz

The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up there!

Jay

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Dennis
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Awesome, Jay.? Thanks!? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.
The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.? All of the files seem to have that date stamp.
The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online.? If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.? One of the issues of having loads of disk space.
Jim,

I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.

I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.

I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab this earlier version.


592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz

The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up there!

Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Awesome, Jay. Thanks! Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.

The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip. All of the files seem to have that date stamp.

The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.

I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it. One of the issues of having loads of disk space.

Jim

On 6/26/20 4:48 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
On 6/26/20 4:37 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Drew mentioned
?> Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it doesn't teach.

I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days.? So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes.

There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below.? It's 563 MB:

ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip
Jim,
I have hosted a version of Volker's Turnkey #3, the version from 2003 on my site for a long time:
I also have a 2002 edition of #3 and a 2001 edition of #2 that I keep around.
Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

On 6/26/20 4:37 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Drew mentioned
> Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it
doesn't teach.
I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days.? So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes.
There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below.? It's 563 MB:

ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip
Jim,

I have hosted a version of Volker's Turnkey #3, the version from 2003 on my site for a long time:

I also have a 2002 edition of #3 and a 2001 edition of #2 that I keep around.

Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Drew mentioned
Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it
doesn't teach.

I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days. So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes.

There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below. It's 563 MB:

ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip

I've sent an email off to Phil (halfmeg) to see what he has from TKSU1, ..., TK3UPD. My collection is a bit less complete for those. In the mean time I've uploaded mostly URLs to the turnkey-mvs forum files section TK3-archive.

I've also posted a few URLs (GIO doesn't seem to have a Links offering) for some of the TK3 era participants; I apologize to anyone I've missed and if they will let me know I will add them or they can add themselves. I started with the majors: Volker Bandke, Jay Moseley, & Greg Price. For some strange reason Kevin Leonard doesn't have his updates to the DASDMODs online, or at least that I could find. Huh, I guess I'll add my CBT page as well. Forgot. D'oh.

I've grabbed the bsp38j.zip, and will have a look at it. It may have some stuff I've previously missed. Thanks for uploading it.

Jim


On 6/26/20 3:48 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
Dave,
I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes.
The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.
Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Got the file no problem, thank you Jay. I will work on this after dinner.

?On 6/26/20, 4:49 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote:

Dave,

I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of
material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a
reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that
you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie
program and the fortunes.

The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.

Jay




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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Dave,

I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes.

The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.

Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Hey that would be perfect. Thank you for the offer.

Dave

?On 6/26/20, 4:41 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote:

On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
> So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining…….
>
> I have the JCL to install FCOOK$
>
> //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)
>

Dave,

I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler
source and jcl both?

Jay




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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining…….
I have the JCL to install FCOOK$
??????????????? //SYSUT1?? DD? DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)
Dave,

I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler source and jcl both?

Jay
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining…….????

I have the JCL to install FCOOK$

??????????????? //SYSUT1?? DD? DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)

From Volkers mvs0090

?

Can’t figure out how to download SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)? other than to grab a copy of his whole TK3 CD, which I did,? guess I need to actually install it to be able to access the DASD files as there is no indication where this is and assuming this is a setup JCL file what other files are necessary.? So that I can extract them to apply to my MVS 3.8j.

?

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

ate: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor

<dave@...> wrote:

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The “fortune cookie” thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley’s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the “fortune cookie” code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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Dave,

Our old Honeywell System had a FORTRAN (or could have been “B” but I think it was pre B) program that did this. I wonder where I put the message file. I used to have a copy somewhere…

… it had some gems… any UK readers may (or may not) agree with….? .. e.g.

?

“A pleasant view of Swindon , as seen through your rearview mirror”

?

Or that great line from Betjeman,

?

“come friendly bomb and fall on Slough”

?

Dave

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Trainor
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The “fortune cookie” thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley’s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the “fortune cookie” code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: creating CICS help

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin
Monceaux
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] creating CICS help

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:06:06PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:

Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears
to be a separate thread/conversations
No, even if the subject is completely changed a reply to a message will
still
contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message being
replied to. Most modern mail readers will still thread that message as
part of
the thread being replied to.
Thats what I thought too but no, if you create a completely new subject
groups.io assumes you are a lazy bugger, can't be bothered to start a new
message and breaks the thread totally
It seems to do a pretty good job and as far as I can tell from looking at
the headers it removes any "in-reply to" and creates a clean new thread.
Try tracing the conversations in Thunderbird using threaded. In my
Thunderbird in a threaded view it separates them when I changed to "creating
CICS help".
It used to be in-consistent between creating web messages and submitting by
e-mail. Web messages preserved some thread info, but it was recently made
consistent.

Dave
Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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Thank you Doug, this is exactly what I was searching for.

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor

<dave@...> wrote:

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The “fortune cookie” thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley’s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the “fortune cookie” code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Other than an excellent tutorial on CLIST, like most all of his web pages, I don't see anything about a MOTD script on that page.

I agree implementing this as a logon CLIST sounds like the way to do it.
1) A file of 100+ "sayings" enough to avoid duplication too quickly
2) a random number generator to pick a line in above fie
3) a write statement to display that particular line

Does not really sound like rocket science. Mostly the creativity and "artistic ability" to create the list of sayings. Someone has had to do this before.

While its probably not suitable for "Business" which is I am sure where MVS mostly lives(d), Universities are another story, and now we are all just hobbyists, so I find it an acceptable of a few CPU ticks.

Thanks,
Dave

?On 6/26/20, 7:59 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Mike Schwab" <[email protected] on behalf of Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote:

Instructions
at the end.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.
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> Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.
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> Thanks,
> Dave
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor
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Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The “fortune cookie” thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley’s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the “fortune cookie” code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

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Thanks,

Dave

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

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This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

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Joe

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The “fortune cookie” thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley’s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the “fortune cookie” code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ‘the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00’ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: creating CICS help

 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:06:06PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:

Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears to be
a separate thread/conversations
No, even if the subject is completely changed a reply to a message will
still contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message being
replied to. Most modern mail readers will still thread that message as part
of the thread being replied to.




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Re: creating CICS help

 

On 6/26/20 10:55 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
Sorry, but generally in "groups.io" when you change the subject the thread
identifier is changed.
Thunderbird keeps it as the same thread.? So I would have follow Kevin's advice.

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