Re: Naive PL/1 F question.

#1317

Isn't UNSPEC not also a pseudo-variable, so that it can also be used on the left-had side of an assignment, e.g.:

UNSPEC ( CHR ) = CODE ;

Cheers,

Peter

Naive PL/1 F question.

#1316

I've a naive question about the PL/1 F we
have onboard on MVS3.8j.

Forgive me, I'm trying to write code for
going from a single character to its EBCDIC
code and viceversa.

The first problem should be solved by this code
fragment:

ECODE:
  PROCEDURE ( CHR ) RETURNS(FIXED BIN(15));
  DCL CHR CHARACTER(1);
  DCL CODE FIXED BIN(15);

  CODE = UNSPEC ( CHR );
  RETURN ( CODE );
END ECODE;

which seems to work correctly.

But I can't see a way for going back from the EBCDIC
code to a single character string, using only PL/1 F.

For what I can understand in modern PL/1 compilers
there are specific builtin functions implemented, but,
reading the original IBM manuals, I can't see any simple
way to solve the problem.

Any advice?

Peppe.

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1315

/g/turnkey-mvs/files/TK3-archive/cookbook.zip

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On 7/6/20 6:13 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 06:44 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Also, I recently uploaded Volker's cookbook zip over on the
    turnkey-mvs forum in the FILES area for those interested. CBT still
    has the original Volker CD with TK3 and the original JCL in it. Info
    in the TK3 Archive (or some name like that) over there.
Jim, what was the filename? I'm not having any luck finding it.
_._,_._,_

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1314

Scott,

Send me the info directly?to my email.

Joe

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On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM ScottC via <sccosel=[email protected]> wrote:

Just got off the phone with "Jenny Angell" at Network Solutions.? Good news!? We have 30 days from 6/30/2020 (for someone) to pay (at least) the 1 year renewal price of $73.98 ($37.99 per year + $35.99 reinstatement fee) to get the domain restored to the way it was before it went offline.? They are happy to take payment from anyone who wants to make the payment.

Just letting everyone know that this is an option.? "Jenny" emailed me her direct Network Solutions contact information, as the length of time it took on hold to speak to an agent was quite long (about 20 minutes).?

Let me know if anyone has any interest in this option.

ScottC

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1313

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On 7/6/20 4:10 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

well, hopefully the server is still up, and another snarf can be done, if we only knew the IP....

-- 
Drew Derbyshire

"A little voice inside my head said don't look back,
 You can never look back . . ."                 -- Don Henley

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1312

Locations to download the TK3 CD image:

Original location posted on Volker's site:?

ftp://www.cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip

ScottC

Refs:

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1311

Just got off the phone with "Jenny Angell" at Network Solutions.? Good news!? We have 30 days from 6/30/2020 (for someone) to pay (at least) the 1 year renewal price of $73.98 ($37.99 per year + $35.99 reinstatement fee) to get the bsp-gmbh.com domain restored to the way it was before it went offline.? They are happy to take payment from anyone who wants to make the payment.

Just letting everyone know that this is an option.? "Jenny" emailed me her direct Network Solutions contact information, as the length of time it took on hold to speak to an agent was quite long (about 20 minutes).?

Let me know if anyone has any interest in this option.

ScottC

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1310

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 06:44 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:

Also, I recently uploaded Volker's cookbook zip over on the turnkey-mvs forum in the FILES area for those interested. CBT still has the original Volker CD with TK3 and the original JCL in it. Info in the TK3 Archive (or some name like that) over there.

Jim, what was the filename? I'm not having any luck finding it.

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1309

well, hopefully the server is still up, and another snarf can be done, if we only knew the IP....

On Monday, July 6, 2020, 6:44:39 PM EDT, Jim Morrison <n9gtm@...> wrote:

Attached the `tree` command output from the 2020 backup, the DIFF is
against the 2012 backup.? Not much changed.

Also, I recently uploaded Volker's cookbook zip over on the turnkey-mvs
forum in the FILES area for those interested.? CBT still has the
original Volker CD with TK3 and the original JCL in it.? Info in the TK3
Archive (or some name like that) over there.

Scott uploaded the tk3upd zip in the files area here.? Halfmeg and I are
still scoping out what's what for the remaining TK3 history, and just
how current Scott's upload is; it may be the latest & greatest but we
haven't fully checked it out yet.

Jim

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On 7/6/20 4:47 PM, Patrik Schindler wrote:
> Hello Marco,
>
> Am 06.07.2020 um 22:10 schrieb marcoxa@...:
>
>> I just wanted to let you all know that the domain bsp-gmbh.com expired on June 30th.? I learned a bit of MVS from there, and it may be that the information contained therein may now be available only via the Internet Wayback Machine.
>
> Hmph, if should have done a complete wget -m of the site before. But now it's possibly too late. :-(
>
> :wq! PoC
>
> PGP-Key: DDD3 4ABF 6413 38DE -
>

2020-tree.txt

bsp-gmbh.com-DIFF-tree.txt

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1308

Attached the `tree` command output from the 2020 backup, the DIFF is against the 2012 backup.  Not much changed.

Also, I recently uploaded Volker's cookbook zip over on the turnkey-mvs forum in the FILES area for those interested.  CBT still has the original Volker CD with TK3 and the original JCL in it.  Info in the TK3 Archive (or some name like that) over there.

Scott uploaded the tk3upd zip in the files area here.  Halfmeg and I are still scoping out what's what for the remaining TK3 history, and just how current Scott's upload is; it may be the latest & greatest but we haven't fully checked it out yet.

Jim

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On 7/6/20 4:47 PM, Patrik Schindler wrote:
Hello Marco,
Am 06.07.2020 um 22:10 schrieb marcoxa@...:

I just wanted to let you all know that the domain bsp-gmbh.com expired on June 30th.  I learned a bit of MVS from there, and it may be that the information contained therein may now be available only via the Internet Wayback Machine.Hmph, if should have done a complete wget -m of the site before. But now it's possibly too late. :-(
:wq! PoC
PGP-Key: DDD3 4ABF 6413 38DE - 

2020-tree.txt

bsp-gmbh.com-DIFF-tree.txt

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1307

YES.

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On 06/07/2020 18:36, Dave Trainor wrote:

So then, forgive me if this is obvious, I could take a fully generated and configured MVS system, shut it down – tar up the MVS directory like I do for a backup – move that tar file to a Pi – extract the tar file – and then boot using Hercules on the pi, and it would work the same (not discussing speed)?

If SO, that’s cool.

Thanks,

Dave

*From: *<[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
*Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Date: *Monday, July 6, 2020 at 1:15 PM
*To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [H390-MVS] TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

I tried it on a Pi Zero; I ended up giving up. **too** slow, couldn't tell if it was stuck or just slow.

The slow part was getting the SMP volumes built. I think if you followed Jay's instructions to the point where you had your starter system and SMP volumes built, you could move over to a Pi and be ok (and once you have those, you never need to build them again)...

You may have a fighting chance on a Pi 3 or 4.

One thing that was killing me was that I had compressed DASD, which was ****really**** slow on a Pi Zero when doing a lot of writes.

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1306

My timing was excellent, I snarfed the site 2020-06-26.  I was way overdue since my prior snarf was 2012-04-21.  A different of 567 bytes between the two dates, so even older backups should be nearly complete. All told about 408 MB.

I dropped him a line a few days/weeks ago, but haven't heard back yet, but that's fairly typical.  Any response at all tended to come after a lengthy delay.

Jim

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On 7/6/20 4:47 PM, Patrik Schindler wrote:
Hello Marco,
Am 06.07.2020 um 22:10 schrieb marcoxa@...:

I just wanted to let you all know that the domain bsp-gmbh.com expired on June 30th.  I learned a bit of MVS from there, and it may be that the information contained therein may now be available only via the Internet Wayback Machine.Hmph, if should have done a complete wget -m of the site before. But now it's possibly too late. :-(
:wq! PoC
PGP-Key: DDD3 4ABF 6413 38DE - 

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

Bill Lewis

#1305

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 01:14 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

I tried it on a Pi Zero; I ended up giving up. **too** slow, couldn't tell if it was stuck or just slow.

I built gcc from source once on a Pi Zero.? It took 5 days elapsed wall clock time.
But it all worked.

Bill

Re: Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1304

Hello Marco,

Am 06.07.2020 um 22:10 schrieb marcoxa@...:

I just wanted to let you all know that the domain bsp-gmbh.com expired on June 30th.  I learned a bit of MVS from there, and it may be that the information contained therein may now be available only via the Internet Wayback Machine.Hmph, if should have done a complete wget -m of the site before. But now it's possibly too late. :-(

:wq! PoC

PGP-Key: DDD3 4ABF 6413 38DE -

Domain bsp-gmbh.com expired

#1303

Hi

I just wanted to let you all know that the domain bsp-gmbh.com expired on June 30th.? I learned a bit of MVS from there, and it may be that the information contained therein may now be available only via the Internet Wayback Machine.

All the best

Marco

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1302

Michael,

Yeah ... no worries ... :-)

Thanks again for the clarifications, not just for myself, but for "the archives" ...

Mark

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1301

>> So then, forgive me if this is obvious, I could take a fully generated and configured MVS system, shut it down – tar up the MVS directory like I do for a backup – move that tar file to a Pi – extract the tar file – and then boot using Hercules on the pi, and it would work the same (not discussing speed)?

The caveat is that the destination Hercules has to support any forms of compression that the DASD you are moving use. If you are using prebuilt Hercules' *probably* ok, but I got bit once moving some DASD compressed with BZ to a machine where Hercules had not been built with libbz2.

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1300

开云体育

On 7/6/20 10:36 AM, Dave Trainor wrote:

So then, forgive me if this is obvious, I could take a fully generated and configured MVS system, shut it down – tar up the MVS directory like I do for a backup – move that tar file to a Pi – extract the tar file – and then boot using Hercules on the pi, and it would work the same (not discussing speed)?

?

If SO, that’s cool.

?

I've switched my MVS and VM images between x64 abd ARM (RPi) platforms multiple time.

-ahd-

-- 
Drew Derbyshire

"Even if I have garlic breath?"                 -- The Grey-eyed Elf

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1299

On 7/6/20 12:36 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
So then, forgive me if this is obvious, I could take a fully generated and configured MVS system, shut it down – tar up the MVS directory like I do for a backup – move that tar file to a Pi – extract the tar file – and then boot using Hercules on the pi, and it would work the same (not discussing speed)?
If SO, that’s cool.
Dave,

Should be no reason you cannot. I move DASD images between instances of MVS on different Linux desktops and even non-system DASD from MVT to MVS.

Jay

Re: TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

#1298

开云体育

So then, forgive me if this is obvious, I could take a fully generated and configured MVS system, shut it down – tar up the MVS directory like I do for a backup – move that tar file to a Pi – extract the tar file – and then boot using Hercules on the pi, and it would work the same (not discussing speed)?

?

If SO, that’s cool.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, July 6, 2020 at 1:15 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] TK4- On a Raspberry Pi

?

I tried it on a Pi Zero; I ended up giving up. **too** slow, couldn't tell if it was stuck or just slow.

The slow part was getting the SMP volumes built. I think if you followed Jay's instructions to the point where you had your starter system and SMP volumes built, you could move over to a Pi and be ok (and once you have those, you never need to build them again)...

You may have a fighting chance on a Pi 3 or 4.

One thing that was killing me was that I had compressed DASD, which was ****really**** slow on a Pi Zero when doing a lot of writes.

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