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Re: SYSCPK issues


 

"Clearly?Jay is targeting a wide audience."

I didnt?say ONLY his MVS. I said it targeted?his MVS.

Plus if you take the ENTIRE sentence, and not just a snippet you see...

"In order to be compatible with the largest number of Hercules/MVS users and also provide the maximum usable space, the type of DASD volume chosen was a 3350. '

Finally, there is always?ZZSA that you IPL from the reader and fix the offending PROC.

Joe

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:33 PM Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:
On 6/25/20 3:36 AM, Joe Monk wrote:
> While Jay Moseley does not need defending, the procedure was written
> to be compatible with his MVS build.

This is not accurate.? To quote
: "In order to be
compatible with the largest number of Hercules/MVS users ...".? Clearly
Jay is targeting a wide audience.

Because he is targeting a wide audience including older (out of date)
systems, much of the content on the pack is redundant for a TK3UPD
system.? This is to be expected and is harmless.? But I didn't even
mention fact in that my original note. (That's not a bug, it's a feature!)

Also, I did not comment on what he got right (I would have been here all
night), for example making SYSC.LINKLIB a STEPLIB rather than adding it
to the system link list.

> If you are using his procedure?with another system like TK3UPD (which
> last I heard has questionable legs anyway, because Phil decided to
> claim copyright over the whole thing),
In an earlier thread discussing my need to apply service, it was pointed
out that TK3UPD was the basis for MVS380 and TK4-; those questionable
legs have traveled, to say the least.
> of there will be a need to modify the install procedures.

In what way?

What I reported were not customization issues, but rather a failure to
follow best? practices.? (The order of PROCLIB entries can be argued ...
but not the system failing to start!)

> So, when viewed thru that lens, none of these changes are either
> unusual or unnecessary. Every system takes some customization.

My original tone, which I am sticking by, is that on any MVS system
(including Jay's) the original approaches are not best practices and
they should be corrected.

For example, if one generating new entries for VATLST, one should verify
they are, in fact, new.? And "S JES2OLD" just won't work.

I lost a moderate amount of work because of having to restore, and I
prefer no one else does.

-ahd-

--
Drew Derbyshire

"Ain't there one damn song that can me break down and cry?"
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