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MTS as a guest of VM/370
开云体育Rob, Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only. The MTS system runs in ESA mode (I think might work in XA mode) so won’t run the free VM. I suspect you could build a 370 version of MTS but I haven’t investigated how much work it would need. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robballantyne3@...
Sent: 13 January 2023 00:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370 ? It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active and has recently released a VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 |
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Dave Wade wrote:
Rob wrote:[...] [...]It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only.If MTS is ESA only, then maybe it'll run under VM/ESA 2.40? * If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything about MTS. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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Fascinating, so many operating systems, so little time :) I hadn't discovered Internet Archive until?you mentioned it Fish (I see that's what everyone calls you, I hope I'm not being too familiar).?? I found this () as well.? Is it worth trying? Rob On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:52 AM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote: Dave Wade wrote: |
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Note there are older versions of MTS that do run on the 360/67 and 370. These are a bit harder to get working but they do work. Perhaps an older version would work on VM/370. Rich Fascinating, so many operating systems, so little time :) --
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开云体育You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product.Perhaps Mike can chime in if it is possible to build an earlier version of MTS - possibly even ones that run on VM/370? - Richard On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:
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开云体育I wrote to Don Higgins about the z390 he has. The object deck that is created looks like it can be linked in z/os or any of the other operating systems except dos. Here is his reply. ? Ward ? Z390 obj files were designed to be compatible with OS linker and I know it worked back in earlier days.? I have not tried it lately. ? Don Higgins
? From: z390@... <z390@...> On Behalf Of ward007@... ? Would it be possible to assemble a program then take the text file and link it on z/OS? ? -- ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS ? You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product. On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:
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开云体育Mike, I don’t believe that is sufficient. I understand MTS system generation depends on having a MODIFIED version of Assembler H. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Ward
Sent: 13 January 2023 23:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370 ? I wrote to Don Higgins about the z390 he has. The object deck that is created looks like it can be linked in z/os or any of the other operating systems except dos. Here is his reply. ? Ward ? Z390 obj files were designed to be compatible with OS linker and I know it worked back in earlier days.? I have not tried it lately. ? Don Higgins
? From: z390@... <z390@...> On Behalf Of ward007@... ? Would it be possible to assemble a program then take the text file and link it on z/OS? ? -- ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS ? You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product. On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:
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开云体育On 13 Jan 2023, at 18:51, Dave Wade wrote:
That is correct. I don't think anyone has been able to assemble much of MTS without the MTS version of ASMH. This may not matter too much in the current discussion since later versions of MTS only run on XA machines. XA was the current architecture when development of MTS ended so that's all that D6 supports. However all previous distributions of MTS are available online (see . I'm not sure offhand which is the last version supporting 360/67 or 370 (non-XA). This is documented somewhere but I'm not sure where. One of those versions should run in older versions of VM (or CP/67). Mike |
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Mike Stramba
On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:52 AM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
Well if you want to try MTS : Very nicely done site.? ? Using it, I went from zero knowledge of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours. Mike? |
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Mike Stramba wrote:
Fish wrote:Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'dWell if you want to try MTS : -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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MTS runs perfectly fine under Hercules, it's just that a build for VM/370 doesn't exist.
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It might be fun to try and build an 'ancient' version of MTS that would run under VM/370 (I remember that SFU did that back in the late 70s to run on our 370/148) and it would be 'educational' for those of us who have never done it before! If it needs ASMH, ah well - look earlier!!!! (Yes, the MTS version of ASMH is modified, but does require an IBM licence to run.) - Richard On 1/13/23 8:17 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Mike Stramba wrote:Fish wrote:Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'dWell if you want to try MTS : |
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Just out of curiosity - how much does an ASMH license cost and can you even get one unless you also have a license for an IBM OS / other software?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 23:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370 MTS runs perfectly fine under Hercules, it's just that a build for VM/370 doesn't exist. It might be fun to try and build an 'ancient' version of MTS that would run under VM/370 (I remember that SFU did that back in the late 70s to run on our 370/148) and it would be 'educational' for those of us who have never done it before! If it needs ASMH, ah well - look earlier!!!! (Yes, the MTS version of ASMH is modified, but does require an IBM licence to run.) - Richard On 1/13/23 8:17 PM, Fish Fish wrote: Mike Stramba wrote:Fish wrote:Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'dWell if you want to try MTS : |
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-----Original Message-----You can't get an Assembler H licence. Its withdrawn from marketing. The replacement will be object code only so you can't apply the mods needed for MTS Dave -----Original Message----- |
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The MTS team made available various historical versions of MTS. Some of
the are old enough to run in 370 mode. IIRC not all of them are in a bootable state, but I think Rich Cornwell got some of the older stuff to run. Rather than chase the unobtainium, it'd probably be more worthwhile to: - See about running one of those older 360- or 370-mode versions. - Build a replacement for ASMH that will run on various platforms (MTS, IBM OSen, Unix, etc), and includes the patched behavior of the MTS version. - Work with IBM to obtain non-commercial rights to share, modify and run ASMH. Haha. The first could be fun -- there are some subsystems in the 6.x versions that most currently run which were relatively late to the game. The second would solve a fair number of problems across the IBM 3x0 emulation community. MTS is far from the only place with ASMH license problems. The third is presumably a "good luck, Charlie" sort of affair. De |
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