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Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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Hi John,
2.??should have all you need
best regards,
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On 28 Nov 2022, at 18:38, John Palmer <jpalmer@...> wrote:
Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit.? ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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John, I hope this helps… ? - I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ? - Not seen any news on CONFER
? Dave G4UGM ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer
Sent: 28 November 2022 22:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user.? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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I can add a bit to this.
I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released.
By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C.
I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
Mike
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On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote:
John,
I hope this helps…
?
- I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ?
- Not seen any news on CONFER
?
Dave
G4UGM
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Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit.
?
I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff.
?
Just have a few questions:
?
- I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
?
Thanks.
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Hi:
Seems good news :)
Paco
On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 at 00:27, Mike Alexander < mta@...> wrote:
I can add a bit to this.
I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released.
By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C.
I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
Mike
On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote:
John,
I hope this helps…
?
- I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ?
- Not seen any news on CONFER
?
Dave
G4UGM
?
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Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit.
?
I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff.
?
Just have a few questions:
?
- I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer?? I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
?
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Thanks for your work on this Mike. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 17:27 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? I can add a bit to this. I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released. By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C. I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Mike On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote: John, I hope this helps… ? - I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ? - Not seen any news on CONFER
? Dave G4UGM ? ? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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Thanks: Getting this when compiling on CentOS 7: ? /usr/local/src/hercules-helper-master/hyperion/machdep.h:715: multiple definition of `fetch_hw_noswap' .libs/codepage.o:/usr/local/src/hercules-helper-master/hyperion/machdep.h:715: first defined here .libs/machdep.o: In function `store_hw_noswap': ? Lot of these kinds of errors – seems a bunch of these are defined multiple times – some #if statements in the code are both firing when only one should. ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 23:38 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? John, I hope this helps… ? - I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ? - Not seen any news on CONFER
? Dave G4UGM ? ? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’?? Also, the host code (It says MT now) ? Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone? ? Thanks ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 17:27 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? I can add a bit to this. I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released. By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C. I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Mike On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote: John, I hope this helps… ? - I don’t think this has ever progressed
- I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
- The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ? - Not seen any news on CONFER
? Dave G4UGM ? ? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ? - I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
- I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
- I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
- Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.
? Thanks.
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The host code is stored in the CNFGIFNO area which is a collection of configuration info that is generated as part of the TABLES assembly. In principle it could easily be changed. However when I changed it from UM to MT years ago I discovered that there are quite a few places where that code is used, some of them surprising, and some of them non-trivial to change. I would recommend leaving it as MT.
The block MTS and banner displayed on the 3270 is generated by the 3270 DSR. I don't know offhand whether it gets some of this from CNFGINFO, but it might. In any case it could probably be patched without any significant side effects. I haven't tried this.
Mike
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On 28 Jan 2023, at 18:15, John Palmer wrote: Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’?? Also, the host code (It says MT now)
Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone?
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I was able to carefully change the text from "University of Michigan Computing Center" by editing *3270RTN. It's hardcoded in there.
I have been able to run ok with Hyperion 4.5, but every now and then it does super dump on me, right after IPL. Last time I had it up for 3 weeks. When I reloaded it, it crashed once but came up ok after I tried again. I can't ever get it to write the dump to tape - it just freezes.
Also, no joy with PTR2 - even with Hyperion 4.5 and any of the three examples in the .cnf file.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 22:15 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. The host code is stored in the CNFGIFNO area which is a collection of configuration info that is generated as part of the TABLES assembly. In principle it could easily be changed. However when I changed it from UM to MT years ago I discovered that there are quite a few places where that code is used, some of them surprising, and some of them non-trivial to change. I would recommend leaving it as MT. The block MTS and banner displayed on the 3270 is generated by the 3270 DSR. I don't know offhand whether it gets some of this from CNFGINFO, but it might. In any case it could probably be patched without any significant side effects. I haven't tried this. Mike On 28 Jan 2023, at 18:15, John Palmer wrote: Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals
that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’? Also, the host
code (It says MT now)
Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone?
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