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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
Could have been the SVS HASP port...I joined the systems group after the VS1 to MVS migration, and never really interacted with VS1 at all. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 1:00?PM Tony Harminc <tharminc@...> wrote:
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Jay Maynard |
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 at 11:54, Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
I'm surprised - maybe impressed? - that such a program could browse the SPOOL in VS1, because the VS1 JES (sometimes informally called JES1 or JES0) was unlike JES2 not source maintained, and was more like an improvement to make the old OS/360 approach perform better, but wasn't a major rearchitecting.? Back when I was young and foolish (now I'm old and maybe slightly less foolish) I thought it would be nice to add Internal Reader support to VS1. I spent a long time reading fiche, and even ordered up the optional source, but of course it was mostly in PL/S and would've involved a lot of ZAPs to call new routines. WIth hindsight it was a stupid idea because it wouldn't have been maintainable. Ah - maybe you're talking about running the SVS HASP that was ported to VS1...? Tony H.
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 10:34?AM Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote: Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...) --
Jay Maynard |
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...)
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
开云体育I remember SPM/OL? pretty well.? Used it on CICS 1.3 and DOS/VS R34.? All of us in apps and systems modified our source that way.? It had several quirks, one being that multiple people could edit the same source member at the same time.? When you committed a change, you were only committing the changes you could see on your screen.? As soon as you scrolled to the next page, the previous page was written to disk.? As a systems programmer, I used to have a lot of fun taking advantage of that little bit of info.
DeWayne On 3/17/24 17:37, Mark Waterbury wrote:
>From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program Maintenance On-Line". |
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program Maintenance On-Line".
I found this: ? ?? Someone else remembers "SPM/OL"... it was an "edit and submit" type of tool, perhaps reminiscent of CRJE? In those days, circa 1980, Pansophic Systems Inc. had a competing product called "PVOL" for "PanValet On-Line" that ran under CICS/VS on either DOS/VS or OS/VS. Hope that helps? Mark S. Waterbury |
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
It was a CICS package that would also run on VS1, but not MVS. I suspect it might have evolved into ICCF, but I have nothing more than belief to back that up. And I'd be very surprised if a copy has survived. On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 3:14?PM Shawn Goodin <k4rsg@...> wrote: I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF. --
Jay Maynard |
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DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF.
I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here.? Does anyone have any info or fills?? I sort of doubt that it's available but it never hurts to ask. Shawn Goodin |
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
开云体育Thanks. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of dosvsoperator via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 11:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-DOSVS] Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them? ? In my travels, I found this site: |
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
Hi,
These files are unfortunately missing the DOS proper. Everything else is there. I did do some playing with trying to rebuild them, but it takes some work. DOS apparently does not support two source libraries. So either all the macros from the various libraries need to be copied to the main macro source library or they need to be copied to the individual source libraries. See also:These is also BOS available which is basically TOS without Foreground /Background. Rich -- ========================================================================== Richard Cornwell rich@... LinkedIn: ========================================================================== |
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
Mike,
Have a look here: ? ?/g/H390- The "files.zip" is all the files from the old yahoo groups DOSVS "files" area, and contains many old DOS/360 "optional source" tapes, zipped.? Perhaps you might find what you are looking for in there?? I admit it will be older, DOS/360 Rel. 26, but may be better than nothing and may not be that different. See also: ? ?? where you can find a copy of the original distribution tapes for DOS/360 and TOS/360. Hope that helps, Mark S. Waterbury |
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
开云体育Yes, the source for the $$BCRT ?transients. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steen Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-DOSVS] Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them? ? Hi Mike, |
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
Hi Mike,
I believe most of the files are already present in the distribution by George Shedlock - mostly as macros and source books. I think you will be able to find the code for the DOS supervisor, most of Power and the assembler. However I don't think you will find the code for VTAM, Cobol, PL/I and Fortran. Are you looking for something specific? Regards, Steen |
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Re: Some questions about BSAM files on DOS/VS
Fish - please don't apologize. You are doing fantastic work, thank's for that!
I asked on this group, because I it was unexpected for me, because all books and materials I read, didnt notice such behavior. A few years ago I was aked about preparing and executing training aobout z/VSE for some group of z/OS system programmers. I didn't touch VSE many years and had to refresh and expand my knowledge (many things chnaged since VSE 2.4, the last version used by me). Today we don't have real tapes (but is the tape emulation in VSE which supports AWS format), connectuin to system may be supported on z/VM by Linux TCPIP stack, Java connectors are provided for VSE POWER, VSAM etc. But now VSE is not an IBM system anymore, it was sold to external company (https://21cs.com/vsen/). After preparing that training I did that four times yet for different teams, with 2 years period between them. Maybe I'm one? of few persons on this planet, who do such things in 2024 :-) My love to the old opersting systems (nt only IBM, but also DEC PDP), give me many happy ours, and part of that is thanks to your work.
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Re: Some questions about BSAM files on DOS/VS
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 04:27 PM, Piotr Kolasiński wrote:
Is there some material you can share on how to use DITTO for those tasks? I'm conversant with MVT and it's progeny, but I'm a total DOS neo. |
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Re: Some questions about BSAM files on DOS/VS
Piotr Kolasinski wrote:
Fish thanks for explanation but ... it is different than resultsYou could be right. I apologize. I was going from memory. It might be because the files is declared "SD" and not "DA"? Maybe with "SD" (sequential data) files, the behavior is like you say, but it is different when the file is declared "DA" (direct access)? I forget! It had admittedly been many, many years since I have messed with DOS/VS(E). I'm too busy with Hercules to have the luxury of playing with / experimenting with the many operating systems it is capable of running. If/when I find the time, I will try the experiments you suggest. But I believe you are probably correct. Please accept my apologies. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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Re: How to delete BSAM file on DOS/VS
I agree that once you have a fairly static I/O config it makes sense to build a supervisor that matches,
but you always did need the function when building a DOS or DOS/VS system from a distribution tape. Starting from a supervisor which did not, in general, match your configuration, it was essential to be able to ADD/DEL. Today with Hercules we are in the fortunate position of being able to define at run-time matching I/O addrs. Also a supervisor assembly took quite a while on a 360/30 or 370/125. |
Shawn Goodin
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