Re: VTP Assistance Needed
It gives DOS/VS a 3270 interactive interface, providing services regarding system information, libraries, VSAM, POWER, and utilities.?
hmm … interesting- will have to try it soon?
thanks!
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Re: VTP Assistance Needed
Do a search here on VTP on DOS/VS
5-pack
On 16/06/2024 18:13, Jim Snellen via groups.io wrote:
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Hi Jim!
I’m not real sure. I read the posts on groups.io and it seems
be some kind of utility. Do a search on VTP and you’ll see what
I mean. I want to get it running so I can see for myself!
Best regards,
Jim Snellen?
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On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:26?AM, Jim
Salvino via groups.io
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?Jim,
I've never heard of VTP.
What does it do?
JimS
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Hi Jim! I’m not real sure. I read the posts on groups.io and it seems be some kind of utility. Do a search on VTP and you’ll see what I mean. I want to get it running so I can see for myself! Best regards, Jim Snellen?
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On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:26?AM, Jim Salvino via groups.io <jsalvino@...> wrote:
?Jim,
I've never heard of VTP.
What does it do?
JimS
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Jim,
I've never heard of VTP.
What does it do?
JimS
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Hello Jim,
No problem.? I may have been a little harsh with my criticism.? I was also trying to get SPF working around the same time as VTP and there were some issues with that as well so I may be getting the findings from both mixed up.
I had also been running the modified version of the DOS/VS 5 Pack system v1r0m1 at times, so that may have had some bearing.
I should say that I was running DOS/VS native as opposed to under VM/370.
It will be interesting to see how you get on with it and if I find the time, I may re-visit it with a fresh perspective.
All the best,? Alex.
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Re: VTP Assistance Needed
Hello Alex,? Thanks loads for your help. I shall perform the same steps as you and hopefully get VTP to work.? I'm a little disappointed in your assessment of the slow behavior and errors you encountered. Reading the VTP posts, it seemed to be a good utility.? I’ll update this post with my results and thanks again for responding.?
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On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:24?PM, alexsim via groups.io <alexsim@...> wrote:
?Hi Jim
It's been over 2 years since I looked at this but here is what I can remember.
As you noted, I didn't get an answer to my question but given that VTP seemed to be trying to access that file, I assumed that I would need to get it created.? After some research, I discovered that the label information for the IJAFILE did exist in the system even though the file itself wasn't there.? The extent information did point to a free area of the correct size on the PWRR34 volume so I just had to work out how to get it created.? I found that I needed to re-generate POWER with the ACCOUNT option set to YES.? This should turn on accounting and create the file automatically.
I decided to generate a new version of POWER and named it POWERA so as not to mess with the existing set up, mainly because I was new to DOS/VS and wasn't very sure about what I was doing.? I then created a new start up deck for POWERA based on what was in the existing POWER.VS.SYSIN.TRACKS file and loaded it through the card reader 00C to start up POWERA.
I also encountered another problem with VTP which I eventually tracked down to be an issue with some of the user records which are added to the U000.SECURITY.FILE file by the OSS99 program during the install process.? I found that the records at the start i.e.
A000000HERC01 ?CUL8TR ?00100002
A000000HERC02 ?CUL8TR ?00200002
A000000HERC03 ?PASS4U ?00101100
A000000HERC04 ?PASS4U ?00201100
A000000HERC05 ?PASS4U ?00300002
A000000HERC06 ?PASS4U ?00301100
A000000HERC07 ?PASS4U ?00102002
A000000HERC08 ?PASS4U ?00202100
A000000HERC09 ?PASS4U ?00103079*
needed to have a leading zero added to the numbers that follow the Userid and Password and I also removed the extra blanks i.e.
A000000HERC01 CUL8TR 000100002
A000000HERC02 CUL8TR 000200002
A000000HERC03 PASS4U 000101100
A000000HERC04 PASS4U 000201100
A000000HERC05 PASS4U 000300002
A000000HERC06 PASS4U 000301100
A000000HERC07 PASS4U 000102002
A000000HERC08 PASS4U 000202100
A000000HERC09 PASS4U 000103079*
I have to say that when I did eventually get VTP to run and got logged on, I found it quite slow and also the some functions didn't work or caused it to hang or abend.? So I didn't take it any further.
I hope that I've remembered this correctly and that it provides you with some assistance going forward.
Good luck,? Alex.
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Re: VTP Assistance Needed
Hi Jim
It's been over 2 years since I looked at this but here is what I can remember.
As you noted, I didn't get an answer to my question but given that VTP seemed to be trying to access that file, I assumed that I would need to get it created.? After some research, I discovered that the label information for the IJAFILE did exist in the system even though the file itself wasn't there.? The extent information did point to a free area of the correct size on the PWRR34 volume so I just had to work out how to get it created.? I found that I needed to re-generate POWER with the ACCOUNT option set to YES.? This should turn on accounting and create the file automatically.
I decided to generate a new version of POWER and named it POWERA so as not to mess with the existing set up, mainly because I was new to DOS/VS and wasn't very sure about what I was doing.? I then created a new start up deck for POWERA based on what was in the existing POWER.VS.SYSIN.TRACKS file and loaded it through the card reader 00C to start up POWERA.
I also encountered another problem with VTP which I eventually tracked down to be an issue with some of the user records which are added to the U000.SECURITY.FILE file by the OSS99 program during the install process.? I found that the records at the start i.e.
A000000HERC01 ?CUL8TR ?00100002
A000000HERC02 ?CUL8TR ?00200002
A000000HERC03 ?PASS4U ?00101100
A000000HERC04 ?PASS4U ?00201100
A000000HERC05 ?PASS4U ?00300002
A000000HERC06 ?PASS4U ?00301100
A000000HERC07 ?PASS4U ?00102002
A000000HERC08 ?PASS4U ?00202100
A000000HERC09 ?PASS4U ?00103079*
needed to have a leading zero added to the numbers that follow the Userid and Password and I also removed the extra blanks i.e.
A000000HERC01 CUL8TR 000100002
A000000HERC02 CUL8TR 000200002
A000000HERC03 PASS4U 000101100
A000000HERC04 PASS4U 000201100
A000000HERC05 PASS4U 000300002
A000000HERC06 PASS4U 000301100
A000000HERC07 PASS4U 000102002
A000000HERC08 PASS4U 000202100
A000000HERC09 PASS4U 000103079*
I have to say that when I did eventually get VTP to run and got logged on, I found it quite slow and also the some functions didn't work or caused it to hang or abend.? So I didn't take it any further.
I hope that I've remembered this correctly and that it provides you with some assistance going forward.
Good luck,? Alex.
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Hello friends,
I am reposting this request as I noticed Alex replied to a "file upload" notice in 2022 and received no response.? I also posted there and probably shouldn't have.
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Hi Alex & Group,
I also had to create an additional VSAM dataspace.
I am running DOS/VS as a VM/370 CE guest using Hyperion and HercGUI.? Since I was having problems, I decided to breakup up the INSTALL.JCL into (4) separate jobs.? I had issues running the install jobs but reading the VTP posts, I was able to get past those.? Now when I release the RVTP job and then DIAL, I'm getting (almost) the same results as you.
01 F3 // JOB VTP ? ? ? ? RUN VTP 3.8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
02 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/22 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
03 F3 4228I FILE FILE00 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
04 F3 4228I FILE FILE01 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
05 F3 4228I FILE FILE02 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
06 F3 4228I FILE FILE03 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
07 F3 4228I FILE FILE04 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
08 F3 4228I FILE FILE05 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
09 F3 4228I FILE FILE06 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
10 F3 4228I FILE FILE07 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
11 F3 4228I FILE FILE09 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
12 F3 4228I FILE FILE11 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
13 F3 4228I FILE FILE13 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
14 F3 4228I FILE FILE14 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
15 F3 4601I NO FORMAT 1 LABEL FOUND ? ? IJAFILE ?SYS000=361 ?PWRR34
16 F3 0S02I JOB VTP ? ? ?CANCELED DUE TO PROGRAM REQUEST ? ? ? ? ??
17 F3 EOJ VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
18 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/23,DURATION 00/00/01 ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
19 F1 1Q34I ? F3 WAITING FOR WORK
I downloaded the "corrected VTP 3.8" from the Files section and reinstalled using the updated INSTALL.JCL file.? VTP starts up in the F3 partition but when I issue the "DIAL DOSVS 080" command from 3270 session, I get the above error.? Where did I go wrong and what do I do to fix this?
BTW, I did an LVTOC on 361 and the IJAFILE is NOT there, so same question:
When I try to run VTP itself, I receive an error relating to IJAFILE, which I think is the Power Account file.
On my version of George Shedlock's 5 pack system, this file doesn't appear to be there.
Does this need to exist for VTP to work ?
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Hi Alex & Group,
I also had to create an additional VSAM dataspace.
I am running DOS/VS as a VM/370 CE guest using Hyperion and HercGUI.? Since I was having problems, I decided to breakup up the INSTALL.JCL into (4) separate jobs.? I had issues running the install jobs but reading the VTP posts, I was able to get past those.? Now I want to release the RVTP job but I'm getting (almost) the same results as you.
01 F3 // JOB VTP ? ? ? ? RUN VTP 3.8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
02 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/22 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
03 F3 4228I FILE FILE00 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
04 F3 4228I FILE FILE01 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
05 F3 4228I FILE FILE02 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
06 F3 4228I FILE FILE03 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
07 F3 4228I FILE FILE04 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
08 F3 4228I FILE FILE05 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
09 F3 4228I FILE FILE06 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
10 F3 4228I FILE FILE07 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
11 F3 4228I FILE FILE09 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
12 F3 4228I FILE FILE11 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
13 F3 4228I FILE FILE13 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
14 F3 4228I FILE FILE14 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
15 F3 4601I NO FORMAT 1 LABEL FOUND ? ? IJAFILE ?SYS000=361 ?PWRR34
16 F3 0S02I JOB VTP ? ? ?CANCELED DUE TO PROGRAM REQUEST ? ? ? ? ??
17 F3 EOJ VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
18 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/23,DURATION 00/00/01 ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
19 F1 1Q34I ? F3 WAITING FOR WORK
I downloaded the "corrected VTP 3.8" from the Files section and reinstalled using the updated INSTALL.JCL file.? VTP starts up in the F3 partition but when I issue the "DIAL DOSVS 080" command from 3270 session, I get the above error.? Where did I go wrong and what do I do to fix this?
BTW, I did an LVTOC on 361 and the IJAFILE is NOT there, so same question:
When I try to run VTP itself, I receive an error relating to IJAFILE, which I think is the Power Account file.
On my version of George Shedlock's 5 pack system, this file doesn't appear to be there.
Does this need to exist for VTP to work ?
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
Could have been the SVS HASP port...I joined the systems group after the VS1 to MVS migration, and never really interacted with VS1 at all.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 1:00?PM Tony Harminc < tharminc@...> wrote: The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability.
I'm surprised - maybe impressed? - that such a program could browse the SPOOL in VS1, because the VS1 JES (sometimes informally called JES1 or JES0) was unlike JES2 not source maintained, and was more like an improvement to make the old OS/360 approach perform better, but wasn't a major rearchitecting.?
Back when I was young and foolish (now I'm old and maybe slightly less foolish) I thought it would be nice to add Internal Reader support to VS1. I spent a long time reading fiche, and even ordered up the optional source, but of course it was mostly in PL/S and would've involved a lot of ZAPs to call new routines. WIth hindsight it was a stupid idea because it wouldn't have been maintainable.
Ah - maybe you're talking about running the SVS HASP that was ported to VS1...?
Tony H.
Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...)
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The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability.
I'm surprised - maybe impressed? - that such a program could browse the SPOOL in VS1, because the VS1 JES (sometimes informally called JES1 or JES0) was unlike JES2 not source maintained, and was more like an improvement to make the old OS/360 approach perform better, but wasn't a major rearchitecting.?
Back when I was young and foolish (now I'm old and maybe slightly less foolish) I thought it would be nice to add Internal Reader support to VS1. I spent a long time reading fiche, and even ordered up the optional source, but of course it was mostly in PL/S and would've involved a lot of ZAPs to call new routines. WIth hindsight it was a stupid idea because it wouldn't have been maintainable.
Ah - maybe you're talking about running the SVS HASP that was ported to VS1...?
Tony H.
Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...)
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability.
Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...)
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...)
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
I remember SPM/OL? pretty well.? Used it on
CICS 1.3 and DOS/VS R34.? All of us in apps and systems modified
our source that way.? It had several quirks, one being that
multiple people could edit the same source member at the same
time.? When you committed a change, you were only committing the
changes you could see on your screen.? As soon as you scrolled
to the next page, the previous page was written to disk.? As a
systems programmer, I used to have a lot of fun taking advantage
of that little bit of info.
DeWayne
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>From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under
CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program
Maintenance On-Line".
I found this:
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Someone else remembers "SPM/OL"... it was an "edit and submit"
type of tool, perhaps reminiscent of CRJE?
In those days, circa 1980, Pansophic Systems Inc. had a competing
product called "PVOL" for "PanValet On-Line" that ran under
CICS/VS on either DOS/VS or OS/VS.
Hope that helps?
Mark S. Waterbury
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From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program Maintenance On-Line".
I found this:
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Someone else remembers "SPM/OL"... it was an "edit and submit" type of tool, perhaps reminiscent of CRJE?
In those days, circa 1980, Pansophic Systems Inc. had a competing product called "PVOL" for "PanValet On-Line" that ran under CICS/VS on either DOS/VS or OS/VS.
Hope that helps?
Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
It was a CICS package that would also run on VS1, but not MVS. I suspect it might have evolved into ICCF, but I have nothing more than belief to back that up.
And I'd be very surprised if a copy has survived.
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 3:14?PM Shawn Goodin < k4rsg@...> wrote: I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF.
I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here.? Does anyone have any info or fills?? I sort of doubt that it's available but it never hurts to ask.
Shawn Goodin
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DOS/VS Program Product SPM?
I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF.
I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here.? Does anyone have any info or fills?? I sort of doubt that it's available but it never hurts to ask.
Shawn Goodin
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
In my travels, I found this site:
See if this helps.
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Re: Does anyone have the DOS/VS R34 source files or know where to get them?
Hi,
The "files.zip" is all the files from the old yahoo groups DOSVS
"files" area, and contains many old DOS/360 "optional source" tapes,
zipped.? Perhaps you might find what you are looking for in there?? I
admit it will be older, DOS/360 Rel. 26, but may be better than
nothing and may not be that different.
These files are unfortunately missing the DOS proper. Everything else is there. I did do some playing with trying to rebuild them, but it takes some work. DOS apparently does not support two source libraries. So either all the macros from the various libraries need to be copied to the main macro source library or they need to be copied to the individual source libraries. See also:
where you can find a copy of the original distribution tapes for
DOS/360 and TOS/360. These is also BOS available which is basically TOS without Foreground /Background. Rich -- ========================================================================== Richard Cornwell rich@... LinkedIn: ==========================================================================
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Jim Snellen
Shawn Goodin