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How to fully migrate a Yahoo group to here?


 

I'm with the Fort Worth Astronomical Society.? We have a members-only Yahoo group that has developed a major problem, in that we can't post or view photos on it.? Yahoo Help shows a very large number of complaints about the photo problem, and they apparently seem totally content to not fix it.? I'd like to discuss moving our group to Groups.io.? That move would have to include everything (membership, conversations, files, photos, attachments, and everything else).? How would we proceed?? After your reply we will discuss and vote on this at an upcoming board meeting.?
Thank you, I hope this can work smoothly.
Mike
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 01:28 PM, <jonesmi3774@...> wrote:
I'd like to discuss moving our group to Groups.io.
The main point right now is to stress that this is the Group Managers' Forum (in other words a forum for the managers of all the groups hosted by Groups.io, should they choose to join) and not a Groups.io Managers' Forum. This group is not monitored by anyone at Groups.io (at least not in any formal sense) but simply serves as a peer - to - peer group to help one another resolve any queries that arise on a day to day basis.

Having got that out of the way I can say with almost 100% certainty that migrating your Group from Yahoo will provide you and your members with a greatly improved collective experience. Everything on your list would be transferred across*, but (and it's an important but) you might well find that you need a paid - for group rather than a free one because of the respective storage limits each type of group provides; see /static/pricing for further and better particulars about what each of the three flavours of group has to offer.

* Unless something at Yahoo stops it happening; if you cannot view things at the moment then whatever is causing that might prevent Groups.io carrying out a complete transfer.

Chris


 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:28 AM, <jonesmi3774@...> wrote:
That move would have to include everything (membership, conversations, files, photos, attachments, and everything else).
A transfer won't include attachments.? You should read through the procedure at /yahootransfer, as well as checking the WIki pages on this group, beginning with /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups
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One thing I'd check on for your group is the amount of storage used by Photos.? It sounds like you may be using a lot, so you'll want to make sure they'll fit here.? You do have the option of automatically reducing the size when they're transferred, if that won't make them unusable for your purposes.

I think you'll find that folks here will be glad to help you figure out the details to make the transfer as easy as possible.

Duane
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:47 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
you might well find that you need a paid - for group rather than a free one
As of February 13, 2019, all transfers require a Premium group for at least one year.? I believe Mark did this after the last YG! glitch to make it worthwhile to spend the time figuring out how to make things work again.

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Really? Is that true? That will effectively put the kybosh on moving many other Yahoo Groups here.


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On 11 Mar 2019, at 13:52, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

As of February 13, 2019, all transfers require a Premium group for at least one year.? I believe Mark did this after the last YG! glitch to make it worthwhile to spend the time figuring out how to make things work again.


 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:05 PM, UKenGB wrote:
Really? Is that true?
Yes. See https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/29746177#19795
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:05 AM, UKenGB wrote:
Really? Is that true?
Yes, more information in the topic

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On 3/11/2019 11:56 AM, UKenGB wrote:
Really? Is that true? That will effectively put the kybosh on moving many other Yahoo Groups here.
When I moved a group last year (before Mark introduced the charge for all transfers), I had to pay for a year of Premium in order to transfer the message archive of 600,000 emails. I put this to the list, and everyone was so sick of Yahoo that I could have raised the $110 from member contributions on just the first day.

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Ken,


Really? Is that true? That will effectively put the kybosh on moving many other Yahoo Groups here.

As Duane and Bruce pointed out, there is now the requirement to pre-pay one year of Premium in order to use the Easy Group Transfer method. After that year your group can be allowed to automatically revert to Basic (free) if you decide not to extend the Premium service.

If there's any value to the time and effort it will save you, then it is a very good deal. Also, it goes to support Groups.io as a product - which does not have advertising or other means of support. No ads, none of the tracking and use of your personal information that goes with advertising.

OTOH, you can still DIY the transfer for free. You'll have to copy the content of your Yahoo Group yourself and upload it yourself. Downloading your Y!Group can be made easier by use of 's PG Offline product.

For the members list you can invite them for free, or for one month of Premium ($10) you can use the Direct Add feature.

Shal

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Mike,


We have a members-only Yahoo group that has developed a major problem, in that we can't post or view photos on it.?

The one bit of bad news is that if you can't access your Yahoo Group's photos, there's a good chance that the Easy Group Transfer agent won't be able to either. So your transfer might not include your archive of Photos.

The good news is that if the Yahoo Group's Photos section does become available again you can re-run the transfer and select to transfer only the Photos section.

Yahoo Help shows a very large number of complaints about the photo problem, and they apparently seem totally content to not fix it.
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Yahoo Groups has been officially unsupported for a few years now. That said, the operations people over there have been fixing things like message delivery and access problems with Files and Photos, but not always promptly.

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Anyone can still start a new group and invite members?from the Y group to join.
The auto transfer will just not happen?without being a premium member.?
Leeni
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Really? Is that true? That will effectively put the kybosh on moving many other Yahoo Groups here.


Ken ?G i l l e t t
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Some (not all) members had issues w/ the YahCHOO! Photos, but they transferred ok (well the newest, ran out of space with the free service). ?
Not transferring the attachments is a major P.I.T.A. because so many of the prior posts are basically useless w/o the associated pix or whatever. I have gone back to YahCHOO! and downloaded the original pix in a very few instances on an as-needed basis.?
IO is miles better than before but unfortunately not bullet proof or a panecea (yet, but ever-improving.)


 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 05:27 PM, Leeni wrote:
Anyone can still start a new group and invite members?from the Y group to join.
Perfectly true, but that is not what the OP wants to do, and if attempted could prove really troublesome, If done (in his case) it would mean leaving all the photos and files languishing on Yahoo. Any subsequent attempt to upload the existing material from Yahoo would effectively orphan all the files & photos because their originating members were not part of the upload.

Not to be recommended IMHO. In any case one year's Premium payment is hardly going to break the bank.

Chris


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Thanks for clarifying that
My experience with Y groups was the photos never showed up correctly anyway.
They never showed up in messages when gone back to look at them from the message archives there.
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 05:27 PM, Leeni wrote:
Anyone can still start a new group and invite members?from the Y group to join.
Perfectly true, but that is not what the OP wants to do, and if attempted could prove really troublesome, If done (in his case) it would mean leaving all the photos and files languishing on Yahoo. Any subsequent attempt to upload the existing material from Yahoo would effectively orphan all the files & photos because their originating members were not part of the upload.

Not to be recommended IMHO. In any case one year's Premium payment is hardly going to break the bank.

Chris
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Not to be recommended IMHO. In any case one year's Premium payment is hardly going to break the bank.

Chris

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Yes it would in our case. We’re club with no budget. Started with OneList, transitioned to YahooGroups!, both were free.

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BobS.

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Who you kidding 20 guys at $5

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 4:07 PM Robert Schechter <robert.schechter@...> wrote:

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Yes it would in our case. We’re club with no budget. Started with OneList, transitioned to YahooGroups!, both were free.

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 09:28 AM, <jonesmi3774@...> wrote:
I'd like to discuss moving our group to Groups.io.? That move would have to include everything (membership, conversations, files, photos, attachments, and everything else).? How would we proceed?
The transfer is a fairly straightforward process, although some folks seem to struggle with it anyway.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8697?for step-by-step instructions that are perhaps more detailed than those in the transfer page. With fewer groups moving now, I suspect your wait times will be considerably shorter than they were 6 months to a year ago.

My main group is also for an astronomical society, and we transferred a little over a year ago. Although we do not use the Premium features, we pay for it anyway, as an investment in the future of groups.io. The service here is so much better than Y!G that there is no comparison, and we appreciate the ad-free approach found here, especially compared to the train wreck introduced with NEO.

I guess you could say that we're still on our groups.io honeymoon.

Regards,
Bruce
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Not to be recommended IMHO. In any case one year's Premium
payment is hardly going to break the bank.

Chris
Yes it would in our case. We’re club with no budget. Started
with OneList, transitioned to YahooGroups!, both were free.

BobS.
Note that Mark Fletcher, the creator of groups.io, is also the original creator of onelist some 20+ years ago. The concept of making money from the site is at the heart of what wrested control from Mark and, arguably, has brought Yahoo Groups to what it is today. Maintaining some control for the creator and the users, who provide that content, is one of the important things that groups.io is adamant about. That means that those users who consume a lot of resources pay something up front.

I believe that saying a club has no budget is a straw man. There are many groups with anonymous benefactors or donors, and many others who can readily find donors. When the two groups that I made Premium found out there was a cost, I had more than enough spontaneous offers to pay for several years at once for both groups. I opted to cover the expense myself for now, using the monthly billing option, but I understand some owners may not be able to do that. There are a great many things in life that go unhad, simply for the lack of asking.

If there are truly absolutely no funds available, it's still relatively simple to transfer a group manually. However the cost for Premium for a year is much, much less than the labor of moving a group manually.

Dano