Changing group owners #groupowner #howto
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Select the member from the Member list by clicking on the row anyplace other than the box.? On the details page, Select the Role for the member from the drop down list.? Scroll to the bottom and select Save.
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 11:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Am I safe in presuming this works "in reverse" too?? ?That is, once one has been named owner of a group, you can take away owner from the existing owner?Yes, an owner has full privileges and can use any function.? There may be as many owners as you want, as well as moderators.? Personally, I wouldn't want more than 2 or 3 owners (or mods with the ability to set Mod Priv) due to the possibility of a 'turf war', but can understand having the capability as on Shalstest that's used to test/verify things. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 11:26 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
how one transfers ownershipIt's also touched on in the Roles section of /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List? It seems super simple, so maybe that's why there's not more documentation.? If I want to transfer ownership to you, I make you an owner, then demote myself to member (or leave the group.) Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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I think Mark would be the first to admit that groups.io site documentation has failed to keep pace with feature development. This is largely because the entire groups.io site is still in the beta phase...that's why we still have a "beta group." Those of us who rely on groups.io for day-to-day use too easily lose sight of that.
I'm hoping that as both site documentation and the groups.io app near completion, we will exit the beta phase and things will subsequently be rolled out in a more coordinated (if slower) fashion. Meanwhile, we are indebted to those who have taken their own time and energy to create and maintain GMF wiki entries. I'm sure those will be a valuable resource for the technical writer, at least initially. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Brian,
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While the actions may be simple, finding them is not, or it sure is *&%$ not for me, and I'm a "digger."? ?
Perhaps part of the problem you and others have had was that the semantics of "changing the owner" or "transferring ownership" puts one on the wrong foot for spotting the capability. There isn't a "the" owner, nor is there a single function to "transfer" the role from one person to another. There is just the Role option in each member's page (from the Members list).
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You're not the first and undoubtedly won't be the last to have missed that function. Moderators coming in from Yahoo Groups tend to see it as "obvious" because that system has the very same Role mechanism, but that doesn't mean that it is obvious..
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I'm not entirely certain how to improve matters, in this case or in the more general case of? a mismatch between a user's mental model and the system's design. Such mismatches are a common impediment to discoverability, in both the live system and the formal documentation. It is difficult for a developer or a tech writer to even imagine the set of all users' initial (naive, in the non-derogatory sense) mental models.
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As a point solution to this question, it sounds like the Member Management subheading in GMF's wiki could use an item named "Change or Transfer Ownership", together with a backing page.
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Having to run around to various group wikis, including the one for this on, is no reasonable or logical way to create formal documentation.? ?
I disagree. It may not be a reasonable substitute for formal documentation, but the world isn't reasonable (resources are always constrained) so crowd-sourced documentation, informal though it may be, is both a reasonable and logical accommodation to that reality.
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I'm glad that Mark is finally getting to the stage where he thinks things are stable enough, and the service mature enough, to do what mature services do. ?
Agreed. I'm eager to see how, and how soon, this unfolds.
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I've no idea what form the new manual will take (presumably not the traditional paper-bound tome), but I expect that GMF's wiki will continue to be a valuable resource, even as some of its content is replaced by citations to the new primary source material.
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Brian, Let's not get into semantic hair splitting.? What is under discussion is FORMAL documentation, the lack thereof, and the patchwork nature of what is available for Groups.io, ... I'm not trying to split hairs, I simply don't understand what you mean by "patchwork nature". As far as I'm aware the entirety of the formal documentation for Groups.io exists on one page, the Help page. ? it's a bad situation all around. That's true, and I'm certainly not going to defend the status quo as being adequate. I think I was pretty clear in agreeing with you that Groups.io's decision to create something they're willing to call a manual is A Good Thing. But, back to your original point at the start of your message.? I can assure you, in my case, it wasn't the terminology that was confusing.? I know that a group can have multiple owners and moderators and that as far as ownership goes it can be reassigned, broadened, or removed.? ?It is just in no way intuitively obvious how to do it. I'll simply take your word on that. My prior experience with Yahoo Groups makes it impossible for me to see Groups.io's pages through the eyes of someone not steeped in that background. I am curious what initially eluded you. Was it the location of the control (the need to open the member's page from the Members list)? Or the purpose of the Role option on that page? Or something else? I'm not asking to pick at you, but for my understanding (and possible wiki explanation). Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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