Very recently on several groups.io lists I moderate, I am seeing list members with aol.com e-mail addresses unsubscribed (groups.io e-mail flagged as spam by their e-mail provider), most immediately rejoin with the same?AOL e-mail address.??

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About a month ago Oath?blocked e-mail?delivery to my aol e-mail account unless I took the OATH pledge to hold Oath blameless no matter what.??I took the Oath pledge and my e-mail delivery resumed.

For those unfamiliar with Oath; it is a new company created after Verizon acquired Yahoo and AOL.? It's business plan is as a mobile media provider and to?date it has been unclear about plans of YahooGroups and the e-mail providers it acquired.? What has been clear recently is that Oath has gone from dormant to aggressive.? They certainly have the ability to identify Oath customers who have left Oath for lists on Google, Facebook, and groups.io? ?Of those three list host competitors, groups.io is definitely the weakest and most vulnerable.? And if your e-mail provider is now part of Oath or controlled by Oath and you haven't taken the Oath pledge; Oath's current action may seem like harassment.

I fully understand those who won't take the Oath pledge, when as a list owner on YahooGroups, I refused; However delivery of my AOL e-mail was a different story and I surrendered.? If you do not want to take the Oath pledge, I recommend getting a non-Oath e-mail account and using that for your list membership on groups.io

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Ken -- Where can one find this "Oath pledge?" When I type it into a search engine I get all kinds of stuff about the flag.

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Oath has been requiring users to accept a new privacy agreement, pledging to hold Oath blameless for any misuse of your personal information stored by Oath.? Oath would not let me access my?AOL e-mail until I accepted? the new privacy agreement; holding them blameless in the future.? It has appeared several times as a pop-up.? I ignored it when it happened with lists on YahooGroups; however in order to continue using my AOL mail account I had to pledge to hold them blameless; hence the Oath Pledge, as others have called it.

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Oh that's a dandy -

"JURY TRIAL WAIVER. IF FOR ANY REASON A DISPUTE PROCEEDS IN COURT RATHER THAN THROUGH ARBITRATION, YOU AND OATH AGREE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A JURY TRIAL. YOU AND OATH UNCONDITIONALLY WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY IN ANY ACTION, PROCEEDING OR COUNTERCLAIM IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THESE TERMS. IN THE EVENT OF LITIGATION, THIS PARAGRAPH MAY BE FILED TO SHOW A WRITTEN CONSENT TO A TRIAL BY THE COURT."

Big capital letters in bold.

I have my doubts that clause can stand in the face of US law.?

I just signed into my AOL account and it did nag me about the new TOS. I clicked "I'll do this later" and it let me in. If it ever won't bypass that I will not use that account, just let it remain on their books. Maybe I'll give the address out to a bunch of spammers to keep them busy.

At any rate, my advice is to just get a gmail account. They don't try to give you the news, they redirect you to basic HTML if you have an old browser, which is absolutely fine with me. If I want more features I will seek them out. Their privacy agreement is more like a not privacy agreement. If they all start this, I will see if someone with a server who can handle an email account will let me use it. OK they might charge me but i beats this, even if he wants such an agreement. I do not like Yahoo, and I quit AOL but still have the email because they kept on removing features I used. They used to have hosting, it went away. They used to have Usenet access, it went away. What's more I had their broadband which was $ 55 a month. I got two words for them, the first one starts with "F" and the second one is "themselves".

I wonder what hotrmail is like...

If Oath think that would enable them to ignore the requirements of GDPR they
are sadly mistaken. I have no doubt that any EU court would dismiss such a
pledge as legally null and void.

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On 19 Jun 2018 at 16:02, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim Fisher wrote:

If Oath think that would enable them to ignore the requirements of GDPR
they
are sadly mistaken. I have no doubt that any EU court would dismiss such a
pledge as legally null and void.

The GDPR is such a deep rabbit-hole I'd rather not go down it on behalf of
every third-party company we use.

Oath is only relevant here because some of us and our group members may be
using Oath-brand email services (Yahoo Mail, AOL). Whatever follies may
ensue from Oath's (lack of) understanding of the GDPR, hopefully the
fallout for our groups would be limited to members wishing to change
addresses.

Shal

Thank you for that so courteous and gentle admonishment for going off topic.

Jim

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