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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWe transferred to groups io from Y! recently and we have 50+ members in blue Bounce status. I¡¯ve read a number of posts here on managing bouncers and have come up with the following observations and plan. If I¡¯m wrong in my observations or anyone has ideas on improving on the plan, I¡¯d appreciate comments. Observations: ¡¤???????? Blue Bouncers with No Email delivery may well be perfectly content¡ª they operate from the online site and don¡¯t care about email. Bouncing is not desirable because we may not be able to contact them if an issue arises, but they are receiving service. ¡¤???????? Blue Bouncers with digest or single email delivery are not receiving the service they signed up for, although they may still be reading online and not be aware that they should be receiving email. ¡¤???????? Red Bouncers of any stripe are unreachable, but they might still be reading online. Plan: ¡¤???????? Blue Bouncers with digest or single email delivery have first priority for me. o?? Send out a mass email by checking them on the membership list and using the send message activity to ask them to check their spam folders and their spam blacklist. If they still want to participate, but our group address on their spam whitelist by adding us to their address book or explicitly to their whitelist. If they are no longer interested in the group, invite them to unsubscribe. Note that this message may not make it through their spam filter, but it¡¯s easy so why not try? o?? Post a message to the list that requests members who think they ought to be receiving emails to check spam as above. This may hit a few more bouncers. This may also help address blue bouncing no-emailers and red bouncers. o?? Follow up by forcing a probe in a few days. o?? Follow up in a few days by downloading the remaining blue bouncers list to a spreadsheet and doing a mailmerge. Send the mailmerge from a non-groups io address in hope that it will make it through the spam filters. ¡¤???????? Blue bouncer with no-email. Second priority. o?? They are handled by posting a message to the list. ¡¤???????? Red bouncers o?? Posting to the list might help. Questions ¡¤???????? When, if ever, to start unsubscribing non-responsive bouncers? List hygiene says bouncers are an untidiness and inflate and confuse metrics, but there is still a chance that they are receiving service. ¡¤???????? I understand the system will eventually automatically unsubscribe red bouncers. If we have reason to believe a member is receiving service and is still reading the site, can this be prevented? ? Thank you. I appreciate your experience and knowledge if you comment. Best, Marv Waschke, Technical moderator, [email protected] |
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:58 pm, Marv Waschke wrote:
I understand the system will eventually automatically unsubscribe red bouncers.As far as I know, the only people that get automatically unsubscribed are those that mark a message as spam.? A red-bounce won't get any emails until they clear the problem, but they shouldn't get unsubscribed. Duane |
Except that to read messages on line they must have set up a password,
which involves email confirmation. Dave On 6 Feb 2018 at 12:18, Marv Waschke wrote: * Blue Bouncers with No Email delivery may well be perfectly |
The problem I see with your plan is that if their email is bouncing they won't receive your mass email to them. I agree with you about cleaning out non-working addresses. Here is the plan I have devised.
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- If the bouncing address is for someone I know and/or I have an alternate means of contacting them, then check with them about the issue. - Otherwise wait until they are changed to Bounced (a red B) from Bouncing (a blue B). - At that point send an email directly to their address. - If this email bounces remove them from the list. - If it doesn't bounce then leave them on the list and wait for their response. - If more than 15 days have passed and the address hasn't been changed to Bounced (a red B), but is still marked as Bouncing (a blue B), send an email to try to figure out what the problem might be. (Sometimes it takes a bit more than 15 days for the change to happen.) When I first moved my lists to Groups.io there were several bouncing members. Probably close to 10%. Almost all had a reason for bouncing of "invalid address" or something similar. My impression is that Yahoo hadn't been marking bouncing subscribers for some time and so quite a few had accumulated. All of them eventually turned red and I made a special attempt to contact them which failed and they have been removed. Now things have settled down with only the very occasional bouncing address. Jonathan On 2/6/2018 2:18 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:
We transferred to groups io from Y! recently and we have 50+ members in blue Bounce status. I¡¯ve read a number of posts here on managing bouncers and have come up with the following observations and plan. If I¡¯m wrong in my observations or anyone has ideas on improving on the plan, I¡¯d appreciate comments. |
We have about 15% bouncing, which is in the same ballpark. Y! had only a small handful. We had? members on Y! over the past year whose address appeared to have been mangled and I had to help the members correct their address. The address field looked like a chunk of raw memory to me. At first I thought of a cautious person generating a random string for an email address, but it was not in address form and I did not think our members would have the technical sophistication to do something like that, especially since they did not seem to be aware that their address had changed. The cause was unclear, but I guessed that it might be some errant maintenance on Y! Whatever the reason, it might be related to the number of bouncers on groups io. Maybe not.
Waiting until the go red makes sense to me. Problem sometimes correct themselves. (Not that often!) Best, Marv |
I didn't notice any of the mangled email addresses. It is true that many of the bouncing addresses appeared to be Yahoo addresses, but as far as I can recall they all had messages such as "no longer has an account" or words to that effect.
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Jonathan On 2/7/2018 1:13 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:
We have about 15% bouncing, which is in the same ballpark. Y! had only a small handful. We had? members on Y! over the past year whose address appeared to have been mangled and I had to help the members correct their address. The address field looked like a chunk of raw memory to me. At first I thought of a cautious person generating a random string for an email address, but it was not in address form and I did not think our members would have the technical sophistication to do something like that, especially since they did not seem to be aware that their address had changed. The cause was unclear, but I guessed that it might be some errant maintenance on Y! Whatever the reason, it might be related to the number of bouncers on groups io. Maybe not. |
Nancy in Renton
Weekly I go to members and scroll through the members list. When I come across a B (bouncer) I click on that person, page down to the bottom and click to send a bouncing probe.?
When I first started there were many blue Bs, today 1 blue and 1 red. I copied the email addy and am sending her an email, since it¡¯s a name I recognize I¡¯ll also ask group members if she¡¯s changed her email. (She was on full digest). Nancy |
To save a bit of time you can go to the "Members" pull down menu at the top of the Members list page and select "Bouncing". This will display all of the Bouncing or Bounced members in your group so you don't have to scroll through the entire list.
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Jonathan On 2/8/2018 10:27 AM, Nancy in Renton wrote:
Weekly I go to members and scroll through the members list. When I come across a B (bouncer) I click on that person, page down to the bottom and click to send a bouncing probe. |
Nancy,
One of my two red Bs answered, she didn¡¯t change email, she¡¯s nowI don't know if that alone should have changed her from red to blue, but I suppose it might have. What does she do?While her status is blue B ("bouncing") Groups.io will periodically send her a notification. She should respond to one of them - that will take her out of bounce processing altogether. Now what, wait ?1) Click on her row in the Bouncing list (anywhere except the checkbox) and then click the Email Delivery History button at the top. This should provide information about why her email address is deemed to be bouncing. Under Recent Bounces, the Reason column will include the three-digit code and text explanation provided to Groups.io by her email service. For example, one of the red B ("bounced") addresses here in GMF has this Reason: "550 5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary spaces. Learn more at /mail/?p=NoSuchUser w16-v6si1314530plp.276 - gsmtp" In this case it is pretty clear that I'd be unable to contact that person off-list, not unless I knew another means of contact. 1a) In your member's case the Reason might indicate something that could be fixed. You could copy that and send it to her so that she can inquire about it with tech support for her email service. 2) Tell her to look for notifications from Groups.io in her spam folder or anywhere else her email service may be delivering them. 3) Optionally, manually send her another bounce probe. Shal -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list |
J_Catlady
That message does not seem to be coming from . On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nancy in Renton <sday13@...> wrote: The message is?550 5.1.1 Not our Customer.?To me that means she isn¡¯t a member but she is. She is using the same email she always has and I¡¯ve sent 8 bouncing probes over the past week. |
Nancy,
The message is?550 5.1.1 Not our Customer.?To me that means she isn¡¯t a member but she is. What J said. "Our" in that context means the email service. They're telling you that address is not in use at their service. ? She is using the same email she always has and I¡¯ve sent 8 bouncing probes over the past week. Nevertheless, look carefully for a typo in the email address.
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhy not try to Invite her or do a Direct Add and see what happens? ? Don ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy in Renton ? The message is?550 5.1.1 Not our Customer.?To me that means she isn¡¯t a member but she is. She is using the same email she always has and I¡¯ve sent 8 bouncing probes over the past week. |