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Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Matty Smith
 

Hi
Many thnaks for the response. Just a further question-many if our members have a Yahoo email address to access the Yahoo Group but they have other email addresss which they would prefer to use to access a new group. If they joined the test Group.io what would happen if we then migrated? They would be in Groups.io with one email address and in Yahoo with another.
Thanks
Matty
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

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I¡¯m in the same situation as you are as an owner of a Yahoo Groups site, and I have already been working on getting our new home ready for transfer. I got our Groups.io group set up first as a really bare bones site, then I invited my one other moderator so we could get a feel for what it will be like. We uploaded a file, a few pictures, worked on making some links in the Wiki page, made settings changes, and studied the differences between the two sites. We also joined GFM to learn what we could, and came to the conclusion Groups.io would be a viable option to move our group too. There are differences for sure between the two sites, and I¡¯m hoping in time Groups.io will improve things. The biggest short comings to me are no regular links page that allows for folders, and the inability to reorder pictures. What I understand about members that you invited to join the test group, is when the transfer is done those members will still be in the new site.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matty Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

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Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty

Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

our group has been moved from yahoo to groups.io just 4 days ago, but the site was set up a week before and 7 of us tested it. Our members are absolutely thrilled at how much easier groups.io is. But it is important for some of your group to test it, if only to learn what is a bit different in areas you will face right away. Not wrong, just different.

Barb Jones


From: Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: [GMF] Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

On 18 Jan 2018 at 12:42, Shal Farley wrote:

Dave,

> I notice looking at the source that it has gone through HTML Tidy, >
which presumably Mark uses to tidy up problem HTML code.

I'm not seeing "tidy" in the view source, either in GMF's archive or in
Thunderbird. So what is it that tells you this?

Interesting. When I view the source in Pegasus Mail I agree, the
reference to HTML Tidy is not there. But when I then click on 'open
message in browser' and view the source in Palemoon it has added it at
the start of the header:
<META name=generator content="HTML Tidy for Windows (vers 25 March
2009), see www.w3.org">
I assume Pegasus is adding it when it sends it to the browser. So
ignore this comment, it is not relevant to the original problem.

Note that I have enabled this group to send attachments as links. There
are 3 attachments, presumably to do with the border etc, so I don't
actually see the border. Yet another variable in the melting pot
(although you could have configured Yahoogroups to do the same, but
only on a group wide setting not individually like we can do here).

Dave
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

J_Catlady
 

No, no problem there. They will simply be noted as already being members and the transfer won't touch them.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...> wrote:
Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

Dave,

I notice looking at the source that it has gone through HTML Tidy,
which presumably Mark uses to tidy up problem HTML code.
I'm not seeing "tidy" in the view source, either in GMF's archive or in Thunderbird. So what is it that tells you this?

I believe that the web presentation in Groups.io's Messages pages are "sanitized" by some form of HTML scrubber to guard against exploits. I think Mark has mentioned that in the past. But I don't know if that applies to the message bodies sent through as individual email messages.

I appreciate some of you do use Incredimail ...
I've never understood it, but there are whole communities devoted to sharing Incredimail stationary and other artwork. But then, I'm not into crafting or scrapbooking either...

Another example of how "one size does not fit all".

Shal
Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Matty Smith
 

Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty
Re: Missing messages

J_Catlady
 

I also think the reason it doesn't happen with yahoo is that they are not up to date on email protocols and are not subject to this..or something...?

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:29 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This is a huge problem recently and I just re-notified my group about it.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:10 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann



Re: Missing messages

J_Catlady
 

This is a huge problem recently and I just re-notified my group about it.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:10 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

Anita,

I am sending a border here to see if it comes out ok. If I view the
letter at my yahoo account email it does not look strange.
That's interesting.

In Gmail's interface (via Firefox) I see the text only, no background or border. But the text is indented as if the border was there, and scrolls normally. In both preview and "In new window".

In Groups.io's interface (again via Firefox) I also see text only, but in this case not indented, black not colored. And the scroll bar works normally.

In Thunderbird (on Win10) I see text, background and border. The background looks like a repeating pattern of bare tree limbs, slightly blurred and faded. The border looks like a footbridge in a winter setting. However: no scroll bars. To read the whole message I have to use the zoom function to shrink the text.

Three different interfaces, three different renderings of the same message. Gotta love HTML.

Of note, GMF's settings don't imply any alteration of the message HTML. That is:

|_| Force HTML Emails
|_| Normalize HTML Emails
|_| Plain Text Only

are all unchecked.

So as far as using Incredimail is concerned, I think the appropriate summary is "Your Mileage May Vary".

I have decided for now to go back to yahoogroups. Not just for the
graphic problem but because my members got upset when they got deleted
for letters going into their spam and they would not rejoin.
I've addressed that in your other topic, but the short of it is that feature isn't likely to change anytime soon.
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/member_got_deleted/8132752

Shal
Re: Missing messages

 

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I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason groups.io is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since groups.io is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann

Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

mike,

A google search finds 98,600
That's... incredible.

Actually, the "site:groups.io incredimail" finds "about 71 results" when I tried it. And those results are not all group home pages, some of them are messages in groups with public archives.

Still, even a handful would have been more than I would have expected to mention Incredimail on their home page.

Shal
Re: Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

 

Thanks Duane - that was my thought as well so at least I know I'm not off the rails on that.
But - I'm helping a group transition and we're "in training". I've got one gal doing great learning to be a moderator, but for the love of us she can open but not close a chat. The gray management box that should open in the chat title list just isn't there. We've put her into two different subgroups and it's the same thing. If I make her an owner, then she gets the options box.

I've gone back to both her settings and the group settings to double check everything, and that's when I stumbled (in group settings) that the control says "who can START new chats - doesn't say anything about "managing" them. As strange as it may seem, it would appear that it's on purpose and only an owner can close or delete, given that statement.


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:48 am, Duane wrote:
They should be able to close, edit, or delete them as well.
Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

That looks fine, but although the plain text part is fine I have no
scrollbar on the HTML part (both in Pegasus Mail and when opened in my
browser Palemoon) so I cannot see all the post.

I notice looking at the source that it has gone through HTML Tidy,
which presumably Mark uses to tidy up problem HTML code. Maybe that has
corrected something with unintended consequences.

I appreciate some of you do use Incredimail but I remember years ago
when it first came out that it was jokingly called 'incredibly bad
mail'. You can hardly blame these issues on Groups.io which is only
trying to sort out what it has been sent. You must address this with
Incredimail.

Dave

On 18 Jan 2018 at 12:09, atinalee@... via Groups wrote:

Shal and Mike thanks.

It is not a incredimail problem and their support is not great.
Incredimail is working great for me in yahoogroups.

I am sending a border here to see if it comes out ok. If I view the
letter at my yahoo account email it does not look strange. It seems to
be viewing in incredimail with iogroups that is distorted. Some graphics
without borders will come out ok.

I have decided for now to go back to yahoogroups. Not just for the
graphic problem but because my members got upset when they got deleted
for letters going into their spam and they would not rejoin.

I really cant have that.

I am still keeping my group here until I can figure things out. For now
I need to get my members not upset.

I have been in touch with yahoo support and they are working on some
problems now. Actually it was verizon.

They wrote me 3 letters already right away the day I sent them.

I have some faith. I wish everyone good luck here. I might come back at
some point if members would not get deleted.

Thanks again.

Anita

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Members not receiving invitations #issue

 

I have a couple of people who say they are not receiving their group invitations.? They are from different providers, so it's not (say) a Hotmail issue or such.? ? ?

I'm working with the users to see if it might be in a spam folder or some other way misfiled - but thought I would ask the group if others have had instances of invitees saying they are not getting invitations.

thanks

- John Mc
Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

I use incredimail with no problems?
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-------Original Message-------
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Date: 1/18/2018 8:24:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: HTML)
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I would have gone to incredimail support as well.
It can't hurt.
But you have to provide exact details and more information.
Don't just say fix it.
You may have to use a work around.
What are the other groups.io groups doing differently?
Join one and see if it is your settings.
There are many groups that use incredimail.
A google search finds 98,600
Try these searches
groups.io incredimail
or better yet
site:groups.io incredimail

mike
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Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

I seem to remember seeing problems reported with Incredimail back in the
1990s, presumably due to dubious HTML coding and incompaitbility with mail
readers.

It seems nothing's changed. I didn't know people still used it.

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Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 
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Shal and Mike thanks.
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It is not a incredimail problem and their support is not great. Incredimail is working great for me in yahoogroups.
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I am sending a border here to see if it comes out ok. If I view the letter at my yahoo account email it does not look strange. It seems to be viewing in incredimail with iogroups that is distorted. Some graphics without borders will come out ok.
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I have decided for now to go back to yahoogroups. Not just for the graphic problem but because my members got upset when they got deleted for letters going into their spam and they would not rejoin.
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I really cant have that.
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I am still keeping my group here until I can figure things out.? For now I need to get my members not upset.
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I have been in touch with yahoo support and they are working on some problems now. Actually it was verizon.
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They wrote me 3 letters already right away the day I sent them.
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I have some faith. I wish everyone good luck here. I might come back at some point if members would not get deleted.
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Re: Missing messages

 

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One reason groups.io is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since groups.io is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann

Re: Photo Album Sorting

Nancy in Renton
 

It was just brought to my attention by one of my members that she can¡¯t SAVE her sort. So she sorts then numbers 1, 2, 3 to order her pictures and when she comes back later they have gone back and out of order.

i see this request I¡¯m using to answer is a year old. Any update... progress on sorting and moderating?
Nancy
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