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Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 08:47 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
What do you mean by ?must be an admin¡° ?
An Owner, or Moderator with sufficient permissions.

I looked at a group where I¡®m the owner, that¡®s obviously not the same as ?admin¡° as I didn¡®t find an export option when showing the hashtags used.
Go to Admin=>Preferences=>Export Group. You can download the hashtags there.
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Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

Hi Herbert,
Did you see the options for hashtags
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1) Messages can be tagged with new hashtags¡­
Messages from members can only be tagged with existing hashtags, ¡­
2) ¡­ - otherwise the message is bounced
3) ¡­ - new hashtags will be removed
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I believe options 2 and 3 mean that members can only use existing hashtags, new hashtags can only be added by moderators/owners.
This would mean that any new hashtag must be requested from the group moderators, something you tried to avoid. It¡®s a bit tedious, but would help to avoid a flood of hashtags.

Maybe an additional option would help - saying messages with new hashtags will be moderated? Could be useful for groups like your¡®s where hashtags are mandatory, and option 3 wouldn¡®t work.
Kind regards
Thomas


Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

Hi Duane,
You say

Another option would be to Export only the hashtags of your group (must be an admin). This will be a zip file that contains the hashtag info in json format. One of the entries for each is "topic_count". You'd need to write a small program to read/sort that data. It does include the alias info, but I haven't quite figured out how it's stored.
What do you mean by ?must be an admin¡° ? I looked at a group where I¡®m the owner, that¡®s obviously not the same as ?admin¡° as I didn¡®t find an export option when showing the hashtags used. Does that mean an admin of the groups.io system overall?
Kind regards
Thomas


Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 03:16 AM, Herbert Eppel wrote:
I note that this group also has a list of top 10 hashtags listed at /g/GroupManagersForum, although it isn't clear to me how this list came about
The list is automatically created by the site as hashtags are used/created.
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It's not as clear cut as you might like, but you can actually see how many times each hashtag has been used.? As an example, go to the GMF home page, scroll down to the hashtag section, then click on See All.? That should take you to the list of hashtags available on the group.? For the next step, I find it easier to use the List View, though you can see the same information in the Gallery View.? Next to each hashtag, you'll see a number for how many topics use that tag, so you could make a list, say in a spreadsheet, that you could sort on this number.? You may also see some that have the NO symbol (slashed circle) that means it's not available to regular members, only admins.? In the GMF list, there are a couple that have aliases (hashtag, right arrow, hashtags is an example) where any topics that used #hashtag have been changed to #hashtags.? See the manual, then click on the Alias link.? You might want to use something like this to limit the number of hashtags on your group.
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Another option would be to Export only the hashtags of your group (must be an admin).? This will be a zip file that contains the hashtag info in json format.? One of the entries for each is "topic_count".? You'd need to write a small program to read/sort that data.? It does include the alias info, but I haven't quite figured out how it's stored.
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Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 09:16 AM, Herbert Eppel wrote:
I note that this group also has a list of top 10 hashtags listed at /g/GroupManagersForum, although it isn't clear to me how this list came about
The top 10 hashtags are listed on each group home page (assuming the group uses them) so it's just part of the system as it stands. It's not a feature you can turn on or off (Enterprise groups can customise more details so may well be able to do so).
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As you said, there must be some functionality in the system that produces this list so you may wish to post in beta to request it be extended in some way.? I suspect many people who use the Groups.io site to view messages just go straight there via a bookmarked link rather than view the group home page so they would bypass the information. Other members, of course, just communicate with Groups.io via email so they wouldn't see the details either.
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Andy


Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

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Thanks to Bruce and Chris for the helpful replies, and sorry for the delay in responding.

In my original message I said: "The assumption was that the most common hashtags would prevail, while odd ones would fall by the wayside", in response to which Bruce said: "An unrealistic assumption, IMHO. For what it's worth, there is no provision for hashtags to 'expire' due to disuse". Just to clarify: I wasn't expecting unused hashtags to expire as such, I just meant they would linger at the bottom of the list, if it was possible to list them by frequency

Bruce also pointed out that the 10 most used hashtags are listed on the group's home page, which I wasn't really aware of, so thanks for drawing my attention to this. On further reflection, although I'm not a programmer, the fact that the top 10 hashtags are listed would suggest that the ability to list hashtags by frequency appears to be already built into the system, so hopefully it wouldn't require rocket science to extend the list from the top 10 to all the hashtags or the top 20 or 30 or whatever? But I may be missing something.

Bruce also suggested that it would be a good suggestion for the beta group. I'm surprised it hasn't already been suggested, but if this is indeed the case, I would be happy to do so.

As Chris implied, it seems clear that, as it stands, the hashtag 'experiment' in the group I was referring to has essentially failed, in the sense that the purpose isn't being achieved, due to: a) the current lack of the ability to list hashtags by frequency, and b) the problem of excessive variants for essentially the same hashtag that Chris pointed out.

By the way, I note that this group also has a list of top 10 hashtags listed at /g/GroupManagersForum, although it isn't clear to me how this list came about

Thanks again.

Herbert Eppel


On 24/04/2025 10:08, Herb Eppel wrote:

In one of the groups I manage we recently introduced mandatory hashtags, although members can create their own hashtags, rather than having to choose from a predefined list.

The assumption was that the most common hashtags would prevail, while odd ones would fall by the wayside. In reality we ended up with more than 300 hashtags, many of them not particularly meaningful and only used once.

I assumed there would be an option to list hashtags by frequency, but this doesn't seem to be the case, as evidenced by the attached screenshot. In other words, the only sorting options I can see are "Name" (i.e. alphabetical or reverse alphabetical) and "Duration" (not sure what this actually does).

Without an option to list the chaotic plethora of hashtags by frequency, the system doesn't seem particularly useful for our group. Am I missing something?

Thank you.

Herbert Eppel


Re: Bouncing probe #bouncing #access

 

On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 11:00 PM, Bruce C (aka Yogi) wrote:
I will look further in the help center. He¡¯s had this account for years with no problems.
If he knows how to log in, tell him to do so and then go to /settings/bounces? That should at least give you a clue.
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For mail delivery from your own group, you can also check his email delivery history. /helpcenter/manual/ownersmanual/accounts/accounts_bouncing.htm?
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It's often something simple, like a full mailbox.
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Regards,
Bruce


Premium Trial now available to all #pricing

 

From this week's Changelog:
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April 24, 2025:

  • NEW:?Free groups that have not previously done the free premium trial can now do so by going to the Upgrade page under Admin -> Preferences.
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I checked this out in one of my old groups and that page now displays an orange "Try Premium" button.
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FYI,
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Re: Bouncing probe #bouncing #access

 

Thanks for responding Frances. ?He has checked his junk/spam folders. I will look further in the help center. He¡¯s had this account for years with no problems. I did tell him to check his email provider.?

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Re: Bouncing probe #bouncing #access

 

Have you seen the Help pages about bouncing? One major point - moderators and group owners can't really do anything. However you might be able to steer them to how to check out their personal email account.

And I assume the member is checking their spam / junk mail folder?
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Bouncing probe #bouncing #access

 

A member in my group is not able to access our group. He¡¯s listed in the ¡°bounce list¡±. ?I sent him a bounce probe several times but he is not receiving the system email telling him how to ¡°unbounce¡± his account. I don¡¯t know how to help him now. ?


Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 01:44 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The only thing you seem to be missing is that you can always revert to not requiring hashtags.
Bruce has raised a point that is entirely valid and one with which I agree.
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You have mandated the use of hashtags; what is the intended purpose of every message being labelled with one or more tags? Given that your original post included
In reality we ended up with more than 300 hashtags, many of them not particularly meaningful and only used once.??
I would go as far as to suggest that the mandate has not achieved, and now cannot achieve, what it was intended to achieve. IMHO 300 hashtags is well in excess of any practical limit of usability; members are simply not going to scroll through a list that long to see if there is a hashtag that matches the subject of their post and will thus just type something into a new hashtag (which if they are lucky will match an existing one) which simply adds to an already over - long list. Your many of them not particularly meaningful and only used once is a clear manifestation of that.
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The problem can all too easily be compounded (and may have been already) by a member typing a new hashtag which differs from an existing one by just one typo; oh look...? new hashtag with a spelling mistake.?
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Once upon a time the beta group allowed members to create hashtags, and the list was more or less infinitely long. It included at least FOUR variants of "hashtag"; apart from the "original" it had hashtags, hash tag and hash tags? and may have had hahstag (or some such typo) as well; some time has passed since the group owner finally put a stop to allowing member creativity and my recall is not perfect! That group still requires a mandatory hashtag chosen from a fixed picklist of eight tags; much more manageable.
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So... a question, hinted at above. What is the purpose of your hashtag mandate, and is that purpose being achieved?
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Re: Listing hashtags by frequency

 

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 06:36 AM, Herbert Eppel wrote:

In one of the groups I manage we recently introduced mandatory hashtags, although members can create their own hashtags, rather than having to choose from a predefined list.

The assumption was that the most common hashtags would prevail, while odd ones would fall by the wayside.?

An unrealistic assumption, IMHO. For what it's worth, there is no provision for hashtags to "expire" due to disuse.

I assumed there would be an option to list hashtags by frequency, but this doesn't seem to be the case, as evidenced by the attached screenshot.

That's correct, and the ability sort by usage seems like a good #suggestion to post to . Meanwhile, please note that the 10 "most used" hashtags are listed on your group's home page. There's no convenient way to list the "least used" ones.

In other words, the only sorting options I can see are "Name" (i.e. alphabetical or reverse alphabetical) and "Duration" (not sure what this actually does).

"Duration" lists the hashtags in the order of their creation.??

Without an option to list the chaotic plethora of hashtags by frequency, the system doesn't seem particularly useful for our group. Am I missing something?

The only thing you seem to be missing is that you can always revert to not requiring hashtags.
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Regards,
Bruce


Listing hashtags by frequency

 

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In one of the groups I manage we recently introduced mandatory hashtags, although members can create their own hashtags, rather than having to choose from a predefined list.

The assumption was that the most common hashtags would prevail, while odd ones would fall by the wayside. In reality we ended up with more than 300 hashtags, many of them not particularly meaningful and only used once.

I assumed there would be an option to list hashtags by frequency, but this doesn't seem to be the case, as evidenced by the attached screenshot. In other words, the only sorting options I can see are "Name" (i.e. alphabetical or reverse alphabetical) and "Duration" (not sure what this actually does).

Without an option to list the chaotic plethora of hashtags by frequency, the system doesn't seem particularly useful for our group. Am I missing something?

Thank you.

Herbert Eppel



Re: Posting question - no summary available

 

On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:06 AM, dancerone wrote:
I have box #1 checked under message formatting.
-- Is the mysterious message in Pending status (you said she is being moderated)?
-- Are you looking at it using the web interface, or in your mail client?
-- If you look at it the other way, does it appear different?
-- Did you click "View Source" as suggested?
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Regards,
Bruce


Re: Posting question - no summary available

 

I have box #1 checked under message formatting.
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Thank you.
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Brenda Sindorf


Re: Posting question - no summary available

 

On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 11:28 PM, dancerone wrote:
I have a member who is moderated. Email delivery is individual. When she replies to a topic and sends, this is what I receive as a message:
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no summary available
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I've never seen this before.
If I understand correctly, this is what you're seeing with messages arriving from her while in Pending status as viewed using the web interface. If not, please be more specific.
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On the premise that she actually sent something, but it got messed up in transit:? Click the "View Source" link at bottom right. Perhaps the content is still available but hidden in a plain-text mime part. While we're at it, please tell us which checkboxes you do/don't have checked in the group's Message Formatting settings.
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Regards,
Bruce


Posting question - no summary available

 

Do you have a Mac with Apple Intelligence??
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 11:28?PM dancerone via <dancerone=[email protected]> wrote:
I have a member who is moderated. Email delivery is individual. When she replies to a topic and sends, this is what I receive as a message:
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no summary available
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I've never seen this before.
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Thoughts appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Posting question - no summary available

 

Thank you for your response. Much appreciated.
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She is with AOL.?
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I do no get anything but "no summary available." Along with groups.io on to approve, reject, etc. I have others who are moderated without issues, just this one member.
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Brenda Sindorf
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Re: Posting question - no summary available

 

On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 11:28 PM, dancerone wrote:
When she replies to a topic and sends, this is what I receive as a message: no summary available
It seems that some email programs have a summary feature - Outlook and Gmail if enabled.
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It is new to me as well so I am not sure whether it would be her email program or yours that causes the message.
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Do you also get her reply - the actual content as well as this message about no summary?
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Frances
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