On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 05:57 PM, John McLachlan wrote:

If <new list> can't make a subgroup, wouldn't they just go and make another free group???

Oops; I think you may have spotted a loophole!

Chris

John,

But the ones in the middle which I can change from "post" down to "help" do not even though they seem to show as blue in this response from my cut and paste.

The custom footer one can set (like you have) doesn't really support what you are trying to do with email addresses.? It's more of a text-only box, no support for HTML or RichText like many of the other boxes like setting the group's description page, which has the formatting options on a ribbon at the top of the box.? The custom footer does have a very-very limited "live-link" functionality and that's only if you include a full URL with http(s)://... which it will recognize as a URL and make it active for you.? But it doesn't recognize the mailto: prefix for an email address so it doesn't make that an active link.

IMO, you should post this at the beta forum () as it can be considered missing functionality, after all it recognizes the HTTP: but not the MAILTO:, so it should be an easy fix/enhancement.

Cheers,
Christos

I read and appreciated the
??/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki notes on mkgration.

i have two or three questions remaining confusions:

i have several yahoo groups I like to fully migrate...with their message archives.
of those groups only one is REALLY important ..I'll cal it "ImportantGroup... aka ?"IG" for this thread,)

i fully downloaded all of IG's and my other groups's message archives and uploaded files with PG downloader just before yahoo removed them.
i also took up Yahoo's offer and had them create , and I retrieved one big zip file of MBOX files.
I also have also downloaded the membership list.

so several question I hope someone (Shal??) can help with:

# First , I noticed somewhere that groupsio does now offer an option for paid groups to import archives from MBOX files. So that basically raises my MAIN question is is it easier or better to (A) try importing the archives from the MBOX files or (B) the PG downloader files.
Can you educate me on the pros ?cons of method A vs B??

# I was a bit confused when I got the downloaded-from-yahoo zip.
i looked in there and there's AFAIK no way to tell which files were from which of the five groups that were in there.
That worries me about how or even IF the import (whether done by me manually or some semi-automatic procedure offered by groupsio) can distinguish which files belong to which group. It would be a nightmare if somehow all the different groups' archives got uploaded into my new grouosio IG group.

(BTW, I do understand there's no easy migration path for the files..That's not top priority for me.)

Any info would be helpful in unconfusing me.

Alex

Replying to an individual is pretty easy once you know how,
Here;s a short (32 second) video showing how to do it:



Mod's note: added Youtube video from post source, using Insert link tool.

I'm not sure what Mark is fixing or addressing y the change.? ? If <new list> can't make a subgroup, wouldn't they just go and make another free group???

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:53 AM, <sequoia.eyes@...> wrote:

I appreciate any help you can give me. Even if you can't give specific answers to my questions

None of us here could even guess (I suspect!) what Mark's position on any given use case might be; as "Mr Groups.io" he is the person who decides what is and is not permissible on a case by case basis.

At the very bottom of the Terms page is this sentence: Please contact us at [email protected] to report any violations of these Terms of Service or to pose any questions regarding this Terms of Service or the Service.

(My italics & underlining)

Any guidance that anyone here could provide would have to be so heavily caveated? it would be more or less meaningless.

Chris

I receive individual emails for my account so that's where I see this.? Some do show up as mailto links such as the view/reply online and reply to group line.? And at the end of the footer where the your subscription and contact owner line is.? But the ones in the middle which I can change from "post" down to "help" do not even though they seem to show as blue in this response from my cut and paste.

John


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On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:26 AM, John Pearce wrote:

I was hoping to see the Group addresses in the message footer be mailto links in the emails that members receive.? They actually show up as text rather than links so folks have to cut and paste the addresses into a new email.? I did at some point check force html in the message formatting section but I don't remember what the footer displayed before that time.? Is there something I may have done or not done to get those to display as mailto?

John, you are receiving this group (GMF) as Summary. That's barebones. Not sure how you receive your group emails, of course.
Change to Full Featured Digest or Single to check it out.

Frances
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 05:53 AM, <sequoia.eyes@...> wrote:

Here are the clauses in the Groups.io TOS that don't seem clear to me (bold added):

You agree to not use the Service to:

1. email or otherwise upload any content that

5. (v) constitutes unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, commercial activities and/or...any other form of solicitation;

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7. advertise or offer to sell or buy any goods or services for any business purpose that is not specifically authorized;

In 1.5, does anyone know how the word "solicitation" is being used and whether the word "unsolicited" refers to everything in that clause? I'm hoping that describing to potential group members the kinds of business emails I would be sending/posting would take those emails outside of the definition.

For 1.7, can anyone point me to the list of business purposes "specifically authorized"? (I do see "Types Of Groups That Aren't Permitted" on the Help page: /static/help#types-of-groups-that-arent-permitted. My group would not fall under any of these.)

I appreciate any help you can give me. Even if you can't give specific answers to my questions, perhaps examples of how businesses have been properly using Groups.io might be helpful.

Marcella,

The full wording of 5?(v) is: constitutes unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, commercial activities and/or sales, “junk mail,” “spam,” “chain letters,” “pyramid schemes,” “contests,” “sweepstakes,” or any other form of solicitation;

I am not sure about your second quotation (advertising).
/static/tos

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I was hoping to see the Group addresses in the message footer be mailto links in the emails that members receive.? They actually show up as text rather than links so folks have to cut and paste the addresses into a new email.? I did at some point check force html in the message formatting section but I don't remember what the footer displayed before that time.? Is there something I may have done or not done to get those to display as mailto?

John

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 08:06 AM, Donald Hellen wrote:

If you set it so members can't upload files, let them know to get in
touch with you and have them place their file in a Dropbox (or
similar) account and send you an invitation to download the file. Then
you can upload it. This may not be a frequent request, so it might be
the way to do it.

This is most workable and I have implemented the policy in the groups I moderate.
Uploading a file is a piece of cake. Once it is done, all members can be notified by marking a box in the upload screen.

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Reading my own message has given me the Clue to get out of the email fix.

Now I’ve switched to pasting the Digests directly into New Topics on the group website, starting with the most recent.

Which, when read Expanded read from top to bottom as one single continuous story :-)

Moreover, by creating these in an Announcement-Only Sub-Group called ‘Yahoo Archive’, I don’t risk ‘live’ messages getting embedded between ‘archive’ ones as I plod through the uploads.

Whether these pasted messages display correctly, only time will tell, but at least Shal’s shown me where to dig for the Bodies :-)

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(Though I notice that another Forum product (Tapatalk) treats all members using the same computer as clones, viz if Dad is a Moderator, all his kids become Moderators too, which is plum crazy.)

David 1/2d

Thanks, Shall, I’ll give it a go.

My ideal target is for a new member to be able to open the old messages in Expanded View and read them from top to bottom in order - no gaps.

David

Jim,

If I tell it to add a custom message and include my newly created
invite it merely appends it to that first original message that I am
trying to get rid of. What am I missing?

You can't delete the boilerplate message, and yes the boilerplate cites your display name as having made the invitation.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/69594439

Shal


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David,

Are there quotas on how many messages one can post in a given period?

There is, or was, a rate limit of 40 messages in 30 minutes.


It is possible that the limit has changed since then, possibly in response to the great Yahoo migration.

Nor could I post from an email alias, nor as a different member with
a separate email address.

That's interesting. Maybe there's more to your symptom than just Groups.io's rate limiter.

Shal


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Richard,

I couldn't find any setting that chooses between a topic view or an individual-message view.?

It isn't a setting, it is a menu to switch the viewing mode of the Messages list.

And when I reply online to a post, the reply becomes a new topic rather than appending to the message replied to

Are you sure, or did it just look that way because you were looking at the list in Messages mode?

Shal

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David,

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only
display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of
the 50 Yahoo messages.

At the point where the message is cut off, is there a blue box that says "Show quoted text"?

If so, click that. That's based on the theory that something about the content at that point is triggering Groups.io's response to top-posting (hides the bottom-quotes).

If not, perhaps there's something funky in the HTML at that point that causes Groups.io's render to believe it has reached the end of the message content.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when
I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-
stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.

If you know your way around HTML code you might be able to diagnose and fix it using the Source Code tool in the message editor.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks#-C2A0Source-code

Shal


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I have a group that I created a year ago.? The original invite file had my name in it.? Now that original message is what Groups.io tells me it is going to send to an invitee.? Tonight I deleted the invite file and created a new one but when I go to the invite page to invite someone it still includes the text of that very first message and no way to edit or modify it.? If I tell it to add a custom message and include my newly created invite it merely appends it to that first original message that I am trying to get rid of.? What am I missing?

Thank you.

Jim