Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 06:41 PM, Duane wrote:

It appears that this isn't even a government department, just a group that has decided there should be more protections.? If/how it will work and/or be accomplished certainly isn't clear.?

The UK Online Safety Act came into law in October 2023 and you can read an explanation of what it's trying achieve on the .? It is one of the latest things that will be overseen by which is the UK regulator and competition authority for communication industries.?? The EU has the Digital Services Act (DSA) which also relates to online safety and from 2022 attempts to describe where they overlap and where they differ.

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Andy

Re: Joining Anomaly

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Thanks, Andy; this is what solved the mystery.? Very much appreciated!

Karl

On 12/20/2024 10:00 AM, Andy Wedge via groups.io wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 02:56 PM, kharrisma@... wrote:

I'm guessing *someone* issued a direct invitation to join the group.?
The Activity Log is always your friend when you want to know what has happened. You can use the filters to limit the display to invitation related items.

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Re: Sent Invitations sort order

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The Sent Invitations can be sorted by name/email address, date of invitation or status.  If you sort by date of invitation and someone has accepted the invitation it will be sorted by the invitation date, but the date shown will be the date of acceptance.  So if you invited someone on the 7th and then another person on the 8th and the first person accepted on the 9th, their listing will show the 9th, but they will be listed prior to the person from the 8th.  Also if you resend an invitation the sort position stays at the original invitation date, but the date shown is the most recent invitation date, but the sort position remains as that or the original invitation.  So sometimes things can appear a bit jumbled.

Jonathan

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On 12/22/2024 7:11 PM, Jim Avera via groups.io wrote:
Hi,? I noticed that the "Sent Invitations" list does not by default show recent transactions, and even if sorted by "Invited" the entries are not strictly in order.? Is this intended?
Attached are two screenshots, showing the default view and after clicking the "Invited" column header twice (the first time sorts oldest first).
Note in the sorted view the most recent transactions are in the 1st and 4th positions, separated by Accepted and Expired entries from days or weeks in the past.
-Jim

Re: Sent Invitations sort order

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 08:20 PM, Jim Avera wrote:

Note in the sorted view the most recent transactions are in the 1st and 4th positions, separated by Accepted and Expired entries from days or weeks in the past.

In my own account, the invitees are in alphabetical order by email address.

Note that I clean up my list periodically and just keep those that have not responded. I delete Accepted email addresses by clicking Cancel/Remove Invite from the dropdown menu. It doesn't delete their acceptance, just tidies this up. (I think that a better word than Remove could be used but I am not sure what. Perhaps a note?)

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Sent Invitations sort order

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Hi,? I noticed that the "Sent Invitations" list does not by default show recent transactions, and even if sorted by "Invited" the entries are not strictly in order.? Is this intended?

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Attached are two screenshots, showing the default view and after clicking the "Invited" column header twice (the first time sorts oldest first).

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Note in the sorted view the most recent transactions are in the 1st and 4th positions, separated by Accepted and Expired entries from days or weeks in the past.

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-Jim

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Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 12:02 PM, Don Grass wrote:

How could this UK's new Online Safety Act affect anyone or anything not in the UK?

From my reading, they'll be assessing "fees" to companies that can be accessed in the UK, based on the income of the company, if any of the 'rules' are broken.? It appears that this isn't even a government department, just a group that has decided there should be more protections.? If/how it will work and/or be accomplished certainly isn't clear.? They're preparing to enforce it, but haven't even finished defining/clarifying it.? I plan to wait and see.

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Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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Thanks especially to Duane and Jeremy for their thoughts on this.? If anyone runs into any further expert advice, I'd be glad to hear about it!

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All the best

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Harriet

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Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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Question please. How could this UK's new Online Safety Act affect anyone or anything not in the UK?

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Don G

Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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A blog came my way to alert me to this, which in turn pointed me at (headline title: Does the Online Safety Act apply to your service?); ; and ("a layperson's summary...")

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My own thought - based on a quick read - is that on groups.io, for most, smallish, groups, with restricted membership and and based on specialist interest, normal 'good practice' moderation will probably be enough. More generally, I suspect groups.io (i.e. Mark:? it wasn't clear to me whether it is the overall service, or individual groups, that should be concerned) need to be aware (and hopefully are) - as Duane said it 'has procedures in place, and part of the TOS, that cover illegal activities.' which should put it in a good starting point.?

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Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 02:22 PM, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:

Has anybody looked into the implications of the Act for forums on groups.io?

My thoughts are based on the first paragraph, "It puts a range of new duties on social media companies and search services, making them more responsible for their users’ safety on their platforms. The Act will give providers new duties to implement systems and processes to reduce risks their services are used for illegal activity, and to take down illegal content when it does appear. "? Since it specifically mentions social media and search engines, that's probably what it's aimed at.? Groups.io already has procedures in place, and part of the TOS, that cover illegal activities.? I doubt that this site has anything to be concerned about.

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Duane

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Re: Joining Anomaly

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Hi Thomas,

You're correct in your suspicions.? Only group owners and/or moderators can issue such an invitation.? If someone applies through the parent group, then moderators get an approval needed notice (if that's how the group is set up.)? If someone (owner/moderator) issues an invitation, the moderators *still* get a notification, but only that "so and so has joined your group," which can be disconcerting when you know you have the settings such that approval from a group moderator is needed.? The notification is perfectly valid, and all is as it should be, except that it takes some poking around in "Admin" to find that an invitation was issued, so the "normal" approval process was bypassed.

At least I'm learning more about how things work behind the curtain...? ;-)

Karl

On 12/20/2024 11:02 AM, Thomas Gruber via groups.io wrote:

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Hi Karl,

in the group - Subscription - Settings, look at the ?Moderator notifications“ . Under ?Members“, you can define what should happen when a new member joins the group or when an existing member leaves the group. I suspect (haven‘t tested it), that if that is set to notify moderators via email and web, all moderators should receive at least a message when a new member joins. Can‘t test if that‘s true also if someone joins by direct invitation. Maybe that option is set to ?None“ in your group? Then of course no moderator receives an information about a new member joining by direct invitation.

Kind regards

Thomas

Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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This act appears to aimed squarely at the likes of facebook, X, youtube, dating sites etc, rather than groups such as ours

As the government couldn't run an alcoholic beverage get together in a brewery I suspect its like a lot of other legislation, mostly hot air which looks good on paper but doesn't do much

As if the likes of facebook etc are going to take any notice of it

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

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On 20/12/2024 19:49, Harriet Monkhouse via groups.io wrote:
A member of our forum has contacted me to ask whether there is likely to be any problem for us, or others like us, under the UK's new Online Safety Act, due to come into force next year

Re: Online Safety Act (UK)

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Hello Harriet,

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Some years ago, Mark worked with lawyers for compliance with GDPR:
"We’re committed to helping Groups.io customers and users understand, and where applicable, comply with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). The GDPR is the most comprehensive EU data privacy law in decades, and went into effect on May 25, 2018."

See:

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Just a reminder - this group is a peer-to-peer group and Groups.io management are not participants in GMF. However others, especially UK based group owners, may have more info for you.

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Frances

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Re: Joining Anomaly

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I get a notification when someone requests to join, and I got a notification that this individual HAD joined, but never saw the approval notification.? Turns out someone in "upper management" issued a direct invite, which bypasses the request approval setting.? Found the source, so mystery solved.? The help is appreciated!

Karl

On 12/20/2024 11:10 AM, Duane via groups.io wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:56 AM, kharrisma@... wrote:

why aren't group moderators pulled "into the loop" when a someone issues a direct invite, or when the invitee accepts that invitation and becomes a member

You have the option of getting a message when someone joins the group.? I believe that should also happen when they accept an invitation.

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Duane

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Online Safety Act (UK)

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A member of our forum has contacted me to ask whether there is likely to be any problem for us, or others like us, under the UK's new Online Safety Act, due to come into force next year ?(more info at ?)

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He's anxious because he's seen other hobby/fan groups talking about closing down because they think it will be too difficult to comply, or prove that they comply, with its terms.

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I doubt a bunch of ageing cricket statisticians is the primary target of the Act, but as far as I can make out we fall under the category of a user-to-user service with user-generated content.

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Has anybody looked into the implications of the Act for forums on groups.io?

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All the best

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Harriet Monkhouse

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Re: Joining Anomaly

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:56 AM, kharrisma@... wrote:

why aren't group moderators pulled "into the loop" when a someone issues a direct invite, or when the invitee accepts that invitation and becomes a member

You have the option of getting a message when someone joins the group.? I believe that should also happen when they accept an invitation.

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Duane

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Re: Joining Anomaly

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Hi Karl,

in the group - Subscription - Settings, look at the ?Moderator notifications“ . Under ?Members“, you can define what should happen when a new member joins the group or when an existing member leaves the group. I suspect (haven‘t tested it), that if that is set to notify moderators via email and web, all moderators should receive at least a message when a new member joins. Can‘t test if that‘s true also if someone joins by direct invitation. Maybe that option is set to ?None“ in your group? Then of course no moderator receives an information about a new member joining by direct invitation.

Kind regards

Thomas

Re: Joining Anomaly

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When someone accepts an invite, no moderator approval is needed. The idea is that you must have already decided it was appropriate for them to join the group or else you wouldn't have sent the invite in the first place.

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:56 AM, kharrisma@... wrote:

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I'm guessing *someone* issued a direct invitation to join the group.? I have a couple of questions:? first, why aren't group moderators pulled "into the loop" when a someone issues a direct invite, or when the invitee accepts that invitation and becomes a member?? Second, why is the person who issued the invitation not indicated?? I'm in a situation where I'm charged with keeping on top of things with this group, and I find myself with no idea of how this person obtained admission to the group.

Re: Joining Anomaly

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 02:56 PM, kharrisma@... wrote:

I'm guessing *someone* issued a direct invitation to join the group.?

The Activity Log is always your friend when you want to know what has happened. You can use the filters to limit the display to invitation related items.

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Regards

Andy

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Joining Anomaly

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Hi Folks,

I moderate a group which I don't own, and have the account set up so anyone wanting to join requires approval, which comes through me and at least one other person.

I recently received notification that 'so and so' has joined your group... but I never received an approval request prior to his joining.? I've checked with the others who also have admin privileges in this group, and they didn't get a join request notification either.

Looked a little more closely and found this:

I'm guessing *someone* issued a direct invitation to join the group.? I have a couple of questions:? first, why aren't group moderators pulled "into the loop" when a someone issues a direct invite, or when the invitee accepts that invitation and becomes a member?? Second, why is the person who issued the invitation not indicated?? I'm in a situation where I'm charged with keeping on top of things with this group, and I find myself with no idea of how this person obtained admission to the group.

I've checked all the settings for this group (the ones that are available to me, at least), and didn't see anything pertaining to permissions to directly invite someone to join the group, or notifying group moderators of this fact.? I DO see that only group owners and/or moderators can issue join invitations, so at least I don't have to worry that group members can be issuing invitations to anyone and bypassing group moderators altogether.

My concern here is not that *I* have been somehow bypassed, it's that such a bypass can happen at all; it's definitely created concern that someone may have found a back door into this group at least, and maybe others.? Wondering if this is someone exploiting an unnoticed vulnerability or loophole.

Any thoughts / clarifications greatly appreciated!

Karl