Hi everyone. Sorry I am sure this has been addressed already but I couldn't find it in a search. We mods are getting increasingly scared by YG's failures... but the owner does not yet want to switch. Is there a way to transfer all the data to a new groups.io group but NOT run it yet, ie: not notify the members of the switch. Just let it be ready. Then start it up when wanted/needed.?

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 01:30 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Mark takes the weekends off.

Well, he's SUPPOSED to, but we know how Mark is... ;>)

Duane

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:25 pm, Jan Winspear wrote:

I have been prevaricating for a couple of years

But truly, it's no lie that groups.io is great. :)
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J

Thank you Martyn - I have started the process on one of my groups so fingers crossed all is well - I have been prevaricating for a couple of years - just nervous!!! So now have taken the bull by the horns!!! I have some idea of the workings as I did set up a test group a few years ago but it is making the final decision that has been hard!!!

Best Wishes
Jan



Martyn de Young
Sent: 21 January 2018 19:43
Don't worry, just go for it! I recently transferred a 20-year old group from Yahoo, and all the members, photos, files, databases transferred - it took Mark no more than a couple of hours, and all I had to do was send a couple of emails!

The admin interface and web-based members area is a lot easier to use, a combination of the old familiar features, but smoother (and it WORKS!), and lots of new bits!

I should have done it years ago!
All the best,

Martyn

Don't worry, just go for it!? I recently transferred a 20-year old group from Yahoo,? and all the members, photos, files, databases transferred - it took Mark no more than a couple of hours, and all I had to do was send a couple of emails!

The admin interface and web-based members area is a lot easier to use, a combination of the old familiar features, but smoother (and it WORKS!), and lots of new bits!

I should have done it years ago!
All the best,

Martyn

Thank you very much Shal - I have started the process with one of my groups - the one currently causing the most problems - they are only small craft groups - 35 members in one and less in the other one so not huge like some I have seen on here - fingers crossed all goes well and thank you for your advice.

Best Wishes
Jan

I wish I could, but Groups.io can't do much about it if Yahoo's facilities become too dysfunctional to deliver the data.

That said, I'd bet that the code behind the transfer agent is more robust than the code that Yahoo loads into your browser to access content. Also we've seen recent reports of success, such as Ruthie's.

> - I would like the Database and Photos active in the new group and are > the members transferred easily please?

The manage members list is the first thing copied by the transfer agent, and I would guess it to be the least problematic. That is, I've not had trouble accessing my Y!Groups' Manage Members lists via Yahoo's web interface, but I have had trouble with Photos and Files and even Pending messages.

The Database and Photos are copied by default. Make sure you've made the appropriate access settings for them in your Groups.io group before initiating the transfer. That is, make sure that they are not disabled.

> Currently on one of my groups Photos are not active - does this work > with the transfer or not

I'm sure that if the Y!Group's access control for Photos is set to "Off"
that the section will simply be skipped by the transfer agent. The rest of the transfer should be unaffected.

> Once the transfer is made does that close down the Yahoo group or is > it still available and nothing has changed?

There's a big green banner on the instructions page to reassure you:
"We do not make any changes to your Yahoo Group. We simply make a copy
of everything."
/static/yahootransfer

Your Y!Group members will receive a "welcome" message from Groups.io when the copying has completed. And if you set up a custom Welcome message (Member Notices tab of your Groups.io group's Settings page) they'll receive that as well.

Other than that, informing your Y!Group membership in advance, and any changes you wish to make to the Yahoo Group afterward, are purely up to you.

> I hope you won't mind my asking ...

Nope, that's what we're here for.

Shal

I've been researching and writing on Spectre & Meltdown. They
are far more serious for cloud service providers that rely on virtualization
than for individual computer users. As currently understood, these flaws
cannot be exploited unless the exploiter already has access to your machine.
That means that ordinary good computer hygiene (automated patching, regular
malware scans, only install trustworthy apps, avoid being phished, don't
open unfamiliar email attachments, strong passwords, etc.) will protect
individuals as much as patching the flaws. Service providers are in a
different position and have much to deal with.
The real nastiness of Spectre & Meltdown is that root cause of
the flaws will be around until hardware chips redesigned and the old ones
replaced. Even if safer processors were available today, the replacement
process would not be complete for years.
If you are interested, read my blog:


[mod note: for future reference the direct link to Marv's article is:


Note, this topic is tangential to GMF's mission. It is allowable here because
it directly affected Groups.io's operations. Please take in-depth discussion
or support for patches to more suitable groups or forums.]

Jan,

I am very nervous about the change so could you reassure me that the
transfer is possible given the problems with Yahoo

I wish I could, but Groups.io can't do much about it if Yahoo's facilities become too dysfunctional to deliver the data.

That said, I'd bet that the code behind the transfer agent is more robust than the code that Yahoo loads into your browser to access content. Also we've seen recent reports of success, such as Ruthie's.

- I would like the Database and Photos active in the new group and are
the members transferred easily please?

The manage members list is the first thing copied by the transfer agent, and I would guess it to be the least problematic. That is, I've not had trouble accessing my Y!Groups' Manage Members lists via Yahoo's web interface, but I have had trouble with Photos and Files and even Pending messages.

The Database and Photos are copied by default. Make sure you've made the appropriate access settings for them in your Groups.io group before initiating the transfer. That is, make sure that they are not disabled.

Currently on one of my groups Photos are not active - does this work
with the transfer or not

I'm sure that if the Y!Group's access control for Photos is set to "Off" that the section will simply be skipped by the transfer agent. The rest of the transfer should be unaffected.

Once the transfer is made does that close down the Yahoo group or is
it still available and nothing has changed?

There's a big green banner on the instructions page to reassure you:
"We do not make any changes to your Yahoo Group. We simply make a copy
of everything."
/static/yahootransfer

Your Y!Group members will receive a "welcome" message from Groups.io when the copying has completed. And if you set up a custom Welcome message (Member Notices tab of your Groups.io group's Settings page) they'll receive that as well.

Other than that, informing your Y!Group membership in advance, and any changes you wish to make to the Yahoo Group afterward, are purely up to you.

I hope you won't mind my asking ...

Nope, that's what we're here for.

Shal

Thanks all,
I finally was able to contact the list owner and despite his dislike of Yahoo he made me a co-list owner and I was able to make groups.io a moderator
and have requested a files transfer. Hopefully YahooGroups does not collapse first.

ken

On 2018-01-20 21:45, markus baur wrote:

if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the
members to migrate
create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to
"all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post
more and more, while repeating the invitations ..
this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate
then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group
moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group
servus
markus

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On 20/01/2018 Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Once downloaded, what is the mechanism for either accessing or
reinstating the data?

The .mbox content (inside the .zip file) is plain text, so you could
open it with a plain text editor such as Notepad (on Windows).

(...)

To see it in a more useful form you need a program designed for reading
email, such as Thunderbird. Thunderbird doesn't make this process easy,
it doesn't have an "import" method for .mbox files, you either need to
install an add-on or put the file in a folder under Local Folders in
Thunderbird's internal data structures.

I've done this several times; just put the mbx file in the same directory
as the other email files and Thunderbird should detect it. I don't think
you even need to rename it.

Perhaps some other email readers
make it easier.

The same system (or thereabouts) should work for any mail reader that uses
MBX files. I've seen a couple that have an "import" function; anything by
Microsoft, of course, doesn't have any means to make life easy.

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Shal & All . . .


On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:12:54 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

* SYSADMIN: Completed reboots of all machines in Phase 1 of
Meltdown/Spectre patching.

Last I heard there is no indication that there have been attacks against
web services based on these exploits, but still it is better to have
Groups.io secured against them. And our own machines as well. That said,
from what I understand these two represent a whole new class of
"information leak" exploits; so we probably haven't heard the last of
their ilk.

Most Linux distributions have rolled out their patches so if you're
using Linux as your operating system, let it update things. You can
always choose to not update applications and just let the ones
affecting the kernel update. I let Linux Mint update this time for
that reason. I typically use Windows for most PC use but dabble in
Linux using Linux Mint.

For Windows 10, the update has also been rolled out. There was a
problem with the fix for some AMD CPUs that caused it to either not
boot or reboot over and over (I forget which it was), but Microsoft
stopped updating those for a while. I believe they have it right now
and the updates will work. It's time to let it update if you've been
able to prevent it from doing so (Pro users have more influence on
holding off on updates).

It seems to me that updates for Win 7 and 8.x were not ready yet as of
a few days ago, but that may have changed by now so if you get offered
updates, I would suggest letting the system do the update if you are
concerned about potential Meltdown/Spectre security issues. Unpatched
systems have been the cause of many PC infections and help to spread
the infections. Windows 10 pretty much eliminated that on those PCs
that have it because it takes updates out of the hands of the user
since it forces the user to update. There's good and bad with this,
but for security issues, it's mostly good. Same with other updates,
too, but I've had issues early on with touchpad driver updates--they
finally have got it right though for out two older HP business-class
laptops.

I don't have any information on MAC PCs.

I don't expect older smartphones (and tablets, both iOS and Android)
to get updates for this as the manufacturers have a vested interest in
you buying new smartphones every 2-3 years, and the carriers also
profit from not updating older phones since they're the point of sale
for most smartphone purchases. Apple is more likely to update older
hardware than other companies, though.

If you don't keep sensitive information on your phone (I'm referring
to financial/banking, online purchasing with credit cards, etc.), you
have less to be concerned about than if you do. If you don't sideload
applications from "untrusted" sources you are less likely to have
issues with this on a phone/tablet. I would even suggest being very
cautious about what you download from Google Play or the App Store,
and for PCs, the Microsoft app store or anywhere you get software
from. You may want to wait a few months before downloading some new
program or app to find out if there are issues you need to be
concerned about. Eventually infected apps get rooted out, or people
report the problem and it makes the news, forcing the source of these
to remove them from their collections.

Unfortunately, the internet is not all fun like it was way back in the
1990s. It's not exactly a minefield, either, but you do have to be
careful.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

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I am sure the issues I am about to ask about have been dealt with before so I hope you won't mind my asking - I am seriously going to have to transfer to Group.io - I have been putting the decision off hoping that Yahoo will get their act together but it does not seem they are going to do so. I am very nervous about the change so could you reassure me that the transfer is possible given the problems with Yahoo - I would like the Database and Photos active in the new group and are the members transferred easily please? Currently on one of my groups Photos are not active - does this work with the transfer or not - I thought I saw one message on here to say it was not. Once the transfer is made does that close down the Yahoo group or is it still available and nothing has changed?

I hope you won't mind my asking - it is a big decision for me having been with Yahoo for some 16 years.

Best Wishes
Jan

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if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the members to migrate

create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to "all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post more and more, while repeating the invitations ..

this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate

then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group

moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group

servus

markus

Am 21.01.2018 um 01:04 schrieb Donald Hellen:

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Email from my mobile connection.

Hi all,

This change log for the last week:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

* SYSADMIN: Completed reboots of all machines in Phase 1 of
Meltdown/Spectre patching.

Last I heard there is no indication that there have been attacks against web services based on these exploits, but still it is better to have Groups.io secured against them. And our own machines as well. That said, from what I understand these two represent a whole new class of "information leak" exploits; so we probably haven't heard the last of their ilk.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

CHANGE: Reformatted the calender event popups and added timezone.
INTERNAL: Began migration off using Redis as a work queue. s3server
now using new distributed nsqd system.
INTERNAL: Updated and added additional features to internal
dashboard.
INTERNAL: No longer using Redis to store LSN/Index versions for
esstreamer.
SYSADMIN: Upgraded Elasticsearch nodes to latest 5.6 version.
CHANGE: Removed 'Sincerely' from pending email reject message.
BUGFIX: Changing the non-date parts of a repeating event doesn't
result in deleting past events.
BUGFIX: Changing a repeating event after changing one instance of
the event doesn't result in the deletion of that modified instance.
CHANGE: Better error message when doing an accidental group reply
to a topic that's set to sender only replies.
SYSADMIN: Added an additional search node.
BUGFIX: The /removemember API call was crashing.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal