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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

If I understand the system correctly, it's not possible to be in a subgroup without also being in the main group. That said, it does seem possible to receive subgroup emails but set nomail for the main group emails.

Malcolm.


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Shal
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?

thanks
Jeff

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: 11 January 2020 21:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

June,

> I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which > may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I > don't see any alternative.

There is no need.

Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now.


Shal


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John,

Their delivery log shows: "451 4.7.650 The mail server [xxxxxxxxx] has
been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation."
Presumably the IP address cited was 66.175.222.12, Groups.io's outbound server.

It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume
coming from Groups IO.
This wouldn't be a function of their email application, unless that is also their email service. "Outlook" is confusing in this regard because the name could mean either or both.

Is there a fix for this?
The member needs to find a way to tell their email service not to rate limit messages from Groups.io. Message rejection and rate limiting is not usually something that the user can affect directly by means of address book entries or filters or otherwise; so it would likely require an appeal to the service's customer support to review Groups.io and treat it as a "trusted" sender ("whitelist" it).

Or failing that choose a better email service.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Duane,

It appears the 20GB storage change has taken affect, as my group now shows the increase.

Don


Re: member activity history

 

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Chris,

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Well yes, although I would be interested to know what you plan to do with it once you find it! FWIW I usually have a quick look when anyone leaves just to see how active they were previously and the usual finding is "not very"!

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I explained in my last mail to Duane why we want to know who is the member who left. We upload quite a lot of stuff concerning members and their animals. And I was quite surprised there isn?t the same activity history concerning structural facts like joining, changing mail adresses or display names etc. With yahoo it was all listed at one klick. But groups.io has so many superior features that it?s not really an issue. It would just have been nice to have.


Starting with the email notification of someone having left, copy the email address of the person concerned.
Then go to Admin > Activity and paste that into the box above Date faintly filled with "Search" (which will disappear). I usually search for "All Actions" which produces a list of everything the person did.
If you want to limit the search to messages posted then select Sent Message in the Actions box.

If you want to search more generally (in terms of members who have left) then leave the Search box empty and select "Left" as the Actions.
This will bring up a list of all those who have left... unsurprisingly. At this point it can become tedious as any person you want to investigate further has to be copied and pasted into the full Activity log for a further search on their individual activity.

One point; I don't know if this is true of Premium and Enterprise Groups but while a departed member's group messages are stored any messages to +Owner are not.

Another point, but one not limited to those who have left is that the Activity Log will maintain a record of uploaded Files & Photos, but links to uploaded photos fail if the photo name was edited after the upload. The same "fail" will occur if a created album name is edited as well; I haven't put it to the test but I would not be surprised if similar "fails" arise with uploaded files. There is no obvious workaround for this, at least not one that I have found yet... but then I haven't actively researched it, and currently have no plans to do so!

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This is a lot of information. Thanks

Victoria




Re: Message search by numbers

 

WRB,

Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. How
would one similarly view and search those by message number?
At the time of the import, the imported messages would be assigned sequential numbers, starting at one greater than any message already posted in the group. New messages after the import would continue sequentially from there.

Once you open one of the imported messages, you can page through them by message number. But I don't know of any way to get a list of messages by message number rather than date order.

I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential
date and time listing would go to Beta?
Correct. Sort by number would be a new option on the Messages list.

Shal


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Re: New owner help please #howto

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 03:04 PM, June Genis wrote:
Can this be done at the main group level only or can Albums be created at the sub-group level as well?
Think of each group or subgroup as independent.? The only qualifier is that all subgroup members must be members of the main group.? Otherwise, they mostly have all the same options, such as Files, Photos, etc.

One word of warning:? It's best not to use a direct link to a photo within an album.? It would look something like /g/GROUPNAME/photo/233654/1, but? the 1 on the end can change if other photos are added or removed.? There are requests in to make these links static, but we don't know when or if that will happen.? Best to point to the album, /g/GROUPNAME/album?id=233654, and describe the photo, by name it's a good one.

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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

June,

I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which
may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I
don't see any alternative.
There is no need.

Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now.


Shal


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Re: Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 04:04 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
A co - owner has full moderator powers and privileges by default.

True, but the co-owners needn¡¯t receive all of the moderating emails, etc.?

Their subscription needs altering to stop receiving them.?


Frances
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Re: Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:26 PM, kruffing wrote:
I don't plan to make the new owners into moderators.? That's not necessary, right?? They could promote themselves if they wanted?
A co - owner has full moderator powers and privileges by default.

Chris


Re: New owner help please #howto

June Genis
 

Thanks, Maverick.? Can this be done at the main group level only or can Albums be created at the sub-group level as well?? I'm presuming from what you wrote that any member of the appropriate group can create an album. I don't expect most of my members to be using anything other than email, they're not very tech savvy, so I'm guessing that I will end up having to create any albums regardless of who takes the pictures.

June

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:27 PM BMaverick <bmaverick@...> wrote:
June,

1. Login and go to your groups webpage on GroupsIO

2. On the left column click on PHOTOS

3. On that page at the top should be a bottom to click on NEW ALBUM

4. Enter the name for the album.

5. Enter the description field

6. Drag and drop photos.? (sometimes a bunch would work, else you got to do one-by-one.? Not sure what the reasoning behind that is.)

BMaverick


Re: New owner help please #howto

 

June,

1. Login and go to your groups webpage on GroupsIO

2. On the left column click on PHOTOS

3. On that page at the top should be a bottom to click on NEW ALBUM

4. Enter the name for the album.

5. Enter the description field

6. Drag and drop photos.? (sometimes a bunch would work, else you got to do one-by-one.? Not sure what the reasoning behind that is.)

BMaverick


Should new co-owners also be moderators? #owner #moderators

 

Friends,

I'm the owner of a smallish group that smoothly made the transfer from Yahoo in November.? We're a group of alumni from a government agency who worked closely together and, yes, take institutional pride.? By "smallish" I mean we have about 125 members (though I expect that to grow, not least because GIO is so, so much better than Yahoo!).

I'm healthy but, hey, not immortal.? And I saw the great consternation that many groups couldn't take advantage of "easy transfer" because a Yahoo group's owner had died, disappeared, or just plain lost interest.? Only an owner could authorize a transfer.

So I plan to ask two trusted members if they wouldn't mind being promoted to owner.

Our group is unmoderated; membership is restricted (i.e., requires approval), but over 10 years there's never been any need to moderate messages except in two cases where members' email accounts were hacked.

I don't plan to make the new owners into moderators.? That's not necessary, right?? They could promote themselves if they wanted?

Thanks in advance,
Kathy


Re: GIO changes from Mark

 


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:57 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...

Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.

I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)

Malcolm.?

Here¡¯s the origin of the term ¡°grandfathered¡±:

Larry (the other one)
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Re: Comcast problems again?

 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, Annick wrote:

However they are now landing in the spam folder there so she has to contact them to ask how to mark them as "not spam" as she can't find a way to do that there.

And on Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Cheryl replied:
If she is on her computer,? there is an icon that says not spam. If she is on her phone, there isn't an icon. Instead,? she had to move the email to her inbox. I have to do this with all of Shal's emails for some reason, since Comcast thinks all of his emails are spam.?
Cheryl?
I had the same problem with Comcast marking some of my Groups.io mail as spam. Yes, as several have pointed out, she can log into the web UI for her email and move the contents from the spam folder back to the inbox, but I couldn't find a simple way to notify Comcast that Groups.io mail isn't spam. What I ended up doing was going through the menu online until I found how to create a 'rule' that would automatically move anything from Groups.io from the Spam folder into the Inbox folder.

I consider myself a slightly-better than average computer user (but FAR from a professional IT and not even in the same league with the moderators and some other users of this group) and it took me a while to figure a solution. I can see where the average user that only wants to read their email (especially one like me that really doesn't want to read the mail on-line) would have difficulty setting this up. Why can't Comcast just create a button that allows 'mail from this domain' be not marked as spam? I know, rhetorical question.

Dave


Re: Reinstating Easy Transfer (or paying for it) since Yahoo extended deadline? #yahoo #transfer

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Karen Scarr wrote:
I saw in a post here that Mark would be willing to upload the mbox files (I assume this would yield the same benefit of using Easy Transfer, yes?) if I pay for Premium Yearly ($220).? Does that offer still stand?? If so I'd love to do it.?
Karen -- At least one person has recently (January 9) reported that groups.io will import your mbox file in exchange for a Premium Yearly payment. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/69538488#27265?for a discussion, and also the ?(15th bullet).

You must, of course, make the appropriate group upgrade payment, contact support at?[email protected], provide Mark with the mbox file(s) in some manner, and let him know into which [sub]group you want them to go.

Please note that this is the ONLY way to import your messages while retaining posting date and message ownership.

While we're at it, take a good look at your mbox files (open one in NotePad or similar) and look at some of the message headers. Are the sending email addresses truncated (i.e.: lacking domain information)? If so, importing the files may not be possible.

I've had really mixed results with this...sometimes Yahoo has provided mbox files with truncated email addresses, and sometimes not, even for the same group. Generally speaking, anyone attempting this should try to obtain Moderator status before requesting an export via the Y!G Privacy Dashboard.

Hope this helps,
Bruce



Re: What are the issues we may face with Direct Adding members? #direct

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:44 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
but if they ever want to visit any other group area (Files, Photos, etc***), then they would have to complete (i.e. add a password) to their GIO account, right?
No, they can have a login link emailed to them.? See /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Logging-In? Since it goes to their email address, no one can impersonate them unless they have access to the email address.? There have been a few cases that I know of where a member never had a password, but would log in now and then.? (If you visit at least once per 30 days and don't delete cookies, you don't need to log in again.)

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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Thanks Mark and Robert for the explanation of the term. It's a usage I'm not familar with.

I will procede with my plans for other subgroups for logical geographical sub-parts of the county.

Malcolm.


 

One of our group members is not receiving emails that everyone else is. They use Outlook as their mail application.
Their delivery log shows: "451 4.7.650 The mail server [xxxxxxxxx] has been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation."

?It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume coming from Groups IO.

Is there a fix for this?
Thanks!


Re: What are the issues we may face with Direct Adding members? #direct

 

Duane,


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:00 PM, Duane wrote:
Anyone that's a member of a group has an account.? They won't initially have a password (and really don't need one if they don't want.)
That's one thing I haven't tested, but your statement is true if one just uses only email to communicate, but if they ever want to visit any other group area (Files, Photos, etc***), then they would have to complete (i.e. add a password) to their GIO account, right?? This is my current understanding, otherwise someone could pretend to be that member and go there with no password.

(*** assuming the group is setup as such that access is to members only, not public)

Cheers,
Christos