Bob,

... then not knowing I went into messages to send a message as a test
it said you had to wait till it was accepted,

I think the only problem is that the weekend got in the way.

Because some spammers were abusing Groups.io the ability to have a new group show up in the group directory now requires approval by Groups.io.

I didn't know, but it is possible, that the ability to post messages is also held until the new group is approved. If this is the case, it now being Monday your problem may resolve itself.


The other thing to watch for is that your test message may be held awaiting approval from a group moderator (you).

Go to the group's Settings page and in the Spam Control set of options, see if your group has checked either "Moderated" or "New Users Moderated". If either of those are checked they would apply to your own messages even though you are the group owner.

The button to open the Settings page is in the Admin group - click on Admin to open that up to show you the group administrative controls.

In the Admin group is also the Pending page - where you'll likely find your test message awaiting your approval.

Shal

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Bob, you need to give more details.

At what point were you stymied?
Are you trying to start a brand new group or transfer an existing group from Yahoo or GoogleGroups?
What error message do you receive?
Is it because the name isn't unique?
Perhaps you actually successfully created a group, and received an email which landed in your junk mail, and then you can't use that name again?
Details will help people help you!

Cheers,
Frances

Hi all,

This week's change log:



* Using the TinyMCE editor for the wiki now.

Yay! Mostly. I've run into some quirks when editing pages created by the prior (Summernote) editor.

For one thing, the Enter key doesn't always put the line break in a sensible place with respect to the span of surrounding text. So, for example, trying to add a new section after an existing one you end up adding the new section name within the span of the existing paragraph, and when you select a Header format for the new section name, the entire prior paragraph becomes header format. Surprising and frustrating.

I fix that by going into the Source code and moving the tags around, but if you're not familiar with HTML that wouldn't be an obvious thing to do.

Mark's on the case though, so by the time you read this it might be straightened out.


* Replaced charmap dialog in the Wiki TinyMCE editor with a Font Awesome icon selector.

I love having the icons available. But I regret losing the Special character selector - the two sets are disjoint and there are some things I'd use in the special character set (fractions, math symbols, accented and greek characters, etc.) that are not in the icon set.

I can probably get those using HTML character entity references in Source code mode, but the selector was convenient.


* When parsing photo exif code, if the taken date/time is in the future, set it to now (timezones aren't included in EXIF data, which could explain it).

That's what I've observed with my old-school DSLR camera: the EXIF time stamps are local time. They have to be because it knows nothing of UTC time. My suggestion would be to treat the EXIF time data as being in the uploading member's time zone as a best guess.

My cell phone camera on the other hand inserts a bunch of time stamps, including GPS date and time which is UTC. But it might not do that if I turned off location service before taking the photo. And I think it has a setting for whether to including such info in the photos. And probably every cell phone is different in whether and how it includes such data. It isn't clear that it would be worth trying to interpret these entries when they're present.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

* INTERNAL: Tracking some additional statistics.
* NEW: Reply To Sender Only hashtags.
* BUGFIX: Fix crash when handling errors using the new version of the Stripe API.
* BUGFIX: Fixed pending message link cleaning for links with embedded HTML tags.
* BUGFIX: Fixed some issues with the TinyMCE editor on mobile.
* CHANGE: Clear form on entering the New Topic page, to prevent double submissions when navigating with the back button.
* CHANGE: Yahoo changed something with their code, breaking our archive scraper. Fixed.
* INTERNAL: When deleting a group, don't hold database locks while (slowly) deleting S3 objects.
* BUGFIX: Fixed case where duplicate drafts could show up in the Drafts view.
* BUGFIX: Fixed case where viewing a draft of a reply would not open up the reply window.
* CHANGE: Return to the correct page after editing subject of a topic.
* BUGFIX: Fixed editing pending messages with the new editor.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

Ginny,

I'm having trouble with it on the iPad. It's ok on the laptop
(I think)

I've added a quirk I've noticed to this wiki page. If you can characterize what you've encountered please report it here, and possibly to [email protected]
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks

Shal

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On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 06:03 pm, THE SWIGG CATS wrote:

We suspect that of the 250 members showing in the Yahoo! version of [redacted], most have stopped participating

?Hi, the yahoo group is actually showing only 29 members. I was looking at the message count for the month.?

“Bond Gurlz” are allowed to be members of the new Groups.IO group

Thanks, I'll check that out. ;)

How many cats own you?
I am currently owned by 4 cats.
J
p.s. Shal, I'm hijacking this thread: do you know if the block quote in this new editor is fully functional? It seems not to work if you've touched the text in any way prior to invoking it. It's driving me nuts...

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 04:03 pm, jkm wrote:

It seems unnecessariy sweeping

Hear! Hear! I agree this seems?unnecessarily sweeping and would like clarification.

?

Jane,

? I'd very much like to hear a thorough explanation and discussion -
lawyers' arguments in plain English - of everything I have underlined.

IANAL ("I Am Not A Lawyer"), but here's my understanding.

_any_

Messages, Photos, Files, Wiki content, etc.

_you hereby grant and will grant Groups.io and its affiliated
companies_

hereby - By accepting this agreement. The "and will grant" I'm not as sure of, but I think the lawyer is extending your grant to future time because you will be uploading new content after "now". The affiliated companies would be any companies that Groups.io contracts with, for example purchasing online storage from AWS (Amazon Web Services).

_royalty free, fully paid up, transferable, sub licensable or,
perpetual, irrevocable license to copy, display, upload, perform,
distribute, store, modify and otherwise use your User Content_

Well, there's a mouthful.

Although you retain copyright to your contributions, this license (aka "permission") means that you can't ask Groups.io to pay for your content, to take down your content, nor can you restrict how they use it. EXCEPT

in connection with the operation of the Service.

Is usually interpreted to mean that they can't use your content in their advertising or in some other service of theirs. That meaning is backed up by the following sentence:

The Company will not use any User Content you provide to any email
group for any purpose other than to provide the Services, for the
operation of the Services and to otherwise improve or enhance the
Services.

"The Service" is limited by the Services Description section near the top. Which is remarkably terse!

Services Description

The Service is designed to make it easy to create, manage, run and
find email groups.

So, in the event you got into a legal contest with Groups.io, the lawyers would make hay arguing about whether a given use (or from your point of view, misuse) falls within that description.

The key thing that caught my eye was "perpetual, irrevocable". Contrast this with the last sentence of section 9.1 of Yahoo's TOS:

This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to
include such Content on the Yahoo Services and will terminate at the
time you remove or Yahoo removes such Content from the Yahoo Services.

So, Yahoo allows you to remove (delete) your content, and when you do Yahoo loses its license to display or use it. In fact, there have been times (when Yahoo Customer Care was more active than now) when a former member of a group could call upon Customer Care to delete their content even when the moderators of the group removed the member specifically to prevent such removal. Customer Care would ask the group owner to delete the content, or allow the former member back in to delete it, on penalty of having the group itself deleted by Customer Care. So they took that clause of the TOS seriously.

Shal

Re granting Groups Io's license to use our content

"By uploading any?User Content you hereby grant and will grant Groups.io and its?affiliated?companies?a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty free, fully paid?up,?transferable, sub licensable?or,?perpetual, irrevocable license to?copy, display, upload, perform, distribute, store, modify and?otherwise?use your User Content?in connection with the operation of the Service.

THE SWIGG CATS,

... the owner of one [Yahoo] group recently created a Groups IO
version of said group. Posts from new members of said group are
moderated, which we believe is standard operating procedure for
Groups IO, ...

As with Yahoo Groups, the moderation policy for a Groups.io group is set by the group's management (mods with the permission to change it, or owners). It may be that the defaults for a new group include moderation of posts, I don't recall.

Unfortunately, in the case of the new group entitled "[redacted]" ...
the owner appears to have created the group and then disappeared into
thin air. ...
Is there anything that can be done so that the six members can post
messages and have those messages show up?

I'm in agreement with what J wrote: not much time has elapsed yet and it may be that the owner of the Groups.io group does not consider it "active" yet - that it was created primarily as a placeholder or test bed for learning while waiting to see what happens with the Yahoo Group.

You didn't mention whether the Yahoo Group is still active, or whether the management of it has made any announcements about moving to Groups.io. If the Yahoo Group is still active then there's probably no reason to be concerned about the Groups.io group yet.

So, if you haven't already, one thing to try is contacting the group management to see what they have to say. Use the "Owner" contact email address for both the Yahoo Group and the Groups.io group. The addresses are listed on the groups' home pages.

To address your question directly, as far as I know Groups.io has not yet set any policy or procedure in place to handle situations where the group management becomes unresponsive. So your best bet for that would probably be to contact [email protected] for assistance. But I'd let that wait until you've exhausted other avenues.

Shal