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12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point

 

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I don¡¯t greatly wish to lay a long Cat6 cable to my ¡®scope, so I¡¯m hoping I can find a good AP that can connect to my ethernet network.? Needs to be suitable to use outside, and run off 12V.

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Recommendations most welcome.

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PS I¡¯m in the UK if that makes a difference.

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Thanks

David

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Any of the Ubiquiti mesh access points are a good choice. They all do PoE, so you only need to run a single cat5e (or better) to it with a (usually provided) PoE injector in-line with the cable back at your switch/router farther inside the house, or no PoE injector at all if you have an ethernet switch that features PoE ports.

On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:45, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

I don¡¯t greatly wish to lay a long Cat6 cable to my ¡®scope, so I¡¯m hoping I can find a good AP that can connect to my ethernet network. Needs to be suitable to use outside, and run off 12V.
Recommendations most welcome.
PS I¡¯m in the UK if that makes a difference.
Thanks
David
 

That's the whole point - I already have a WAP and router, I just want a wireless connection from the telescope to the network - i.e. no ethernet cables except on the 'scope.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: 21 October 2024 18:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point


Any of the Ubiquiti mesh access points are a good choice. They all do PoE, so you only need to run a single cat5e (or better) to it with a (usually provided) PoE injector in-line with the cable back at your switch/router farther inside the house, or no PoE injector at all if you have an ethernet switch that features PoE ports.




On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:45, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

I don¡¯t greatly wish to lay a long Cat6 cable to my ¡®scope, so I¡¯m hoping I can find a good AP that can connect to my ethernet network. Needs to be suitable to use outside, and run off 12V.
Recommendations most welcome.
PS I¡¯m in the UK if that makes a difference.
Thanks
David
 

Huh? You literally said that you were looking for an access point ("... so I'm hoping I can find a good AP...") so I pointed you at one that is both weatherproof and is powered by PoE; two common features of outdoor access points. The one I pointed you at would be mounted on the outside of your home/building and optionally be equipped with external antennas; even directional ones. Your imaging PC would have its own wifi capability and the external AP would have a single ethernet cable that is ran internally inside your home to wherever your router/switch is located. Perhaps you didn't fully articulate your requirements or have something else in mind?

On Oct 21, 2024, at 13:32, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

That's the whole point - I already have a WAP and router, I just want a wireless connection from the telescope to the network - i.e. no ethernet cables except on the 'scope.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: 21 October 2024 18:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point


Any of the Ubiquiti mesh access points are a good choice. They all do PoE, so you only need to run a single cat5e (or better) to it with a (usually provided) PoE injector in-line with the cable back at your switch/router farther inside the house, or no PoE injector at all if you have an ethernet switch that features PoE ports.




On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:45, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

I don¡¯t greatly wish to lay a long Cat6 cable to my ¡®scope, so I¡¯m hoping I can find a good AP that can connect to my ethernet network. Needs to be suitable to use outside, and run off 12V.
Recommendations most welcome.
PS I¡¯m in the UK if that makes a difference.
Thanks
David
 

OK my terminology was wrong. I want to have a laptop at the telescope connected to a "box" that connects to my wifi network and has a couple of ethernet ports, one for the G-2 and one for the laptopn.

So, I need a recommendation for that "box" (and maybe a correct nomenclature ...).

D.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: 21 October 2024 18:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point


Huh? You literally said that you were looking for an access point ("... so I'm hoping I can find a good AP...") so I pointed you at one that is both weatherproof and is powered by PoE; two common features of outdoor access points. The one I pointed you at would be mounted on the outside of your home/building and optionally be equipped with external antennas; even directional ones. Your imaging PC would have its own wifi capability and the external AP would have a single ethernet cable that is ran internally inside your home to wherever your router/switch is located. Perhaps you didn't fully articulate your requirements or have something else in mind?


On Oct 21, 2024, at 13:32, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

That's the whole point - I already have a WAP and router, I just want a wireless connection from the telescope to the network - i.e. no ethernet cables except on the 'scope.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
Sent: 21 October 2024 18:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point


Any of the Ubiquiti mesh access points are a good choice. They all do PoE, so you only need to run a single cat5e (or better) to it with a (usually provided) PoE injector in-line with the cable back at your switch/router farther inside the house, or no PoE injector at all if you have an ethernet switch that features PoE ports.




On Oct 21, 2024, at 12:45, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:

I don¡¯t greatly wish to lay a long Cat6 cable to my ¡®scope, so I¡¯m hoping I can find a good AP that can connect to my ethernet network. Needs to be suitable to use outside, and run off 12V.
Recommendations most welcome.
PS I¡¯m in the UK if that makes a difference.
Thanks
David
 

Hi David,
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I use a GL.iNet GL-AXT1800 in 2.4ghz mode as a AP/Repeater. It is powered by USB C if you have access to that connection at your telescope - mine is connected to my NUC for power.
It also has two ethernet ports if you want to connect the Gemini-2 etc..
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Good luck,
Ken
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I also use the GL.iNet GL-AXT1800. I¡¯ve tried a few and that one has worked the best so far
 
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I can second using GL.iNET routers, I have been using them on the mount for many years and have kept upgrading as they released newer faster versions.? The current model which I am using that makes the most sense to me is the compact Slate-AX AKA GL-AXT1800.? You can go faster on 5GHz. with a Beryl-AX but there is not a lot of advantage to it if you need to use the 2.5GHz. band for reliability.? As a person using ASIAIR which had about the worse Wi-Fi implementation imaginable I figured out how to add a wired travel router was key.? Initially everyone including ZWO said it did not work, but in fact it worked perfectly and fully resolved the Wi-Fi problems of the ASIAIR.? When the original Slate routers came out they had a built-in 3 port switch which eliminated the necessity of adding a small switch as I had been doing previously so now the Slate travel router solution also allowed access to the Gemin 2 over Ethernet without the extra piece of admittedly small piece of networking hardware which is how I have been using Gemini 2 for years.? The Slate travel routers have always had retained the 3 port switch feature as does the Slate-AX.? The Beryl-AX only has one LAN port but it can be reconfigured as a second LAN port if needed as would be the case for an ASIAIR user.??
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The other great feature not often talked about for regular Gemin 2 users is that these routers can be configured to act as bridge router from the Gemin 2 on the mount to the home LAN over Wi-Fi.? So you can have access in the basement or wherever from the house Wi-Fi LAN out to the Gemini 2 using the Slate-AX as a bridge router.? ?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

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That Slate-AX sounds great apart from the USB-C port for power.?? I have 12V DC barrel connectors on my power box but nothing that has USB-C ?

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I guess I need to find a 12v to USB-C power supply.

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D.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chip Louie
Sent: 21 October 2024 20:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point

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[Reason: sorry, missed this last bit which was the important part for the OP. ]

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I can second using GL.iNET routers, I have been using them on the mount for many years and have kept upgrading as they released newer faster versions.? The current model which I am using that makes the most sense to me is the compact Slate-AX AKA GL-AXT1800.? You can go faster on 5GHz. with a Beryl-AX but there is not a lot of advantage to it if you need to use the 2.5GHz. band for reliability.? As a person using ASIAIR which had about the worse Wi-Fi implementation imaginable I figured out how to add a wired travel router was key.? Initially everyone including ZWO said it did not work, but in fact it worked perfectly and fully resolved the Wi-Fi problems of the ASIAIR.? When the original Slate routers came out they had a built-in 3 port switch which eliminated the necessity of adding a small switch as I had been doing previously so now the Slate travel router solution also allowed access to the Gemin 2 over Ethernet without the extra piece of admittedly small piece of networking hardware which is how I have been using Gemini 2 for years.? The Slate travel routers have always had retained the 3 port switch feature as does the Slate-AX.? The Beryl-AX only has one LAN port but it can be reconfigured as a second LAN port if needed as would be the case for an ASIAIR user.??

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The other great feature not often talked about for regular Gemin 2 users is that these routers can be configured to act as bridge router from the Gemin 2 on the mount to the home LAN over Wi-Fi.? So you can have access in the basement or wherever from the house Wi-Fi LAN out to the Gemini 2 using the Slate-AX as a bridge router.? ?

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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

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That sounds like using your laptop with a docking station having an ethernet port for the gemini and appropriate ports for the camera(s) involved. ? ?The laptop is the one that would connect with wifi. ?Might need a wifi extender to reach the laptop when outside. ?


On Oct 21, 2024, at 2:52?PM, Ryan Noonan via groups.io <repast_twerps0r@...> wrote:

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I also use the GL.iNet GL-AXT1800. I¡¯ve tried a few and that one has worked the best so far
 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 07:03 PM, William Thomas wrote:
That sounds like using your laptop with a docking station having an ethernet port for the gemini and appropriate ports for the camera(s) involved. ? ?The laptop is the one that would connect with wifi. ?Might need a wifi extender to reach the laptop when outside. ?

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On Oct 21, 2024, at 2:52?PM, Ryan Noonan via groups.io <repast_twerps0r@...> wrote:

I also use the GL.iNet GL-AXT1800. I¡¯ve tried a few and that one has worked the best so far
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The Slate-AX needs an honest 5V@2A supply to run reliably and more is a plus if running multiple 1GBs connection on the internal switch.? I tried to use a standard 1A USB type A port for power on my DIY power pack and it was not reliable.? I had to add a dedicated output for the Slate-AX router.? There are common 5.5 x 2.1mm (and other barrels I'm sure) to USB-C shorty cables and adapters available so you should be able to use your existing powerbox ports NP.? ? ? ?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

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Most of those seem to be USB-C *to* barrel connector (IOW power from the USB-C PD port setup to deliver 5V?? to the barrel connector).

Is there one you know of that takes 12V from a barrel connector and drives a USB-C PD ?

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David

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chip Louie
Sent: 22 October 2024 04:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point

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On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 07:03 PM, William Thomas wrote:

That sounds like using your laptop with a docking station having an ethernet port for the gemini and appropriate ports for the camera(s) involved. ? ?The laptop is the one that would connect with wifi. ?Might need a wifi extender to reach the laptop when outside. ?

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On Oct 21, 2024, at 2:52?PM, Ryan Noonan via groups.io <repast_twerps0r@...> wrote:

I also use the GL.iNet GL-AXT1800. I¡¯ve tried a few and that one has worked the best so far

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The Slate-AX needs an honest 5V@2A supply to run reliably and more is a plus if running multiple 1GBs connection on the internal switch.? I tried to use a standard 1A USB type A port for power on my DIY power pack and it was not reliable.? I had to add a dedicated output for the Slate-AX router.? There are common 5.5 x 2.1mm (and other barrels I'm sure) to USB-C shorty cables and adapters available so you should be able to use your existing powerbox ports NP.? ? ? ?

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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 06:03 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Is there one you know of that takes 12V from a barrel connector and drives a USB-C PD ?

Don't really know much about it, but would something like this work?? 5v@3A from 12V DC, waterproof, and has a USB-C connector:

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Hi Paul,

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That seems plausible even if it fails the aesthetic tests.

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Thanks, David

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Kanevsky
Sent: 22 October 2024 12:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 06:03 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Is there one you know of that takes 12V from a barrel connector and drives a USB-C PD ?

Don't really know much about it, but would something like this work?? 5v@3A from 12V DC, waterproof, and has a USB-C connector:

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On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:50 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:

That Slate-AX sounds great apart from the USB-C port for power.?? I have 12V DC barrel connectors on my power box but nothing that has USB-C ?

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I guess I need to find a 12v to USB-C power supply.

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D.

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I use one of the GL.iNet routers with the USB C connection for DC power from my PegausAstro PowerPocket Advanced. If you can solder, it's pretty easy to take a barrel pigtail and USB C power pigtail (; note the correct polarity) and solder them together using a lineman's splice. Cover up each splice with heat shrink and, voila, you have an adapter cable; otherwise, get butt connectors and splice them that way. I just prefer soldered connections.
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Regards,
Joel
 

I just saw a new that¡¯s rated for outdoor use and is supposed to have a very generous coverage. Maybe this is what you¡¯re looking for??
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let me warn you beforehand though, it is most certainly not inexpensive by any definition of the word lol
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 04:33 AM, Joel Black wrote:
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:50 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:

That Slate-AX sounds great apart from the USB-C port for power.?? I have 12V DC barrel connectors on my power box but nothing that has USB-C ?

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I guess I need to find a 12v to USB-C power supply.

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D.

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I use one of the GL.iNet routers with the USB C connection for DC power from my PegausAstro PowerPocket Advanced. If you can solder, it's pretty easy to take a barrel pigtail and USB C power pigtail (; note the correct polarity) and solder them together using a lineman's splice. Cover up each splice with heat shrink and, voila, you have an adapter cable; otherwise, get butt connectors and splice them that way. I just prefer soldered connections.
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Regards,
Joel
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The question is are you using the adjustable power output of the PAPPA or a regular 12v output?? ?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 04:31 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Hi Paul,

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That seems plausible even if it fails the aesthetic tests.

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Thanks, David

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Kanevsky
Sent: 22 October 2024 12:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] 12V Exterior grade Wireless Access Point

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 06:03 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Is there one you know of that takes 12V from a barrel connector and drives a USB-C PD ?

Don't really know much about it, but would something like this work?? 5v@3A from 12V DC, waterproof, and has a USB-C connector:

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I have a tech support question in GL.iNet regarding the Slate-AX USB C port's 12v tolerance.? Many of these ports are independently regulated at the input and can tolerate some higher voltages at the input.? ?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

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I just heard back from GL.iNet tech support and the Slate-AX is not 12v tolerant.? So as expected you need to use a 5v power source.?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?

Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
 

Ooh... Glad you caught that. I use the variable output of my PPBA set to 5 VDC. Sorry about that. I completely forgot.
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Regards,
Joel

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