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Mk II Scratch-build May 2018 -- some questions

 

Hi there,

I'm planning a scratch-build (own parts, own boards) of the Mk II transceiver for 40 and 20m.? I have some questions:

  1. The Mk II instruction manual refers to T1, an FT50-43 impedance matching transformer on the output of the xtal IF filter, but this is missing from the MkII exciter circuit diagram.? I assume T1 was replaced by the 200 ohm resistor between Cs and the 10nF on pin 4 of the MC1350P.?

  2. I plan to use a 9MHz 6-pole crystal filter for SSB, around 2.4kHz .? I found references in this group to CP1-5 (initially 68pF, then 100pF).? This range seems typical for such a filter.? I have run up Dishal but the filter topology it assumes for 6 crystals is not a straight ladder, it is an asymmetrical arrangement with a central C.? I'll start with 100pFs and see how it sounds.?

  3. There are three capacitors in series with the crystal filter, Cs, for which I cannot find a value.??

  4. I plan to heatsink the two RD16HHF1 PA FETs against the aluminium case.? No insulation kits required as the devices tab is its source.? Does the RD16HHF1 driver need heatsinking?? If so, can it be bolted to a small finned heatsink on the board, or does it need to be mounted flat against the aluminium case as well?? ?

  5. Finally, I have a LiPO 4S pack which produces 14.8 V fully charged, and a LiFePO 4 pack which has the potential to produce 14.4 v fully charged. I use these packs with QRP IRF510 PAs and I get a bit extra juice.? Will these slightly higher voltages stress the Mk II PA in any way?


Thanks in anticipation, looking forward to sharing progress on this project, regards Paul VK3HN.??


Re: IRWELL PROJECT

 

Hello Frank,
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In Poland we work on very similar subject. We invite you to have a look.?
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Best regards
George SP5RZM
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W dniu 2018-04-29 20:54:58 u?ytkownik G6YAQ via Groups.Io <knarf1@...> napisa?:

Hello to all homebrewers,
Just to let you know I visited Andy G6LBQ a few days ago and saw that the IRWELL TRANSCEIVER is very much alive and kicking,latest update is that it will be double conversion,with H mode mixer,front end preamp, and Hi p3,Ham Bands and also General coverage on CW,SSB,AM,FM.To go with this will be a first class IF filter system and audio design etc,so it will be a top of the range RX! which is very near to completion. (it appears there is nothing like it on the market for us at present).The TX will also be of an upmarket spec with all the trimmings..
Andy who has designed the IRWELL from scratch has had some personal problems etc, which has meant a delay on progress has put an enormous amount of personal time devoted to the project which is now coming to fruition hopfully in the near future full details of the IRWELL will be revealed by Andy on here he says in a very short while, along with pic's of the prototype modules and test results.I know I just can't wait to get the solder smoking again,how about You?
So thats it for now our loyal group has something exciting and worth waiting for.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Best 73? G6YAQ (Frank)
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IRWELL PROJECT

 

Hello to all homebrewers,
Just to let you know I visited Andy G6LBQ a few days ago and saw that the IRWELL TRANSCEIVER is very much alive and kicking,latest update is that it will be double conversion,with H mode mixer,front end preamp, and Hi p3,Ham Bands and also General coverage on CW,SSB,AM,FM.To go with this will be a first class IF filter system and audio design etc,so it will be a top of the range RX! which is very near to completion. (it appears there is nothing like it on the market for us at present).The TX will also be of an upmarket spec with all the trimmings..
Andy who has designed the IRWELL from scratch has had some personal problems etc, which has meant a delay on progress has put an enormous amount of personal time devoted to the project which is now coming to fruition hopfully in the near future full details of the IRWELL will be revealed by Andy on here he says in a very short while, along with pic's of the prototype modules and test results.I know I just can't wait to get the solder smoking again,how about You?
So thats it for now our loyal group has something exciting and worth waiting for.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Best 73? G6YAQ (Frank)


Re: Search UBITX multibands

 


Sorry dear I have bad information, I just write to G6lbq because Italian friend council me the multi and by him.... I undestund bad the name , I think G6lbq multibands have ubtix?name... and bitx is the mono band version... sorry again?
I search the multi and version for try in our future activity.. ?73 Ant?



____________________________
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MDXC #004
www.mdxc.org/iz8ccw
ARRL DXCC Card Checker


Da: "Alan de G1FXB" G1FXB@...
A: [email protected], iz8ccw@...
Cc:
Data: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 19:56:06 +0100
Oggetto: Re: [G6LBQ] Search UBITX multibands

Hi Ant,

The main focus for this group is the multi band BiTX design by G6LBQ
You may find that Farhan's original BiTX20 group a better place to put a wanted ad, as the uBitx is another one of his designs?
Try:-

[email protected]
?
There have being a few being advertised for sale by people who have since changed their priorities.

Best regards Alan

On 18/04/2018 08:44, iz8ccw@... wrote:

hi, i m interessed to buy a UBITX multibands, for used and testing in next dxpedition. any proposals please via email iz8ccw@... 73 Ant




Re: Search UBITX multibands

 

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Hi Ant,

The main focus for this group is the multi band BiTX design by G6LBQ
You may find that Farhan's original BiTX20 group a better place to put a wanted ad, as the uBitx is another one of his designs?
Try:-

[email protected]
?
There have being a few being advertised for sale by people who have since changed their priorities.

Best regards Alan

On 18/04/2018 08:44, iz8ccw@... wrote:

hi, i m interessed to buy a UBITX multibands, for used and testing in next dxpedition. any proposals please via email iz8ccw@... 73 Ant


Search UBITX multibands

 

hi, i m interessed to buy a UBITX multibands, for used and testing in next dxpedition. any proposals please via email iz8ccw@... 73 Ant


ubitx search for dxpdition

 



?i search a ubitx ready to by for used and test in dxpediiton, any proposals via email iz8ccw@...
thanks in advance Ant
iz8ccw



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MDXC #004
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Re: PCB's Have Arrived

 

Just a question Andy. Have you any MK2 exciter pcb,s left?.. mark elliott g6kqa. I will Skype you if you're still on.


Ssb filter from sotabeams

 

Hi,
Anyone offer advice on best connection points for sotabeam variable ssb audio filter? See sotabeam website sorry have problems with copy and paste on tablet computer.

73
Toni g6xmo.




G6LBQ PCB's and parts

 

Hi All:
The Boards and parts have been spoken for, thanks to everyone who responded.
73 Ross Bell K7RSB


Re: G6LBQ PCB's and components

 

Hello, I'll start at $50.00.

73,
Rick, K6ZWB

On Wed Aug 30 16:49:58 CDT 2017, bellrossjr@... wrote:

HI:
I have the following items for sale:
2- G6LBQ MULTI BAND-BITX PCB's
1- Filter adapter PCB
1- Bandpass filter board
1- Bags of parts of most of the parts required to assemble the
MULTI BAND-BITX.
I not sure what a fair value is for the above items, please make
offer I will include shipping and in the offer.
Thanks for the consideration, 73 K7RSB Ross Bell


G6LBQ PCB's and components

 

HI:
I have the following items for sale:
2- G6LBQ MULTI BAND-BITX PCB's
1- Filter adapter PCB
1- Bandpass filter board
1- Bags of parts of most of the parts required to assemble the MULTI BAND-BITX.
I not sure what a fair value is for the above items, please make offer I will include shipping and in the offer.
Thanks for the consideration, 73 K7RSB Ross Bell


Re: G6LBQ PCB Order Update Progress

 

hi andy , how can I buy? a kit pcb? ?

thanks

Bruno - Lw3DTR


Available PCBs?

Vince Vielhaber
 

Are there any Multiband BPF MK1 boards available that anyone knows about? Failing that, are there any MK2 boards available?

Thanks!
Vince - KA8CSH
--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: PCB's Have Arrived

 

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Hi Mark,

The reissue of the PCB's was sparked by some fresh interest around January time, there were separate threads and an invitation to register for the ones made available at that time.
Have a scroll back to around that time and look.

I think Andy had difficulty contacting some parties when it was time to 'claim their' boards, so there MAYBE some pcb's unclaimed?


Regards Alan


On 11/05/2017 03:20, Mark Flavin wrote:

Trying to find where to order this but the dxkits.com site dont work. ?Link?


Mark

N5MF



Re: PCB's Have Arrived

Mark Flavin
 

Trying to find where to order this but the dxkits.com site dont work. ?Link?


Mark

N5MF


Re: BPF Mk1 poor performance

 

Hi Martin,

There`s much more efective way to check up LPF`s. Try to use a reflective bridge in SWR mode. First close out of LPF with 50 ohm resistor then turn over LPF ports and repeat this check again.

Regards
George
sp5rzm


W dniu 2017-05-08 12:57:18 u?ytkownik Martin Sole <hs0zed@...> napisa?:

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the information. I have tried again and did get slightly
better results though still quite a way from those published in the
multiband directory files. I calibrate my VNWA3E directly at its ports
using an Amphenol SMA calibration kit. The connections to the board
points are through approximately 300mm long RG316 cables terminated in
SMA on one end and hard wired to the board at the other. I suppose there
could be some effects from the point of calibration but I would not
expect such a big change at these relatively low frequencies. I can add
50 ohm 10dB pads to the feed to and from the VNWA and see if that
improves things I guess.

This is an early version with the Spectrum coils not the toroids so I'm
not expecting great things.

During this week I'll try and plot some of the bands as best I can and
do so with reference to the published data for a good comparison.

Martin, HS0ZED




On 06/05/2017 10:12, Adrian Rees (MW1LCR) wrote:
Hello Martin

I built the filters for my G6LBQ transceiver and aligned them using a
miniVNA and then a spectrum analyser.

The miniVNA I used (initially) needed calibrating as the first
measurements indicated poor performance of the filters. I also
discovered that the terminating resistors I used as a 50 Ohm load were
not 50 Ohm's! Once I had re-calibrated the miniVNA (and using a pair
of 100 Ohm resistors in parallel as a 50 Ohm load) I managed to get some
pretty good results. The insertion loss (if I remember correctly) was
around 0.5 - 1.0dB and the band pass filters had a very nice shape.

Of course some diodes generate noise when used as switching diodes which
may also be causing your VNA to indicate erroneous measurements(I have
experienced this as well). I have also had trouble with diode switching
in the past, with other projects and ended up aligning each filter
independently (ie no switching diodes connected) because of noise
generation, and then only to discover that some of the diodes had
failed.....

So I suppose I would check the calibration of your VNA, check that the
50 Ohm loads are actually 50 Ohm, then try each filter independently
(with no diodes connected you are just testing the L & C components as a
single band unswitched filter) before discounting the locally sourced
Capacitors as dodgy.

Measuring the G6LBQ filters on a spectrum analyser, indicates that the
measurements published in the build guides are accurate.

I hope that provides some info for you to consider.

Let me know if I can help further.

Regards

Adrian M1LCR




On 06/05/2017 02:42, Martin Sole wrote:
I recently bought a bunch of parts and boards to build a multi band
transceiver including some of the new boards that Andy recently
produced. Amongst the various modules was an almost complete kit of
parts for a Mk1 BPF using the spectrum coils. Over the last couple of
days I put this together along with cheap ceramic capacitors that I
sourced locally in addition to some that were supplied with the boards
and other parts.

Once I fixed a minor problem where I had a shorted 390 ohm resistor in
one side of the diode switching all seems to function, sort of. I'm
using 1N4148 switching diodes with 100 ohm resistors as per the Mk1
BPF build instructions.

I have a VNWA3E and have used this to sweep and adjust the filters.
All 9 filters with the possible exception of 20m look to be quite
poor. Most having significant in band insertion loss, several up to
20dB! All filters do tune and I can approximate the curves shown in
the various documents though not exactly in all cases.

I am wondering if the locally supplied ceramic capacitors maybe of
such poor quality as to affect the filter Q or if this is a non issue.
If it is what is recommended. I would also like to know if anyone has
made comparisons against the published data and found it sufficiently
close.

I plan on building the later toroid based filter for my multi band t/r
but would like to use the canned coil version for other projects,
external switched filter for an SDR as an example but would hope it
has better performance than the current Atten-u-filter!

Any thoughts.

Thanks

Martin, HS0ZED












Re: BPF Mk1 poor performance

 

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the information. I have tried again and did get slightly better results though still quite a way from those published in the multiband directory files. I calibrate my VNWA3E directly at its ports using an Amphenol SMA calibration kit. The connections to the board points are through approximately 300mm long RG316 cables terminated in SMA on one end and hard wired to the board at the other. I suppose there could be some effects from the point of calibration but I would not expect such a big change at these relatively low frequencies. I can add 50 ohm 10dB pads to the feed to and from the VNWA and see if that improves things I guess.

This is an early version with the Spectrum coils not the toroids so I'm not expecting great things.

During this week I'll try and plot some of the bands as best I can and do so with reference to the published data for a good comparison.

Martin, HS0ZED

On 06/05/2017 10:12, Adrian Rees (MW1LCR) wrote:
Hello Martin

I built the filters for my G6LBQ transceiver and aligned them using a
miniVNA and then a spectrum analyser.

The miniVNA I used (initially) needed calibrating as the first
measurements indicated poor performance of the filters. I also
discovered that the terminating resistors I used as a 50 Ohm load were
not 50 Ohm's! Once I had re-calibrated the miniVNA (and using a pair
of 100 Ohm resistors in parallel as a 50 Ohm load) I managed to get some
pretty good results. The insertion loss (if I remember correctly) was
around 0.5 - 1.0dB and the band pass filters had a very nice shape.

Of course some diodes generate noise when used as switching diodes which
may also be causing your VNA to indicate erroneous measurements(I have
experienced this as well). I have also had trouble with diode switching
in the past, with other projects and ended up aligning each filter
independently (ie no switching diodes connected) because of noise
generation, and then only to discover that some of the diodes had
failed.....

So I suppose I would check the calibration of your VNA, check that the
50 Ohm loads are actually 50 Ohm, then try each filter independently
(with no diodes connected you are just testing the L & C components as a
single band unswitched filter) before discounting the locally sourced
Capacitors as dodgy.

Measuring the G6LBQ filters on a spectrum analyser, indicates that the
measurements published in the build guides are accurate.

I hope that provides some info for you to consider.

Let me know if I can help further.

Regards

Adrian M1LCR




On 06/05/2017 02:42, Martin Sole wrote:
I recently bought a bunch of parts and boards to build a multi band
transceiver including some of the new boards that Andy recently
produced. Amongst the various modules was an almost complete kit of
parts for a Mk1 BPF using the spectrum coils. Over the last couple of
days I put this together along with cheap ceramic capacitors that I
sourced locally in addition to some that were supplied with the boards
and other parts.

Once I fixed a minor problem where I had a shorted 390 ohm resistor in
one side of the diode switching all seems to function, sort of. I'm
using 1N4148 switching diodes with 100 ohm resistors as per the Mk1
BPF build instructions.

I have a VNWA3E and have used this to sweep and adjust the filters.
All 9 filters with the possible exception of 20m look to be quite
poor. Most having significant in band insertion loss, several up to
20dB! All filters do tune and I can approximate the curves shown in
the various documents though not exactly in all cases.

I am wondering if the locally supplied ceramic capacitors maybe of
such poor quality as to affect the filter Q or if this is a non issue.
If it is what is recommended. I would also like to know if anyone has
made comparisons against the published data and found it sufficiently
close.

I plan on building the later toroid based filter for my multi band t/r
but would like to use the canned coil version for other projects,
external switched filter for an SDR as an example but would hope it
has better performance than the current Atten-u-filter!

Any thoughts.

Thanks

Martin, HS0ZED








Re: BPF Mk1 poor performance

Adrian Rees (MW1LCR)
 

Hello Martin

I built the filters for my G6LBQ transceiver and aligned them using a
miniVNA and then a spectrum analyser.

The miniVNA I used (initially) needed calibrating as the first
measurements indicated poor performance of the filters. I also
discovered that the terminating resistors I used as a 50 Ohm load were
not 50 Ohm's! Once I had re-calibrated the miniVNA (and using a pair
of 100 Ohm resistors in parallel as a 50 Ohm load) I managed to get some
pretty good results. The insertion loss (if I remember correctly) was
around 0.5 - 1.0dB and the band pass filters had a very nice shape.

Of course some diodes generate noise when used as switching diodes which
may also be causing your VNA to indicate erroneous measurements(I have
experienced this as well). I have also had trouble with diode switching
in the past, with other projects and ended up aligning each filter
independently (ie no switching diodes connected) because of noise
generation, and then only to discover that some of the diodes had
failed.....

So I suppose I would check the calibration of your VNA, check that the
50 Ohm loads are actually 50 Ohm, then try each filter independently
(with no diodes connected you are just testing the L & C components as a
single band unswitched filter) before discounting the locally sourced
Capacitors as dodgy.

Measuring the G6LBQ filters on a spectrum analyser, indicates that the
measurements published in the build guides are accurate.

I hope that provides some info for you to consider.

Let me know if I can help further.

Regards

Adrian M1LCR

On 06/05/2017 02:42, Martin Sole wrote:
I recently bought a bunch of parts and boards to build a multi band
transceiver including some of the new boards that Andy recently
produced. Amongst the various modules was an almost complete kit of
parts for a Mk1 BPF using the spectrum coils. Over the last couple of
days I put this together along with cheap ceramic capacitors that I
sourced locally in addition to some that were supplied with the boards
and other parts.

Once I fixed a minor problem where I had a shorted 390 ohm resistor in
one side of the diode switching all seems to function, sort of. I'm
using 1N4148 switching diodes with 100 ohm resistors as per the Mk1
BPF build instructions.

I have a VNWA3E and have used this to sweep and adjust the filters.
All 9 filters with the possible exception of 20m look to be quite
poor. Most having significant in band insertion loss, several up to
20dB! All filters do tune and I can approximate the curves shown in
the various documents though not exactly in all cases.

I am wondering if the locally supplied ceramic capacitors maybe of
such poor quality as to affect the filter Q or if this is a non issue.
If it is what is recommended. I would also like to know if anyone has
made comparisons against the published data and found it sufficiently
close.

I plan on building the later toroid based filter for my multi band t/r
but would like to use the canned coil version for other projects,
external switched filter for an SDR as an example but would hope it
has better performance than the current Atten-u-filter!

Any thoughts.

Thanks

Martin, HS0ZED






BPF Mk1 poor performance

 

I recently bought a bunch of parts and boards to build a multi band transceiver including some of the new boards that Andy recently produced. Amongst the various modules was an almost complete kit of parts for a Mk1 BPF using the spectrum coils. Over the last couple of days I put this together along with cheap ceramic capacitors that I sourced locally in addition to some that were supplied with the boards and other parts.

Once I fixed a minor problem where I had a shorted 390 ohm resistor in one side of the diode switching all seems to function, sort of. I'm using 1N4148 switching diodes with 100 ohm resistors as per the Mk1 BPF build instructions.

I have a VNWA3E and have used this to sweep and adjust the filters. All 9 filters with the possible exception of 20m look to be quite poor. Most having significant in band insertion loss, several up to 20dB! All filters do tune and I can approximate the curves shown in the various documents though not exactly in all cases.

I am wondering if the locally supplied ceramic capacitors maybe of such poor quality as to affect the filter Q or if this is a non issue. If it is what is recommended. I would also like to know if anyone has made comparisons against the published data and found it sufficiently close.

I plan on building the later toroid based filter for my multi band t/r but would like to use the canned coil version for other projects, external switched filter for an SDR as an example but would hope it has better performance than the current Atten-u-filter!

Any thoughts.

Thanks

Martin, HS0ZED