Sal, ask me a straightforward question.? I will answer it.
You, on the other hand, will not answer a straightforward question.
What do you do instead?? You accuse me of the obfuscation you are engaging in. These are the tactics we see on display on Fox news and other similar outlets.
What else do you do?? Once your weak arguments have been exposed you wheel in the name calling battery.? We call that a desperation move.
But I'm not falling for it.
Maybe best to stay in your friendly confines.? A forum like this where ideas are exchanged can be a dangerous, or at least threatening place.
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 07:48:09 PM CDT, Sal Sunshine <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote:
Oh look son, a racist!
Prove your ¡°fact¡± first, and then I will answer. ?As I do not agree with the premise, I need facts first. You cannot provide them.
What you are engaging in now is called gaslighting, it¡¯s an old, tried and true game of those who have no integrity, to try and turn the tables on the other person when the other person tells them something about themselves that they don¡¯t like.
Too bad.
On Jul 31, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Steve Sundur via groups.io <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
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I asked a simple question.? You obviously are afraid to answer it.
I asked, simply, "Why do you think so many black girls have babies while they are still teenagers, or in their very early twenties"
Since you have indicated this is disgusting racist, and sexist matter I have brought up, I have asked for some clarification. But for you to do so would undermine all your assertions about this being a sexist and racist issue. That is why you will not answer the simple question.
And now you are engaging in comical obfuscation ala Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and others, trying to make it appear that I am one not willing to back up my assertion.
I'm not buying, and I hope others here are not as well.
As me a question about something. I will not be afraid to answer it.
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 06:55:33 PM CDT, Sal Sunshine <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote:
Ok this once I¡¯ll play your stupid game.
You made an assertion, provided no evidence of any sort¡ because you can¡¯t ¡ and then demanded that I ¡°answer¡± it, thereby validating, to some degree, your racist ?and sexist ¡±fact.¡±
Prove it first if you want an answer. You can¡¯t. Until then I will not engage with racism, sexism or any other kind of bigotry. On Jul 31, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Steve Sundur via groups.io <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
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I guess we can conclude, Sal, that you are unwilling, or unable to answer the question posed below. I assume, because it would undermine your assertion that the example?I brought up indicates vile and disgusting sexism, racism, and who knows what else.
When asked to provide one scintilla of evidence along these lines, you have nothing to say.
Of course, when I made my initial comment, you wasted no time in your response.? Like maybe a minute.? And yet, when asked to back up your claim, nothing but silence.??
I'm afraid this is indicative of many of the assertions made here. The truth, or facts, are of secondary importance.? Just a need to vent, I guess.
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:08:28 PM CDT, Steve Sundur via groups.io <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:35:40 AM CDT, Sal Sunshine <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote:
Be glad to answer¡ it¡¯s racist, straight up. ?Also sexist. ?Singling out black women, when the problem runs across most of humanity, while also giving the men who got ?them into these situations a free pass is disgraceful. ?
I dare you to answer this question.??
Why do you think so many black women under the age of 21, including many in their teens, are having babies?
You cannot dispute that this is the case, so why do you think this would be?
On Jul 31, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Steve Sundur via groups.io <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
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On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 08:58:53 AM CDT, Emily Mae via groups.io <emily.mae50@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 08:08 PM, Steve Sundur wrote:
But you seem to imply that any who works hard, who comes up with innovations, and is rewarded thus, is somehow undeserving, and has gamed the system.?
Hey, I don't know what you mean here.? What is the "S" word?? "Structural"?? Are you saying that because I'm acknowledging the existence of "Structural racism", I'm saying what you state above????
I'm sorry.? That was very unclear.? The "S" work I'm referring to was "socialist".? But, since you bring up racism, I am wondering where you draw the line between personal responsibility/accountability and racism, as it pertains to some of the endemic problems in the black community.
For example, do black women giving birth in their teens, with no male figure in the picture, or perhaps a revolving door of black men, is this racism, or a matter of personal choice.??
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