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Uncle Baron - I don't know why you are referring to the Atlantic article, the article discusses differences of opinions among liberals on?public restrictions such as??ocial distancing, outdoor/indoor masking, school re-openings, how best to re-open the economy in a safe manner etc - that's all healthy discussion

But the people mentioned in there aren't some gullible or delusional vaccine deniers, so not sure how they are anything like you or why you would use that article to compare yourself to them or promote yourself???

On May 4, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Bhairitu <noozgurugm@...> wrote:

Ravi, I'll reply anyway. I've never been a conformist.? I think for myself.? I seek out the opinions that are different from the mainstream media because I know how the mainstream media operates.? For decades much of the general public took them with a grain of salt.? Funny that people who consider themselves liberal fall for the "party line".

No, I'm not a Modi supporter.? I was hoping the Singh would have done a better job to raise all boats.? But India is a corrupt and messy country, a problem which is going to take a long time to correct if it ever is.

That Atlantic article nails the problem with superficial liberals like I find here.
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On 5/4/21 1:00 PM, RC wrote:

Thank you Uncle B2 but not happy that a) you are being flippant about this topic, everyone here knows I'm in SoCal ?& b) you are peddling the same theories that contributed to this second wave, you might very well be a Modi supporter. Can you not feel the suffering of people? How can keep denying the obvious? Please don't respond with your same old arguments - have read enough.

On May 4, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Bhairitu <noozgurugm@...> wrote:

Good to hear that your family is well.? It's just that Ann made it sound like you are living in India and I knew better.? Unless they've been there TM people tend to be very naive about India.? It's not the "land of the Ved". ;-)

On 5/4/21 11:34 AM, RC wrote:

Thank you Ann, Emily & Sal!

My family in India - luckily - is doing fine. I'm most concerned about my mom who's 73 and she's been fully vaccinated a few weeks back. She only had a few mild symptoms after each of the doses and she's been mostly home since last year, other than family gatherings with masked and her siblings who are also vaccinated and staying safe.

I have just heard of my sister-in-law's (brother's wife) losing a family member who was 37. Apparently a result of a heart attack from a clot after being discharged, he should have been apparently prescribed blood thinners as one of the medicine used for recovery is known to cause clots (based on what my brother told me). Also heard that my cousin's husband is sick, but recovering at home

Talking to friends from my college days here in US and family members everyone at this point knows someone who's gotten really, in ICU and/or lost a family member. It's been horrible, whatever you are hearing on the news is painfully true. The most common stories I have heard is people panic-stricken trying to find ICU beds.

India with it's structural problems with healthcare cannot handle this. Most of the top hospitals are all for-profit entities, coupled with the absence of health insurance is only for the privileged. You would need at least thousands of dollars to get quality access to healthcare. The poor, lower middle class are dying in droves and not even being recorded as COVID related.

It is horrible how the government and Modi completely disregarded Science and declared premature victory over the virus for political purposes and to maintain his aura among the deluded masses.

Also concerned that the variants have already made it here - I'm hoping for the best. What I'm hearing is that we should be protected against the UK & Indian variants if we are fully vaccinated.

On May 4, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Sal Sunshine <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote:

Same here Ravi.

It sounds like a totally out of control and totally predictable tragedy, the almost inevitable result of science-denial and authoritarianism. ?If nothing else, this should prove how utterly bankrupt their “leader’s” policies are, he was holding super-spreader events until last week or something. ? And it doesn’t even matter how wealthy someone is, two bigwigs from the TMO just succumbed a few days ago.

I’d like to think of Modi spending his last days as “leader” hiding out in his bunker but that probably won’t happen.

And eventually it will affect the rest of us, what happens in India usually ?doesn’t stay there.

Sal

On May 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, awb via <abater@...> wrote:

?I keep thinking about you, Ravi, and your family in India. I hope that they are safe and well although the situation over there is so terribly dire. Let us know of any news if you feel like it.?