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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 09:00 AM, Emily Mae wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:03 AM, awb wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
Here is the thing. I am not sure what "toys for boys and the toys for girls" even means. What toys are strictly for any gender? It just doesn't compute for me. Are you saying that girl dolls are only played with by girls and men/action figure/military dolls are only played with by boys? Why would this be the case? I'll tell you why - because it is learned behavior. All of it is learned by innocent children when they are first handed their gender-friendly/specific toy. It is an insidious thing. In reality, there really is no boy or girl toy. It is the same for clothing. What precludes a boy from wearing a dress or skirt or flowery top? Conditioning by unimaginative parents, that's what. And don't get me started about pink for girls and blue for boys - what the hell is that?!
My daughter loved playing with trucks.? She didn't like pink.? My sister's boy liked pink.? He also loved playing with trucks.? Who doesn't like playing with trucks!?! When he grew up a little and went to school, he quit wearing pink.? A "girl" color.? Unless, of course, it's pearl pink.??
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Exactly. I didn't even realize the pink/blue thing was a thing until about 10 years ago. I was flabbergasted. Such BS. So much is unconsciously dictated to us about all sorts of things. In my sport (riding) the girls are tough, often don't have children, are often single and have day jobs like driving heavy trucks and shoeing horses. Pink just isn't in the computation. My grand nephew is being raised wearing whatever he wants including dresses and pink flowery prints. It will be interesting to see what his adult wardrobe is going to include. I can't wait.

Here¡¯s Why it All Changed: Pink Used to be a Boy¡¯s Color & Blue For Girls

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Recent years have seen some big changes in terms of our perception of gender, with the age-old concepts of gender identities and ¡°norms¡± being challenged and question by people all over the world.

New terms like ¡°gender-neutral¡± and ¡°non-binary¡± have entered the lexicon, but there¡¯s still a lot of progress to be made in this area and there are still a lot of seemingly gender-specific concepts, and even colors.

For years, we¡¯ve all lived and operated in a world where pink is traditionally seen as a feminine color, while blue is reserved for boys. We see this rigid dichotomy everywhere, from greetings cards to children¡¯s clothes.

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Five week old twins newborn wearing pink and blue ¨C boy or girl?

When a new baby is born, parents are typically given countless blue or pink gifts in relation to the child¡¯s gender, but, as strange as it may seem to us nowadays, there was a time when blue was the ¡°feminine¡± color, and pink was more popular with males.

To understand this concept, we have to go back to a time before colors were associated with gender at all. As revealed by Jo B. Paoletti, a professor at the University of Maryland and author of?Pink and Blue: Telling the Boys from the Girls in America, there was once a time well before pink and blue were used to distinguish between boys and girls at all.

Portrait of a young girl in pink dress by Raimundo de Madrazo y Garreta, 1890s

Portrait of a young girl in pink dress by Raimundo de Madrazo y Garreta, 1890s

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Back in those days, society was actually a lot more progressive than it eventually became, with gender-neutral clothing being the norm. All children, whether male or female, were typically dressed in white.

https://youtu.be/MssjjdVAj6k

Both boys and girls would wear dresses at this time, and the color white was chosen due to the fact that it was very easy to clean using bleach. Children wouldn¡¯t really start wearing more colorful attire and gender-specific items like shirts and skirts until they reached the age of six or seven.

Young boy in pink, American school of painting, c. 1840

Young boy in pink, American school of painting, c. 1840

As reported by The List and revealed by Paoletti in her book, the concept of associating individual colors with genders didn¡¯t really start to happen until the mid-19th century.

At this point, light tones and pastel colors started to be more commonly seen on children and associated with little ones. Decades later, the individual colors of pink and blue started to be linked with one gender or the other, but not in the way we might expect. In fact, blue was usually worn by girls and pink was the preferred shade for boys.

The Blue Boy by Thomas Gainsborough, 1779

The Blue Boy by Thomas Gainsborough, 1779

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A specific example of this can be seen in an old trade publication from 1918. According to Smithsonian, the magazine Earnshaw¡¯s Infants¡¯ Department noted ¡°The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls¡±.

Theories to explain this have varied over the years, but it¡¯s generally believed that blue was associated with the Virgin Mary, hence its more feminine connotations, while pink was linked to red, which was seen as a strong and masculine color.

In the 1280s, Duccio painted the Christ child dressed in pink

In the 1280s, Duccio painted the Christ child dressed in pink

These ideas were reinforced by writer and color expert Gavin Evans during an interview with Business Insider.

Evans revealed that back in the late 19th century and early 20th century, it was common for mothers to be told that boys should be dressed in a masculine color like pink in order to grow into a more manly individual later in life, while girls should be dressed in a more feminine alternative like blue.

Paul-Henri Thiry, Baron d¡¯Holbach by Louis Carmontelle. Pink was considered a strong and ¡®manly¡¯ color.

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Strangely enough, in the wake of World War II, the script was flipped and pink suddenly started being marketed and sold by fashion brands and retailers as the perfect color for women, while blue was suddenly manly and masculine.

Over time, the gap between these colors only increased and the pink/blue divide started to spread to toys, accessories, cribs, strollers, and more.

Marilyn Monroe as Lorelei Lee, singing ¡®Diamonds Are a Girl¡¯s Best Friend¡¯

Nowadays, with greater understanding and awareness of gender identities and more work being done to break down old stereotypes of gender-specific associations, the time of the pink/blue divide might be approaching its end.

Fashions and trends can change in an instant, and the fascinating but strange story of pink and blue is clearly a perfect example of just how quickly these ideas can come and go.

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