Wabash and SP ran short hood forward ...
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Re: Train Masters and Babys ...
Correct on the 2 word name ...
Train Master?
As far as folks insisiting on using "baby this" or "baby that" , im clueless ..
The proper Hxx-xx is precice , proper and shorter to write ...
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Howdy !
Great looking scheme !
dPrasse
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Well, it¡¯s
like this: I¡¯m currently at my 39th address in life. I know I have the
documentations somewhere, but knowing which box they are in is impossible. I
will promise that, when found, I will share them.
As for
what is ¡°correct¡±, I have several pictures of Pennsy hood units running
short-forward. But the PRR list insists that they never did. Who¡¯s to know.
Bert
(No, if it
isn¡¯t compound, it isn¡¯t a true Mallet.)
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Bert,
I would be very interested in seeing those.? I have multiple sources that
only refer to it as two words, and I've been trying, and failing, to encourage
what I thought, for many years, was the "correct" use.? Thank
you.??
When
the discussion turns to Is A Simple Articulated Properly Called A Mallet? I try
to leave the room.??
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on
behalf of Bert Greeley <bert-tpsrr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023
4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Fairbanks-Morse] CPR
Trainmaster
Actually,
I have (somewhere) copies of the FM announcement of the TrainMasters. They
spelled it all three ways in the documents ¨C Trainmaster, TrainMaster and Train
Master. I guess it depended on who was writing that particular part of the
write-up.
It don¡¯t
matter to me, ¡°A rose, by any other name, would still prick your finger!¡± or
something like that.
Bert
P.S., I¡¯m
70 going on 11.
?
?
?
Welcome to the new members.? This list has been sadly dormant for
a while.
FWIW, the Virginian and some other roads did operate the H24-66's long hood
forward.? My guess is that this was a carryover from the engineers who
were used to having that much protection in front of them, even with the trade
off in visibility.
And, I know I sound like an old old man: Trainmaster as one word is a job on
the railroad; Train Master, two words, is FM's name for the H24-66.?
Junior and Baby Train Master are unofficial terms for both the H16-66 and
H16-44(railfan creations mostly, just like Phases of the other diesel
builders)and varied from railroad to railroad and fan group to fan group.?
Yeah; there may be five of us who care about this.? The newest issue of
the NMRA Magazine has a picture of a lovely H16-44 and they call it a Baby
Trainmaster.? Sigh.
Frank Bongiovanni
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Bert, I would be very interested in seeing those.? I have multiple sources that only refer to it as two words, and I've been trying, and failing, to encourage what I thought, for many years, was the "correct" use.? Thank you.??
When the discussion turns to Is A Simple Articulated Properly Called A Mallet? I try to leave the room.??
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Actually, I have (somewhere) copies of the FM announcement of the TrainMasters. They spelled it all three
ways in the documents ¨C Trainmaster, TrainMaster and Train Master. I guess it depended on who was writing that particular part of the write-up.
It don¡¯t matter to me, ¡°A rose, by any other name, would still prick your finger!¡± or something like that.
Bert
P.S., I¡¯m 70 going on 11.
?
?
?
Welcome to the new members.? This list has been sadly dormant for a while.
FWIW, the Virginian and some other roads did operate the H24-66's long hood forward.? My guess is that this was a carryover from the engineers who were used to having that much protection in front of them, even with the trade off in visibility.
And, I know I sound like an old old man: Trainmaster as one word is a job on the railroad; Train Master, two words, is FM's name for the H24-66.? Junior and Baby Train Master are unofficial terms for both the H16-66 and H16-44(railfan creations mostly, just
like Phases of the other diesel builders)and varied from railroad to railroad and fan group to fan group.? Yeah; there may be five of us who care about this.? The newest issue of the NMRA Magazine has a picture of a lovely H16-44 and they call it a Baby Trainmaster.?
Sigh.
Frank Bongiovanni
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Actually,
I have (somewhere) copies of the FM announcement of the TrainMasters. They
spelled it all three ways in the documents ¨C Trainmaster, TrainMaster and Train
Master. I guess it depended on who was writing that particular part of the
write-up.
It don¡¯t
matter to me, ¡°A rose, by any other name, would still prick your finger!¡± or
something like that.
Bert
P.S., I¡¯m
70 going on 11.
?
?
?
Welcome to the new members.? This list has been sadly dormant for
a while.
FWIW, the Virginian and some other roads did operate the H24-66's long hood
forward.? My guess is that this was a carryover from the engineers who
were used to having that much protection in front of them, even with the trade
off in visibility.
And, I know I sound like an old old man: Trainmaster as one word is a job on
the railroad; Train Master, two words, is FM's name for the H24-66.?
Junior and Baby Train Master are unofficial terms for both the H16-66 and
H16-44(railfan creations mostly, just like Phases of the other diesel
builders)and varied from railroad to railroad and fan group to fan group.?
Yeah; there may be five of us who care about this.? The newest issue of
the NMRA Magazine has a picture of a lovely H16-44 and they call it a Baby
Trainmaster.? Sigh.
Frank Bongiovanni
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I just
recently learned that Pennsy ran them (and all hood diesels) long-forward.
Bert
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Unique to CPR Trainmasters the first 4 units delivered had a full width
short hood to accommodate 2 steam generators for passenger service. Also for
Canadian cold weather they had a winterization hatch.
They were operated long hood forward which may not have been unique to Canadian
operations in the early years for these powerful locomotives.
This train obviously was over powered. Soo Line started the trip to the Twin
Cities with a single GP 9, adding power when needed.
The picture was taken in May 1960. I road behind the same train in September to
North Portal, Sask to be pulled through to Minneapolis by the Soo
Line where I attended university. I embark on the train at noon and arrived at
the Milwaukee
station at 0700 the next morning.
I recently modeled the consist with an undecorated Atlas loco, IHC post office
car and express baggage cars and a Rapido model of the 2200 series smooth side
coach.
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Welcome to the new members.? This list has been sadly dormant for a while.
FWIW, the Virginian and some other roads did operate the H24-66's long hood forward.? My guess is that this was a carryover from the engineers who were used to having that much protection in front of them, even with the trade off in visibility.
And, I know I sound like an old old man: Trainmaster as one word is a job on the railroad; Train Master, two words, is FM's name for the H24-66.? Junior and Baby Train Master are unofficial terms for both the H16-66 and H16-44(railfan creations mostly, just like Phases of the other diesel builders)and varied from railroad to railroad and fan group to fan group.? Yeah; there may be five of us who care about this.? The newest issue of the NMRA Magazine has a picture of a lovely H16-44 and they call it a Baby Trainmaster.? Sigh.
Frank Bongiovanni
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Unique to CPR Trainmasters the first 4 units delivered had a full width short hood to accommodate 2 steam generators for passenger service. Also for Canadian cold weather they had a winterization hatch.
They were operated long hood forward which may not have been unique to Canadian operations in the early years for these powerful locomotives.
This train obviously was over powered. Soo Line started the trip to the Twin Cities with a single GP 9, adding power when needed.
The picture was taken in May 1960. I road behind the same train in September to North Portal, Sask to be pulled through to Minneapolis by the Soo Line where I attended university. I embark on the train at noon and arrived at the Milwaukee station at 0700 the next morning.
I recently modeled the consist with an undecorated Atlas loco, IHC post office car and express baggage cars and a Rapido model of the 2200 series smooth side coach.
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Well, at
the time I was friends with Frank at Iron Horse Hobby, a store in Brea, Ca. He did a CNC
milling company in the back, and when I showed him the Carey shell he said it
would be easy to hog out the metal. In fact, it took him about 4 minutes to do
it, and he saved the settings for other shells. IIRC, he did 4 of them for me.
Unfortunately
the city of Brea
wanted his building and they wouldn¡¯t take ¡°No¡±, so he¡¯s out of business. Doesn¡¯t
mean someone else can¡¯t do the same thing.
Then I
took a U-Boat cab from Athearn, some sheet brass and a set of Detail Associates
fans (today I would use Atlas) and constructed the fan assembly, topping it off
with some very fine brass mesh from some kind of filter or other. Again, today
I would use Plastruct.
As for
pictures, well, it¡¯s 38 years and a divorce ago, so nothing remains.
And, to be
honest, with the Atlas models out there, why go to that much bother? The Batch
Man is a fantastic model (even if Batch Man calls them Baby Trainmasters ¨C they¡¯re
not). For that matter, I won¡¯t do any more TM¡¯s either for the same reason. And
I now have fine plastic models of Erie¡¯s,
H-15-44¡¯s. The Toothpick & Shovel is a happy railroad!
I¡¯ve been
wondering ¨C has anyone tried to take the trucks off of a Trainmaster, put them
on an H-16-44 and make a _real_
Baby Trainmaster? And did anyone ever model that one-off FM loco that¡¯s a ¡°P-¡° sumptin
or other? For that matter, did anyone ever buy one?
Also ¨C did
anyone ever figure out why the Canadian locos only had 3 fans ¨C sometimes two
on the right, sometimes on the left?
Bert
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Interesting! Can you show pictures and describe how you did the "fans and cab milled out and replace by a scratch-built?fan assembly" ? Clark Cone
Hello, and thanks for letting me join.
I'm Bert Greeley, near Fresno. I've been model railroading since 1974, and modeling FM's since
the get-to. I currently have about 100 FM locos in various stages of running. True, most are old
Athearn blue-box TM's, but I also have TONS (30 or more) of C-Liner shells. These are slowly
being fitted to Athearn F-7 chassis and Smokey Valley sideframes. Two-stack exhaust, one oval
exhaust, A's, B's - all of them.
I have one CPA24-5 that has the back half of an Athearn PA frame attached to the front half of
an Athearn GP-35 frame. Earnst gearing throughout. It doesn't look half bad, if I do say so.
I recently acquired a H-16-44 with a Lowery body and a new cab, and I just bought a TM with the
extended cab ala Canadian Pacific. Unlike almost all of my FM's, which are painted for my home
road Toothpick & Shovel RR, this one will retain the CN paint but be re-lettered for the TP&S,
as if they just bought the loco and haven't done a complete re-paint yet.
I also have created a low-nose TM like TVA did. I used a U-33 cab (IIRC). Several of my
H-16-44's are the Carey shell with the fans and cab milled out and replace by a scratch-built
fan assembly and another U-boat cab. Funny how the roof curve matches! These are mounted on (you
guessed it) Athearn drives.
I've attached pics of the H-16-44 Carey shell and a string of my locos on a curve. The CPA24-5
is the third loco back.
Bert
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Hello, and thanks for letting me join.
I'm Bert Greeley, near Fresno. I've been model railroading since 1974, and modeling FM's since
the get-to. I currently have about 100 FM locos in various stages of running. True, most are old
Athearn blue-box TM's, but I also have TONS (30 or more) of C-Liner shells. These are slowly
being fitted to Athearn F-7 chassis and Smokey Valley sideframes. Two-stack exhaust, one oval
exhaust, A's, B's - all of them.
I have one CPA24-5 that has the back half of an Athearn PA frame attached to the front half of
an Athearn GP-35 frame. Earnst gearing throughout. It doesn't look half bad, if I do say so.
I recently acquired a H-16-44 with a Lowery body and a new cab, and I just bought a TM with the
extended cab ala Canadian Pacific. Unlike almost all of my FM's, which are painted for my home
road Toothpick & Shovel RR, this one will retain the CN paint but be re-lettered for the TP&S,
as if they just bought the loco and haven't done a complete re-paint yet.
I also have created a low-nose TM like TVA did. I used a U-33 cab (IIRC). Several of my
H-16-44's are the Carey shell with the fans and cab milled out and replace by a scratch-built
fan assembly and another U-boat cab. Funny how the roof curve matches! These are mounted on (you
guessed it) Athearn drives.
I've attached pics of the H-16-44 Carey shell and a string of my locos on a curve. The CPA24-5
is the third loco back.
Bert
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Hi Harold - thanks for your efforts? - I can use those photos to add detail to my model! Thanks for sharing! Regards, Clark
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Harold Murray < hjmurray@...> wrote: Clark - This is the best I could do as I was breaking museum regs by climbing up the side of a open hopper on the adjacent track. As I was focusing on the winterization cover I did think of the van details.?
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Thank you. ?For those of us digging into this, perhaps a sanity check is in order, the best you could do is the best we got now. ?So thank you very much.
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On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Harold Murray <hjmurray@...> wrote:
?Clark - This is the best I could do as I was breaking museum regs by climbing up the side of a open hopper on the adjacent track. As I was focusing on the winterization cover I did think of the van details.?
 
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Clark - This is the best I could do as I was breaking museum regs by climbing up the side of a open hopper on the adjacent track. As I was focusing on the winterization cover I did think of the van details.?
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Harold, did you get any close-up pictures of the cooling fans located at the rear of the unit? Trying to deternine the # of blades on the fan and the blade shape...
Clark
On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 10:40 AM Harold Murray < hjmurray@...> wrote: Want to get up close to an FM Train Master take a trip to Exporail at Delson, Quebec (south shore suburb of Montreal) and see CPR 8905. I was able to take some pictures close up, particularly the winterization hatch unique to Canadian units.?
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Id love? to , but , sadly , the TVA H16-66 will be the closest i get ... unless i win the lotto !
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Re: Rare Fairbanks-Morse locomotive donated to Tennessee museum
Want to get up close to an FM Train Master take a trip to Exporail at Delson, Quebec (south shore suburb of Montreal) and see CPR 8905. I was able to take some pictures close up, particularly the winterization hatch unique to Canadian units.?
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