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Re: Request assistance with FT-857D set up

 

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On 01/02/2021 09:24 am, CT2GLA wrote:
Hello Stu.

Please allow me to clarify some aspects that are not correct and may cause several problems.?

The negative should always be fused... Always.?? Correct. And don't use the vehicle chassis etc for the negative -- you want a "clean" low resistance connection from the power to radio.? (unless your car has a postive earth.? I don't think there are many of those still around)

Both cables should have a fuse as near as possible of the radio. NO !? Both power wires should go straight to the battery (or power supply at home)? Especially In a vehicle, the fuse should be as near to the battery as possible so that any short in the wiring between battery and radio will be protected and you will not have a melt-down in the cable.? Most mobile radios you buy will normally have only ONE fuse in the positive lead as supplied.

In case of a short inside of the radio that "close" the? circuit by the negative the unit will be protected by the fuse, and not as an direct cable without protection.? Not sure I understand this one.? A short (or high current problem inside the radio) will go through your thick (red power cable and blow the fuse at the battery

Both cables should have a direct connection from the battery to the radio and we should avoid picking it from split sources.? Correct -- avoid sharing the same power wires with anything else

We always should have the radio off when we start the car to avoid drop of voltage and spike of currents. "good practice" correct and that's usually the case, but I probably do it occasionally and never had a problem.

Also the problem of the miss connection of positive and negative is because of the fact that the radio does not have a protection against inverse polarity neither increase of voltage. Once again, probably correct,? but I wouldn't guarantee that I've never done it in the 10 years I've had it.? The on/off circuitry probably shields the rest of the radio if you make a mistake (but don't rely on that !

There is a small mod that adds a diod and a zenner to solve this problem, you can even install it outside of the radio, in a parallel connection from the white plug.? I've not heard of this on the 857, but back in my early days this was often done when we used "ex-buiness" surplus radios re-tuned to the ham bands, which were usually not reverse supply protected.? But you had to use a very low forward resistance diode or you lost over a volt in power to the radio.? Remember that your diode, (and zener) have to be rated at least 20 Amps on full power FM.?

Another note on fuses -- I've noticed several cases when people have lost voltage displayed on the screen, or even had intermittent complete loss of power.? This is often caused by a fuse or fuse-holder that is corroded slightly.? first thing to do is to clean or change the fuse.? Ifr that doesn't work check the fuse holder.

Stu


If you need some further details please let me know.?

73

Rui

A segunda, 1/02/2021, 08:28, Stu Nutt <stunutt@...> escreveu:

First of all, I think you mis-typed the radio model below -- I don't think Yaesu ever made an "837" ?

I've been using an 857 for about 10 years (with various antennas), but not had the Radiowave that you mentioned.

Overall. the radio is pretty indestructible as long as you take a few fairly normal radio precautions.

  1. ?Don't get the positive and negative power connections the wrong way round? !? The radio is fused, but if the fuse in the positive (red) wire doesn't blow, I believe there is an internal fuse soldered into the rig which could be a nightmare to replace.
  2. If you decide to use it mobile, don't rely on the antenna ground for the negative connection, and don't fuse the negative (black) battery connection as in certain fault situations the current from the car electrics could be routed through the radio -- the starter motor can draw over 100 amps!
  3. Antenna -- As I said, I have no experience of the Pathfinder MKI antenna, but it is an end-fed antenna, which normally would have a high impedance on all frequencies except when its length is a half-wave (or multiple of).? Radiowave will have a system included for matching it to other ham bands.? There are a number of ways of doing thus and I don't know which one they use.? However, I have seen reports that it does not work so well on the 80m (called 75m in USA I believe) and 160m bands.? In the case of the 857, it is protected from antenna mis-match (which can destroy the transmitter output stage) by automatically reducing the transmitter power and protecting it.? However, the 857 specification says that it can be operated at up to 1.5 to 1 SWR, but I've found that mine seems to drop the output from about 1.25 to 1.

    An SWR meter is always a thing to have with transmitters, and you can buy one for a few tens of dollars.? Having an SWR meter in the? transmitter output will allow you to see a fault that occurs in the antenna or feeder cable, and save you from calling away for a contact because the fault has caused your radio to drop power and nobody can hear you.? If you find that the SWR isn't good enough on the lower bands (and the antenna and feeder seem to be okay) you'll need to buy an "antenna tuner", rated for 100 watts or more, to "match" the antenna system to your radio.

?Good luck with your experience on the ham bands and with the 857.? If you ever hear a signal coming from G3OCR in England, please give me a shout and let me know how you are doing ?

Regards,? Stu

On 01/02/2021 02:18 am, Adoni Poledicha via wrote:
Greetings to all,

I got my hands on a FT-357D and I am very concern with making sure I properly get it power up, and running without damaging it in the process.

Although I am a licensed ham radio operator, my experiences are limited to military type radios from HF and up... and have had a long break from the career and operations.

This FT-357D is completely new to me, and considering how great of a radio it is, and irreplaceable, considering it is no longer manufactured and difficult to obtain parts, it is critical that I get the process spot on into setting it up and correctly powering it up.

I have in mind of setting it up as a desk top radio and have obtain a Yaesu DC Power supply model FP-1023, and a LDG YT-100 tuner.

For an antenna, I obtained a Pathfinder MKI power 500w SSB 100w CW by RadioWavz.

Anyone with experience that can assist me in the process of my efforts to getting this rig up on the air, will be greatly appreciated by me.

If there are any resources someplace else for me to look into, that would be of help to.?

Thank you,?

Look forward to your feedback.

All the best,
Adoni
KG5WHC

Sent from mobile device

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:25 PM, John <ve3kkqve3kkq@...> wrote:

?
Perhaps we 8X7 owners should order a new chip, we may just exhaust the world's supply!!

John
VE7KKQ

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM Theo Marinos <marinos.theo@...> wrote:
This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR

On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: Request assistance with FT-857D set up

 

Hello Stu.

Please allow me to clarify some aspects that are not correct and may cause several problems.?

The negative should always be fused... Always.?

Both cables should have a fuse as near as possible of the radio.?

In case of a short inside of the radio that "close" the? circuit by the negative the unit will be protected by the fuse, and not as an direct cable without protection.?

Both cables should have a direct connection from the battery to the radio and we should avoid picking it from split sources.?

We always should have the radio off when we start the car to avoid drop of voltage and spike of currents.?

Also the problem of the miss connection of positive and negative is because of the fact that the radio does not have a protection against inverse polarity neither increase of voltage.?

There is a small mod that adds a diod and a zenner to solve this problem, you can even install it outside of the radio, in a parallel connection from the white plug.?

If you need some further details please let me know.?

73

Rui

A segunda, 1/02/2021, 08:28, Stu Nutt <stunutt@...> escreveu:

First of all, I think you mis-typed the radio model below -- I don't think Yaesu ever made an "837" ?

I've been using an 857 for about 10 years (with various antennas), but not had the Radiowave that you mentioned.

Overall. the radio is pretty indestructible as long as you take a few fairly normal radio precautions.

  1. ?Don't get the positive and negative power connections the wrong way round? !? The radio is fused, but if the fuse in the positive (red) wire doesn't blow, I believe there is an internal fuse soldered into the rig which could be a nightmare to replace.
  2. If you decide to use it mobile, don't rely on the antenna ground for the negative connection, and don't fuse the negative (black) battery connection as in certain fault situations the current from the car electrics could be routed through the radio -- the starter motor can draw over 100 amps!
  3. Antenna -- As I said, I have no experience of the Pathfinder MKI antenna, but it is an end-fed antenna, which normally would have a high impedance on all frequencies except when its length is a half-wave (or multiple of).? Radiowave will have a system included for matching it to other ham bands.? There are a number of ways of doing thus and I don't know which one they use.? However, I have seen reports that it does not work so well on the 80m (called 75m in USA I believe) and 160m bands.? In the case of the 857, it is protected from antenna mis-match (which can destroy the transmitter output stage) by automatically reducing the transmitter power and protecting it.? However, the 857 specification says that it can be operated at up to 1.5 to 1 SWR, but I've found that mine seems to drop the output from about 1.25 to 1.

    An SWR meter is always a thing to have with transmitters, and you can buy one for a few tens of dollars.? Having an SWR meter in the? transmitter output will allow you to see a fault that occurs in the antenna or feeder cable, and save you from calling away for a contact because the fault has caused your radio to drop power and nobody can hear you.? If you find that the SWR isn't good enough on the lower bands (and the antenna and feeder seem to be okay) you'll need to buy an "antenna tuner", rated for 100 watts or more, to "match" the antenna system to your radio.

?Good luck with your experience on the ham bands and with the 857.? If you ever hear a signal coming from G3OCR in England, please give me a shout and let me know how you are doing ?

Regards,? Stu

On 01/02/2021 02:18 am, Adoni Poledicha via wrote:
Greetings to all,

I got my hands on a FT-357D and I am very concern with making sure I properly get it power up, and running without damaging it in the process.

Although I am a licensed ham radio operator, my experiences are limited to military type radios from HF and up... and have had a long break from the career and operations.

This FT-357D is completely new to me, and considering how great of a radio it is, and irreplaceable, considering it is no longer manufactured and difficult to obtain parts, it is critical that I get the process spot on into setting it up and correctly powering it up.

I have in mind of setting it up as a desk top radio and have obtain a Yaesu DC Power supply model FP-1023, and a LDG YT-100 tuner.

For an antenna, I obtained a Pathfinder MKI power 500w SSB 100w CW by RadioWavz.

Anyone with experience that can assist me in the process of my efforts to getting this rig up on the air, will be greatly appreciated by me.

If there are any resources someplace else for me to look into, that would be of help to.?

Thank you,?

Look forward to your feedback.

All the best,
Adoni
KG5WHC

Sent from mobile device

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:25 PM, John <ve3kkqve3kkq@...> wrote:

?
Perhaps we 8X7 owners should order a new chip, we may just exhaust the world's supply!!

John
VE7KKQ

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM Theo Marinos <marinos.theo@...> wrote:
This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR

On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: Request assistance with FT-857D set up

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

First of all, I think you mis-typed the radio model below -- I don't think Yaesu ever made an "837" ?

I've been using an 857 for about 10 years (with various antennas), but not had the Radiowave that you mentioned.

Overall. the radio is pretty indestructible as long as you take a few fairly normal radio precautions.

  1. ?Don't get the positive and negative power connections the wrong way round? !? The radio is fused, but if the fuse in the positive (red) wire doesn't blow, I believe there is an internal fuse soldered into the rig which could be a nightmare to replace.
  2. If you decide to use it mobile, don't rely on the antenna ground for the negative connection, and don't fuse the negative (black) battery connection as in certain fault situations the current from the car electrics could be routed through the radio -- the starter motor can draw over 100 amps!
  3. Antenna -- As I said, I have no experience of the Pathfinder MKI antenna, but it is an end-fed antenna, which normally would have a high impedance on all frequencies except when its length is a half-wave (or multiple of).? Radiowave will have a system included for matching it to other ham bands.? There are a number of ways of doing thus and I don't know which one they use.? However, I have seen reports that it does not work so well on the 80m (called 75m in USA I believe) and 160m bands.? In the case of the 857, it is protected from antenna mis-match (which can destroy the transmitter output stage) by automatically reducing the transmitter power and protecting it.? However, the 857 specification says that it can be operated at up to 1.5 to 1 SWR, but I've found that mine seems to drop the output from about 1.25 to 1.

    An SWR meter is always a thing to have with transmitters, and you can buy one for a few tens of dollars.? Having an SWR meter in the? transmitter output will allow you to see a fault that occurs in the antenna or feeder cable, and save you from calling away for a contact because the fault has caused your radio to drop power and nobody can hear you.? If you find that the SWR isn't good enough on the lower bands (and the antenna and feeder seem to be okay) you'll need to buy an "antenna tuner", rated for 100 watts or more, to "match" the antenna system to your radio.

?Good luck with your experience on the ham bands and with the 857.? If you ever hear a signal coming from G3OCR in England, please give me a shout and let me know how you are doing ?

Regards,? Stu

On 01/02/2021 02:18 am, Adoni Poledicha via groups.io wrote:

Greetings to all,

I got my hands on a FT-357D and I am very concern with making sure I properly get it power up, and running without damaging it in the process.

Although I am a licensed ham radio operator, my experiences are limited to military type radios from HF and up... and have had a long break from the career and operations.

This FT-357D is completely new to me, and considering how great of a radio it is, and irreplaceable, considering it is no longer manufactured and difficult to obtain parts, it is critical that I get the process spot on into setting it up and correctly powering it up.

I have in mind of setting it up as a desk top radio and have obtain a Yaesu DC Power supply model FP-1023, and a LDG YT-100 tuner.

For an antenna, I obtained a Pathfinder MKI power 500w SSB 100w CW by RadioWavz.

Anyone with experience that can assist me in the process of my efforts to getting this rig up on the air, will be greatly appreciated by me.

If there are any resources someplace else for me to look into, that would be of help to.?

Thank you,?

Look forward to your feedback.

All the best,
Adoni
KG5WHC

Sent from mobile device

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:25 PM, John <ve3kkqve3kkq@...> wrote:

?
Perhaps we 8X7 owners should order a new chip, we may just exhaust the world's supply!!

John
VE7KKQ

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM Theo Marinos <marinos.theo@...> wrote:
This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR

On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

Nice recovery Tony.

I'm surprised with all the chatter about the 857 and 897, thought all the points and questions were long time put to bed, new blood I guess, good to see the younger crowd getting interested.

Stay safe Tony, perhaps when I get my station set up we can have a chat.

John
VE7KKQ
Campbell River


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 7:44 PM Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF <20junk20@...> wrote:

Ok,

?

I¡¯ll clear up my first submission.

?

If I recall, the first FT-857¡¯s, the DSP module was an option, but within a year or 2, it was included in the FT-857¡¯s as standard sales.

?

I bought my ¡°857¡± in 2003 already in production a few years in, with the DSP module included and no longer as an option, it had become standard in the ¡°857¡± and at that time, without the 60 meter channels in the memory location (60m not available yet in Canada or USA).

?

Later, the ¡°D¡± model came out with the DSP included, and then 60 meter channels in the memory location.

?

I still have the original 2003 shipping box without the ¡°D¡± on it as FT-857. But my later 2017 ¡°D¡± model does have the ¡°D¡± included in the model number on the box as FT-857D. But on both radios, production of 14 years apart, both only have FT-857 on them, no ¡°D¡± in the later model year. Weird huh?

?

And yes, there was a Japanese version of lower power

?

I should have made myself a little clearer. lol

?

?

---------------

Regards,

?

Tony

VA7TF

?

From: John
Sent: January 31, 2021 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

?

Sorry Tony, you are not quite correct, not an option, the difference is the 857 came on to the market first, followed a year or two later by the 857D, once the "D" version was available, the non-D version was no longer produced.

You are correct however about the difference between the two.

?

Another thing that reared its head in the USA was that the 857 version aimed at the Japanese market managed to make its way into the US market, it had a maximum power out of 25Watts, this unit was marketed to the Japanese Novice hams as they had/have a power cap of 25 Watts.

?

John

VE7KKQ

?

?

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:09 AM Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF <20junk20@...> wrote:

?

?

The ¡°D¡± model comes with the DSP module as a standard feature. The non ¡°D¡± was an option in the early sales stage.

Also, the ¡°D¡± model comes with the 60 meter ¡°channels¡± in the memory location.

?

Same ?TX power levels on all bands.

?

?

---------------

Regards,

?

Tony

VA7TF

?

From: david lang
Sent: January 31, 2021 9:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

?

as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of

the 857D and has all the same features.

?

David Lang

?

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

?

> Hello,

> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in

> a new box.

> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version

> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...

> Waiting for help,

> Pirx

?

?

?

?

?

?

Virus-free.


--

+++++++++++++++

Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF

?


--

+++++++++++++++

Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF


Request assistance with FT-857D set up

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Greetings to all,

I got my hands on a FT-357D and I am very concern with making sure I properly get it power up, and running without damaging it in the process.

Although I am a licensed ham radio operator, my experiences are limited to military type radios from HF and up... and have had a long break from the career and operations.

This FT-357D is completely new to me, and considering how great of a radio it is, and irreplaceable, considering it is no longer manufactured and difficult to obtain parts, it is critical that I get the process spot on into setting it up and correctly powering it up.

I have in mind of setting it up as a desk top radio and have obtain a Yaesu DC Power supply model FP-1023, and a LDG YT-100 tuner.

For an antenna, I obtained a Pathfinder MKI power 500w SSB 100w CW by RadioWavz.

Anyone with experience that can assist me in the process of my efforts to getting this rig up on the air, will be greatly appreciated by me.

If there are any resources someplace else for me to look into, that would be of help to.?

Thank you,?

Look forward to your feedback.

All the best,
Adoni
KG5WHC

Sent from mobile device

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:25 PM, John <ve3kkqve3kkq@...> wrote:

?
Perhaps we 8X7 owners should order a new chip, we may just exhaust the world's supply!!

John
VE7KKQ

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM Theo Marinos <marinos.theo@...> wrote:
This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR

On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

What are you using as a Faraday container for your 857?

73,
Sam-W5KF


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Ok,

?

I¡¯ll clear up my first submission.

?

If I recall, the first FT-857¡¯s, the DSP module was an option, but within a year or 2, it was included in the FT-857¡¯s as standard sales.

?

I bought my ¡°857¡± in 2003 already in production a few years in, with the DSP module included and no longer as an option, it had become standard in the ¡°857¡± and at that time, without the 60 meter channels in the memory location (60m not available yet in Canada or USA).

?

Later, the ¡°D¡± model came out with the DSP included, and then 60 meter channels in the memory location.

?

I still have the original 2003 shipping box without the ¡°D¡± on it as FT-857. But my later 2017 ¡°D¡± model does have the ¡°D¡± included in the model number on the box as FT-857D. But on both radios, production of 14 years apart, both only have FT-857 on them, no ¡°D¡± in the later model year. Weird huh?

?

And yes, there was a Japanese version of lower power

?

I should have made myself a little clearer. lol

?

?

---------------

Regards,

?

Tony

VA7TF

?

From: John
Sent: January 31, 2021 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

?

Sorry Tony, you are not quite correct, not an option, the difference is the 857 came on to the market first, followed a year or two later by the 857D, once the "D" version was available, the non-D version was no longer produced.

You are correct however about the difference between the two.

?

Another thing that reared its head in the USA was that the 857 version aimed at the Japanese market managed to make its way into the US market, it had a maximum power out of 25Watts, this unit was marketed to the Japanese Novice hams as they had/have a power cap of 25 Watts.

?

John

VE7KKQ

?

?

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:09 AM Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF <20junk20@...> wrote:

?

?

The ¡°D¡± model comes with the DSP module as a standard feature. The non ¡°D¡± was an option in the early sales stage.

Also, the ¡°D¡± model comes with the 60 meter ¡°channels¡± in the memory location.

?

Same ?TX power levels on all bands.

?

?

---------------

Regards,

?

Tony

VA7TF

?

From: david lang
Sent: January 31, 2021 9:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

?

as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of

the 857D and has all the same features.

?

David Lang

?

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

?

> Hello,

> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in

> a new box.

> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version

> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...

> Waiting for help,

> Pirx

?

?

?

?

?

?

Virus-free.


--

+++++++++++++++

Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF

?


--

+++++++++++++++

Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF


Re: 857 boots up in weird mode FIXED!

 

Perhaps we 8X7 owners should order a new chip, we may just exhaust the world's supply!!

John
VE7KKQ


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:55 PM Theo Marinos <marinos.theo@...> wrote:
This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR

On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: 857 boots up in weird mode FIXED!

Theo Marinos
 

This is very hand to know. Thanks for telling us.?


Regards

Theo
VK5IR


On Mon, 1 Feb. 2021, 9:22 am rifkum via , <rifkum=[email protected]> wrote:
Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

Sorry Tony, you are not quite correct, not an option, the difference is the 857 came on to the market first, followed a year or two later by the 857D, once the "D" version was available, the non-D version was no longer produced.
You are correct however about the difference between the two.

Another thing that reared its head in the USA was that the 857 version aimed at the Japanese market managed to make its way into the US market, it had a maximum power out of 25Watts, this unit was marketed to the Japanese Novice hams as they had/have a power cap of 25 Watts.

John
VE7KKQ


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:09 AM Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF <20junk20@...> wrote:

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The ¡°D¡± model comes with the DSP module as a standard feature. The non ¡°D¡± was an option in the early sales stage.

Also, the ¡°D¡± model comes with the 60 meter ¡°channels¡± in the memory location.

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Same ?TX power levels on all bands.

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Regards,

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Tony

VA7TF

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From: david lang
Sent: January 31, 2021 9:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

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as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of

the 857D and has all the same features.

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David Lang

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On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

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> Hello,

> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in

> a new box.

> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version

> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...

> Waiting for help,

> Pirx

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Virus-free.

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Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

The only difference between the 857 and 897 other than the casing is the 897 has the ability to house a battery for portable ops, circuitry between the two is identical save for the battery circuitry.
Same electronic specs, same menu structure, same accessories, same max and min power outputs.
The 897 power output drops when fitted with the internal battery, the infamous "brown wire" is used to sense battery power which decreases the maximum power out for both rigs (857 & 897).

In fact, this may add confusion, the 897 and 857 circuitry are the high power version of the 817 except for some differences, the finals for the 817 are the drivers in the 857 and 897.

John
VE7KKQ
817 and 857 owner


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 9:57 AM david lang <david@...> wrote:
as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of
the 857D and has all the same features.

David Lang

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

> Hello,
> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in
> a new box.
> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version
> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...
> Waiting for help,
> Pirx






Re: 857 vs 857D

 

I got my FT-857 mid 2000. The only places it hasn't been operated is maritime mobile (which will not happen) and portable, which I intend to take care of this summer. I have the IR 2.4KHz filter and have considered the TXCO module and may still install one as I may try FT8 from a picnic table. My unit was mostly mobile with the ATAS-120 which I ditched the included whip for a Larson Kool Rod VHF whip, I lost UHF but that is of no interest to me.I have never had any issues from the rig (touch wood) mostly OP problems, the manual soon sorts that out. I think the FT-101 series may have lasted longer than the FT-857. If a new ham is looking to get one of these rigs, do not modify it in any way and if you want the MARS mod done, get someone knowledgeable to assist you. Other than the filter, I have not touched the inside of my 857, I've no need to, it has provided many hours of enjoyment and as long as I can press the buttons, it will stay with me, also in the shack are an 817 and a FTdx3K. The 857 is a decent all-round rig, marginal for contesting, great for rag chewing and not too bad at DX'ing. It is my longest owned radio ever.

John
VE7KKQ


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 8:00 AM Philip Salley <pcsalley@...> wrote:
The FT-857 series is an amazing rig on a saga proportioned marathon run. It may have been in production longer than any amateur radio transceiver in history, and still going.? Believe it was first introduced about 2001.? I recall a QST review in Nov 2003 of the new "D" model.? One of the distinctions of the non-D model was the ability to do the MARS/CAP modification by the "hidden" menu.? That changed with the "D" model.? My personal FT-857D was among the earliest of the "Ds," has performed flawlessly for over 16 years both mobile (for many years) and in base station with not a single hitch.? Today the panel display has one single pixel wide vatical streak - that's all.? ?It has been MARS modified, added TCXO, YF-122S, YF-122C filters, and replaced the power cord connector with PowerPole.? Brown wire disabled.? Amazing receiver for its time, and operated full break-in CW like a champ.??It joined me in retirement, now resides in a faraday container tucked away just in case.? I take it out every few months for a wake up, and leave on power supply for a day or so then back to storage.? ?Don't mobile anymore, and base station is now an FT-991.? Phil / K4PO


857 boots up in weird mode FIXED!

 

Hey group,
Thought I'd share my experience fixing my 857. (Probably 15 years old, always used inside)
In the past year or so whenever I turned on the 857 it would not come back to the way I powered it down.
Typically I would have it in Memory mode (not VFO) and scanning VHF/UHF programmed channels.
When I power it on it would almost always come up to a VFO random frequency and be scanning up or down the freq.
About every 10-20 times on power up it would come up with the display contrast dark, with big digits and when I switched to Memory mode and tried to transmit I would get a TX ERROR.
In this mode I always had to reflash the program from Chirp.

I watched a few youtube videos and found that likely it was the EEPROM memory chip had gone bad.
So I ordered one off digikey. The part is Q1066 on the schematic and it is a 24LC128T-I/SN
Pay attention to the package size I/SN NOT I/SM
It was an easy swap if you are ok with SMT

Reloaded the program from Chirp and it has not failed since.

cheers
Dwight


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

Thanks for your help!
Pirx

Den s?n 31 jan. 2021 kl 19:21 skrev Larry <k0lejham@...>:

There was an FT-897D.? The FT-897D?is the same as the mobile/portable FT-857D, but has the TCXO-9 high stability oscillator installed.? The TCXO-9 oscillator was an option for the original FT-897.? The TCXO-9 was not included in either the FT-857 or FT-857D, but is available as an optional plug in board.

73,
Larry
K0LEJ



On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:57 AM david lang <david@...> wrote:
as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of
the 857D and has all the same features.

David Lang

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

> Hello,
> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in
> a new box.
> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version
> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...
> Waiting for help,
> Pirx






Re: MH-59 add tick when transmitting audio

 

Tnx Tony for the link. I'll investigate further here.

Les: I already did this by using a separate power supply and shutting down all other equipment.
I have all my equipment connected to 230V and 12V power supplies. the system here is not directly connected to the house mains as I use an isolation transformer and a dedicated radio ground.
The additional clamp on ferrite didn't have any effect unfortunately.

Getting complex now....


FT857D Jeep TJ Install

 

Did this install of a Yaesu FT-857D on a 2005 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited (long-wheelbase TJ) a ways back. Thought I¡¯d share in case anybody needs some ideas for a project.

I mounted the display/controls/mic on upper the windshield panel. The main unit is in the center console where the subwoofer used to be. The antenna is a Yaesu ATAS-100 on a Teraflex taillight bracket.

Ignition noise through the antenna was initially excessive on the received audio - well-known issue for this vehicle. Had to strap several body panels and several points in the exhaust together to quiet it down to bearable. I have a choke for the coax but have not installed yet.

Antenna tunes up with very low SWR anywhere between 7-30MHz and the full 6m band. SWR on 2m is not quite as good but usable. 70cm is not usable due to high SWR. Not a priority so haven't sorted it out yet but we are pushing the frequency for PL-259/SO-239 connectors.





Re: 857 vs 857D

 

There was an FT-897D.? The FT-897D?is the same as the mobile/portable FT-857D, but has the TCXO-9 high stability oscillator installed.? The TCXO-9 oscillator was an option for the original FT-897.? The TCXO-9 was not included in either the FT-857 or FT-857D, but is available as an optional plug in board.

73,
Larry
K0LEJ



On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:57 AM david lang <david@...> wrote:
as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of
the 857D and has all the same features.

David Lang

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

> Hello,
> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in
> a new box.
> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version
> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...
> Waiting for help,
> Pirx






Re: 857 vs 857D

 

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The ¡°D¡± model comes with the DSP module as a standard feature. The non ¡°D¡± was an option in the early sales stage.

Also, the ¡°D¡± model comes with the 60 meter ¡°channels¡± in the memory location.

?

Same ?TX power levels on all bands.

?

?

---------------

Regards,

?

Tony

VA7TF

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From: david lang
Sent: January 31, 2021 9:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] 857 vs 857D

?

as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of

the 857D and has all the same features.

?

David Lang

?

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

?

> Hello,

> I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in

> a new box.

> So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version

> has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...

> Waiting for help,

> Pirx

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Virus-free.

--

+++++++++++++++

Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

as I understand it, there is no 897D, the plain 897 is a lower power version of the 857D and has all the same features.

David Lang

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021, Peter wrote:

Hello,
I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in
a new box.
So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version
has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...
Waiting for help,
Pirx


Re: 857 vs 857D

 

Hello,
I do not have a FT-857 but as I understand my FT-897 is the same machine in a new box.
So my question is: Do I have FT-897 or FT-897D? I was told the D version has no "D" letter on its face so it is not easy to see the difference...
Waiting for help,
Pirx