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Thomas Daniel, born of Josia, son of James & Jenny Hicks Daniel b 1743/44 Albemarle Co, Va, d 1811 Granville Co, NC

Elizabeth Daniel Mason All Messages By This Member #165 Hi group. Has any one done research on this Thomas of Josiah’s will? He is often referred to as Thomas Jefferson Daniel? I am interested in him and his descendants which may include a son, the proven person, Thomas Cary/Kary Daniel d. 1864 as a POW in Maryland.? Many thanks, Elizabeth
Joe Daniel All Messages By This Member #166 I would like info on the Thomas Kary Daniel also. I have an autosomal dna match for my dad's kit on Ancestry that appears to descend from said Thomas Kary . I have not been able to confirm this Thomas Kary's? connection to any other person or group. My line appears to be connected to Brunswick VA and there were some men with the Cary name there, knowing that , that in itself, may not mean anything?
Elizabeth Daniel Mason All Messages By This Member #167 Edited Dear Joe, To begin, I have autosomal matches to Josiah Daniel, b Albemarle Co Va, d 1811 Granville Co NC 1811 and his wife Elizabeth Key b 1746 d. circa 1823 in same counties. He names a son Thomas in his will as a child that has already received his portion from his father. ?I have source documentation for the man who I believe is his grandson, Thomas Cary Daniel, as well as secondary information from my family.? Thomas Cary Daniel is my 3rd great grandfather. His dob is circa 1810 and I believe in Granville Co or Wake Co NC. He married Mary Shipp, bond 16 Jan 1832 in Wake Co NC. ?He is in the census records 1840, 1850 in Wake Co. and 1860 in Robeson Co. (NB- ‘60 census mistakes his middle initial as R). The name Cary came family associations and misspellings from the Union POW records during his imprisonment. He died at the Union prison camp at Pt. Lookout, St Mary’s Co, MD in 4 Mar 1864. I have documentation for his wife and many of his children to the present day. Thomas Cary’s progeny are found in NC and SC in future generations and those are my folks. I live in the same area of SC. The problem with this line is proving the generation(s) that should connect Josiah to Thomas Cary. Everywhere, I mean everywhere, the connecting man is referred to as Thomas “Jefferson” Daniel b. circa 1768 in Granville Co NC, d. circa 1831 either in GA or NC. A Thomas Daniel did marry Elizabeth Satterwhite in Granville 29 Jan 1793. (I match to him and the Satterwhites as well). There is documentation for a Thomas Senr by way of deeds and thithables and 1810 census Granville Co and of a son named Thomas Junr. There is reasonable circumstantial evidence from the Daniel, Key, Tandy, Jefferson and Cary families that his middle name likely was Jefferson and this information also explains why my ancestor was named Thomas Cary. That is it as far as I can connect documents in my line. Other children, perhaps all of the sons of this Thomas Jefferson Daniel move into western GA and eastern AL. All info points to the alleged Thos. “Jefferson” being my 4th grandfather. He had his children in NC. His wife did move to GA and died there. He may have also moved to GA the last years of his life.? Because I am new to this group, I am not sure if this is the proper forum to discuss in further detail our possible connections, but I am eager to do so! I also see that my email address is my forum name…oops. But do get in touch!
Pam Miller All Messages By This Member #168 Hey, Elizabeth, Joe, and all, ? Here's a timeline of info from my records for Thomas Daniel (s/o Josiah) who md. Elizabeth Satterwhite), with some stuff to distinguish between the various contemporary Thomas Daniels in Granville County. Much of this you already have, I know. My comments/questions are in [brackets]. I put XX in front of data that are on trees about Thomas s/o Josiah that I believe are incorrect. The trees at ancestry and familysearch seem to be conflating the records of the various Thomas Daniels of Granville, all distinguishable by the tax, land, court, and probate records. ? ? -----? 1769 - “Josiah's Book” shows Thomas Daniel b. 17 Feb 1769. ? -----? F258 N9 1971a? State Census of NC 1784-1787.? Mrs. Alvaretta Kenan Register Granville "The number of Inhabitants in County Line district in the year 1786"? Columns: white male 21/60 - white male <21 or >60 - white fem all ages - Blacks 12/50 - Blacks <12>50 p.1: Josiah "Daniel 1-8-4-6-5,? [Gideon and Abraham Crenshaw on p. 3, Hesters are here] [Discrepancy: “Josiah's book” shows 9 sons and 3 daus b. by 1786, i.e. one is missing. Son James Key Daniel b. 22 Aug 1766 could be 21, depending on when this list was created. He's not listed under his own name, so I wonder why aren't there 2 polls listed for Josiah.] ? I'm not putting more stuff that shows Josiah with tick marks for sons that clearly include Thomas. ? -----? 1790 Census, Granville: (uses the 1788 tax lists). Josiah's tax list entries for 1787 through 1790 do not list his polls or slaves. ? -----? Granville Tax lists, I've done too many films of all the years to parse them out guaranteed here! ;) Here's a pretty sure list for what I've used in this post: 1758773 NC Granville Tax Lists 1767-1809 [some years on other films] - 1st book is 1767-1803, early stuff out of order and skips] 1758774 NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1809 306819? NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1935 306820? NC Granville? Tax lists, 1825-1834, 1836-1848 0018071? Tax Lists for various counties, various yrs, from St. Archives [this had 1769, but I think this = LDS 1758774 plus some?] ? Columns labels as shown here [including my own couple of column insertions for various reasons]: Year, District,? First, Last [D=Daniel, unless noted differently], Acres or val if no ac, Standardized ac [my insertion for reconciling? with land records/probate], Water, Other descrip, Free polls, Slaves, Other data, [My remarks/i.d.] ? -----? 1791 Tax [a diff list, no district given],? Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, [no polls in this list, near Chesley] 1791 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, ---, ---, [separate from others] ? -----? 1793 Tax Goshen ~Thomas, D, 0, [0] ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Leonard and Thomas] ? -----? 1793 Jan 29 mg bond, Thomas Daniel & Elisabeth Satterwhite; Robert Elliott, bm; W. Norwood, wit. The bond, #5635, is on Film 306192.? ? -----? 1796 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Thomas Sr and Chesley] ? -----? 1797 Granville Deeds, LDS Film 306131 Q132 Chesley Daniel to Thomas Daniel both Granv 5 Aug 1797, ?75, 120a Grassy on waters of Grassey Creek, beg at a post oak James Satterwhites corner then with his line E 86p to a white oak on the E sd of the branch thence S 222p to a red oak in Persons line thence W 86p to a black Jack Satterwhites corner thence with his line N 222p to beg.? wit Leonard Edwards, Susanna Daniel, Jas Edwards.? recd May ct 1798.? ?[This same land will be sold in 1808, see later.] ? -----? 1798 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 1, ---, [bought fr Chesley in 1797] ? -----? 1799 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Thomas Sr, Martin, Chesley] ? -----? 1800 Tax Goshen Thos Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley and Martin] ? -----? 1800 Census Granville: p. 509, District not labeled, but he and all census neighbors are in Goshen in the tax lists. Thomas Junr:? 1m 0-10, [no i.d.]? 1m 26-45, [Thomas age 31] 2f 0-10, [trees only show Sarah b. 1797] 1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite, age abt 30 (23 per some, but census entries makes her at least a few years older)] 2 slaves [matches tax list entry].? ***[Two of these first three kids are not accounted for on trees. Only Sarah b. 1797 seems noted, based on the 1850 GA census with Elizabeth. I also don't know why trees show Elizabeth as b. 1777?] ? -----? 1801 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Thos Sr, near Chesley and Henry] ? -----? 1801 Tax Goshen Thomas Jun, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [separate from other Daniel names] ? -----? 1802 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [near Chesley and James K.] ? -----? 1803 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near George] ? -----? Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306132 R-87 sale of slaves, 29 Jan 1803, James K. Daniel of Granville to Josiah Brown of Person and Thomas Daniel of Granville, in Joint Company, ?85, 3 Negroes in possession of Abraham Brown and Isaiah Richardson of Chatham co, woman Chloe about 43, boy Gabriel about 7, boy Joe about 4. wits: M. Satterwhite, Smith Satterwhite. recd Feb 1803 court. [This isn't guaranteed to be Thomas s/o Josiah, but the involved names make it pretty likely.] ? -----? 1804 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 2, 2, ---, [next to all] ? -----? 1805 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [next to Thomas] ? -----? 1806 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley] ? -----? 1807 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to all] ? -----? February 1807 Jurors to Superior Court appointed: David Brogdon, John Spears, James King, Israel Bailey, Garland Allen, Hubbard Cozart, James Wortham, Richard Inge, John Sims, John Smith, Rowland Gooch, Benjamin Hester, Dennis Obrient, Sr., Thos. Daniel, Jr., Bryant Cavender, John Pulliam, Sr., Obediah Farrow, William Gooch (Nap Of Reeds), Thos. Voss, Jr., John Hobgood, Woodson Daniel, John Oliver, John R. Eaton, George Gresham, John L. May, George Briggs Fleming, Thomas Leaman, Philip White And Howell Frazier. [Source: _Court Minutes of Granville County North Carolina 1746-1820 by Zae Hargett Gwynn 1977.] ? -----? 1808 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Chesley. See next, Woodson and Bev sell this 120a in 1808, but not recd until 1812.] ? -----? Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306134 V321 Woodson & Beverly Daniel to Stephen Landford all Granv 14 Dec 1808, ?110, 120a Granv on waters of Grassey Ck, bd James Satterwhites corner and line, Persons line, Satterwhites corner.? sig Woodson & B. Daniel.? wit Stephen Satterwhite, Gideon Crews Junr, J/Tu-l/by Ryestind?, ackn by Woodson Daniel, recd Feb 1812.? [This is the 120a Chesley sold to Thomas. There's no notice of POA nor of admin/exec right to sell. But Woodson and Beverly Daniel were some serious power players in Granville. I'm thinking they could get away with it?] ? -----? 1809 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, 1, 2, --- ? -----? 1810 Census Granville: p.883, two Thomas Daniel entries. Thomas Jr.?? 1m 0-10, [trees give three boys, b. 1801 John, 1805 David, 1808 Thomas Jefferson] 1m 10-16, [b. 1794-1800, not accounted for in trees?] 1m 26-45, Thomas Daniel b. age 41 2f 0-10, [trees say Parthenia and Martha] 1f 10-16, [Sarah age 13. Other early girl not here.] 1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite age abt 40] 3 slaves. ? Thomas Sr. has 1m 16-26, 1m 26-45, 1m 45+, 2f 16-26, 1f 45+, 7 slaves. This Thomas Sr. is the one who bought 200a from Joel Pope in Feb 1787 (Granv DB O491) and 249a from Pope in Dec 1787 (Caswell DB E230. The land was in Caswell and Granville). He is in the tax lists on Aaron's Creek for 449a and then later it is called 452a (including in the 1809 and 1811 lists). This is the Thomas who d. 1831, wf Mary d. 1838. Their kids include: Merriman, Jane md. Sterling Harris, Susannah md. Randall Wilkerson, Lilly md. A. G. Moore, William. This Thomas Sr. did live in the Country Line District where Josiah was, but he's on Aaron's Creek, while Josiah is on Grassey Creek/Hay Meadow Branch and Thomas' land purchased from Chesley is on Grassey aroound Blues Mountain. There's no interaction in the records I've found between this Thomas Sr. and the Middlesex Daniels. Thomas Sr. and his kids' records are also found in Caswell and Person counties. ? -----? 1811 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, 1, 0, ---, [separate] ? -----? 1811? - will of father Josiah – Thomas named in the group of older kids who have already received their shares. [Was his “share” probably the means to buy the 120a from Chesley? Thomas had already moved to Chesley's neighborhood before age 21, interesting to me.] ? -----? 1812 - The recording of the sale of the 120a, as shown above. ? ----- XX? A War of 1812 Pension Application is attached to Thomas s/o Josiah in a gazillion trees. It's a different Thomas. The application file is free at fold3, clarifying facts abound in it. I think this was the Thomas Daniel of the east county, on Nutbush, md. Elizabeth/Eliza Daniel, she the d/o Joseph and Nelly Daniel. A John Daniel Sr., of Warren County bought 145a on Nutbush in 1816. Thomas Daniel pops out in the tax lists 1816-1823 (at a much better age for service). He is taxed on 145a in Henderson on Nutbush/Crooked Run in 1818-1819. ? -----? 1814 Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 0, [0], ---, 1, 0, ---, [Woodson and Bev had sold this in 1808, recd 1812] ? -----? I haven't found further records in Granville land, court, probate, etc. for Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth.. ? ----- XX? Trees put the 1820 Granville Census Thomas Daniel as belonging to Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth. But this? Thomas is listed next to Nelly Daniel (his mother-in-law, described above in War of 1812 app) and they are in the Henderson District in both the tax lists and the Census. ? ------------? So, anyone have ideas on where Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite are in 1820-1830? I've had a possible theory for ages, never ground down hard on it. It doesn't fit perfectly, but it's the closest I've found, and Pulaski is “on the way west” to Harris County. Interested in any ideas. ? 1820 Census GA Pulaski.? Thomas Daniel: [The lack of a couple more boys 0-10 and 10-16 is a real problem.] 1m 0-10 [?Tandy age 9/10 or the Thomas Jefferson age 11 or the Thomas Cary?] 1m 10-16 [?the David age 14 or the Jefferson Jordan age 12 in trees? I don't think there's a David.] 1m 18-26 [in 16-26 but not 16-18 column, so ?the John in trees age 19?] 1m 45+ [?Thomas age 51] ? 2f 10-16 [?Parthenia age 15?] 2f 16-26 [?Sarah age 23? and ?Martha age 16-17 or is she in 10-16 column?] 1f 26-45 [?Elizabeth age 43?] ? The 1830 Census also shows an Elizabeth Daniel in Pulaski, but the ages and children do not match the 1820 family well enough; I just don't think it's Elizabeth Satterwhite Daniel in the 1830 Pulaski census. ? I sure wish somebody would write up a records proof of all the children shown as belonging to Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite. The various trees as they stand just seem to show too many kids! ? -----? Elizabeth, I don't know about your Thomas Cary Daniel specifically, but there's a young Thomas Daniel in GA Harris near the Daniel/Satterwhite families that looks pretty certain as a son, so your Thomas Cary would be a second son named Thomas born within just a couple years of the other. Also problematic because there are so many Daniels in Wake, and Thomas Cary was still there in 1832 for his marriage, more so since it surely looks like the Daniel/Satterwhite family had left Granville by 1820. My Wake County records are too early to help, but I notice that Allen Rogers, the bondsman for Thomas Cary's 1832 marriage, is maybe the son, b. 1797, of Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Allen, and that your Thomas Cary named a daughter Martha Rogers Daniel. Is there some namesake stuff going on there that maybe ties them more to the Wake Daniels? ? And of course the big question is, are there male descendants for yDNA testing, or tests already? What do they indicate?? ? ? Regards from CA, hoping maybe we can sort this all out! Pam? ?
Elizabeth Daniel Mason All Messages By This Member #169 开云体育 Thanks a bunch Pam! Elizabeth toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Feb 13, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Pam Miller <gen@...> wrote: ? Hey, Elizabeth, Joe, and all, ? Here's a timeline of info from my records for Thomas Daniel (s/o Josiah) who md. Elizabeth Satterwhite), with some stuff to distinguish between the various contemporary Thomas Daniels in Granville County. Much of this you already have, I know. My comments/questions are in [brackets]. I put XX in front of data that are on trees about Thomas s/o Josiah that I believe are incorrect. The trees at ancestry and familysearch seem to be conflating the records of the various Thomas Daniels of Granville, all distinguishable by the tax, land, court, and probate records. ? ? -----? 1769 - “Josiah's Book” shows Thomas Daniel b. 17 Feb 1769. ? -----? F258 N9 1971a? State Census of NC 1784-1787.? Mrs. Alvaretta Kenan Register Granville "The number of Inhabitants in County Line district in the year 1786"? Columns: white male 21/60 - white male <21 or >60 - white fem all ages - Blacks 12/50 - Blacks <12>50 p.1: Josiah "Daniel 1-8-4-6-5,? [Gideon and Abraham Crenshaw on p. 3, Hesters are here] [Discrepancy: “Josiah's book” shows 9 sons and 3 daus b. by 1786, i.e. one is missing. Son James Key Daniel b. 22 Aug 1766 could be 21, depending on when this list was created. He's not listed under his own name, so I wonder why aren't there 2 polls listed for Josiah.] ? I'm not putting more stuff that shows Josiah with tick marks for sons that clearly include Thomas. ? -----? 1790 Census, Granville: (uses the 1788 tax lists). Josiah's tax list entries for 1787 through 1790 do not list his polls or slaves. ? -----? Granville Tax lists, I've done too many films of all the years to parse them out guaranteed here! ;) Here's a pretty sure list for what I've used in this post: 1758773 NC Granville Tax Lists 1767-1809 [some years on other films] - 1st book is 1767-1803, early stuff out of order and skips] 1758774 NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1809 306819? NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1935 306820? NC Granville? Tax lists, 1825-1834, 1836-1848 0018071? Tax Lists for various counties, various yrs, from St. Archives [this had 1769, but I think this = LDS 1758774 plus some?] ? Columns labels as shown here [including my own couple of column insertions for various reasons]: Year, District,? First, Last [D=Daniel, unless noted differently], Acres or val if no ac, Standardized ac [my insertion for reconciling? with land records/probate], Water, Other descrip, Free polls, Slaves, Other data, [My remarks/i.d.] ? -----? 1791 Tax [a diff list, no district given],? Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, [no polls in this list, near Chesley] 1791 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, ---, ---, [separate from others] ? -----? 1793 Tax Goshen ~Thomas, D, 0, [0] ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Leonard and Thomas] ? -----? 1793 Jan 29 mg bond, Thomas Daniel & Elisabeth Satterwhite; Robert Elliott, bm; W. Norwood, wit. The bond, #5635, is on Film 306192.? ? -----? 1796 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Thomas Sr and Chesley] ? -----? 1797 Granville Deeds, LDS Film 306131 Q132 Chesley Daniel to Thomas Daniel both Granv 5 Aug 1797, ?75, 120a Grassy on waters of Grassey Creek, beg at a post oak James Satterwhites corner then with his line E 86p to a white oak on the E sd of the branch thence S 222p to a red oak in Persons line thence W 86p to a black Jack Satterwhites corner thence with his line N 222p to beg.? wit Leonard Edwards, Susanna Daniel, Jas Edwards.? recd May ct 1798.? ?[This same land will be sold in 1808, see later.] ? -----? 1798 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 1, ---, [bought fr Chesley in 1797] ? -----? 1799 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Thomas Sr, Martin, Chesley] ? -----? 1800 Tax Goshen Thos Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley and Martin] ? -----? 1800 Census Granville: p. 509, District not labeled, but he and all census neighbors are in Goshen in the tax lists. Thomas Junr:? 1m 0-10, [no i.d.]? 1m 26-45, [Thomas age 31] 2f 0-10, [trees only show Sarah b. 1797] 1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite, age abt 30 (23 per some, but census entries makes her at least a few years older)] 2 slaves [matches tax list entry].? ***[Two of these first three kids are not accounted for on trees. Only Sarah b. 1797 seems noted, based on the 1850 GA census with Elizabeth. I also don't know why trees show Elizabeth as b. 1777?] ? -----? 1801 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Thos Sr, near Chesley and Henry] ? -----? 1801 Tax Goshen Thomas Jun, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [separate from other Daniel names] ? -----? 1802 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [near Chesley and James K.] ? -----? 1803 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near George] ? -----? Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306132 R-87 sale of slaves, 29 Jan 1803, James K. Daniel of Granville to Josiah Brown of Person and Thomas Daniel of Granville, in Joint Company, ?85, 3 Negroes in possession of Abraham Brown and Isaiah Richardson of Chatham co, woman Chloe about 43, boy Gabriel about 7, boy Joe about 4. wits: M. Satterwhite, Smith Satterwhite. recd Feb 1803 court. [This isn't guaranteed to be Thomas s/o Josiah, but the involved names make it pretty likely.] ? -----? 1804 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 2, 2, ---, [next to all] ? -----? 1805 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [next to Thomas] ? -----? 1806 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley] ? -----? 1807 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to all] ? -----? February 1807 Jurors to Superior Court appointed: David Brogdon, John Spears, James King, Israel Bailey, Garland Allen, Hubbard Cozart, James Wortham, Richard Inge, John Sims, John Smith, Rowland Gooch, Benjamin Hester, Dennis Obrient, Sr., Thos. Daniel, Jr., Bryant Cavender, John Pulliam, Sr., Obediah Farrow, William Gooch (Nap Of Reeds), Thos. Voss, Jr., John Hobgood, Woodson Daniel, John Oliver, John R. Eaton, George Gresham, John L. May, George Briggs Fleming, Thomas Leaman, Philip White And Howell Frazier. [Source: _Court Minutes of Granville County North Carolina 1746-1820 by Zae Hargett Gwynn 1977.] ? -----? 1808 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Chesley. See next, Woodson and Bev sell this 120a in 1808, but not recd until 1812.] ? -----? Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306134 V321 Woodson & Beverly Daniel to Stephen Landford all Granv 14 Dec 1808, ?110, 120a Granv on waters of Grassey Ck, bd James Satterwhites corner and line, Persons line, Satterwhites corner.? sig Woodson & B. Daniel.? wit Stephen Satterwhite, Gideon Crews Junr, J/Tu-l/by Ryestind?, ackn by Woodson Daniel, recd Feb 1812.? [This is the 120a Chesley sold to Thomas. There's no notice of POA nor of admin/exec right to sell. But Woodson and Beverly Daniel were some serious power players in Granville. I'm thinking they could get away with it?] ? -----? 1809 Tax Goshen Thomas, D, 120, ---, 1, 2, --- ? -----? 1810 Census Granville: p.883, two Thomas Daniel entries. Thomas Jr.?? 1m 0-10, [trees give three boys, b. 1801 John, 1805 David, 1808 Thomas Jefferson] 1m 10-16, [b. 1794-1800, not accounted for in trees?] 1m 26-45, Thomas Daniel b. age 41 2f 0-10, [trees say Parthenia and Martha] 1f 10-16, [Sarah age 13. Other early girl not here.] 1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite age abt 40] 3 slaves. ? Thomas Sr. has 1m 16-26, 1m 26-45, 1m 45+, 2f 16-26, 1f 45+, 7 slaves. This Thomas Sr. is the one who bought 200a from Joel Pope in Feb 1787 (Granv DB O491) and 249a from Pope in Dec 1787 (Caswell DB E230. The land was in Caswell and Granville). He is in the tax lists on Aaron's Creek for 449a and then later it is called 452a (including in the 1809 and 1811 lists). This is the Thomas who d. 1831, wf Mary d. 1838. Their kids include: Merriman, Jane md. Sterling Harris, Susannah md. Randall Wilkerson, Lilly md. A. G. Moore, William. This Thomas Sr. did live in the Country Line District where Josiah was, but he's on Aaron's Creek, while Josiah is on Grassey Creek/Hay Meadow Branch and Thomas' land purchased from Chesley is on Grassey aroound Blues Mountain. There's no interaction in the records I've found between this Thomas Sr. and the Middlesex Daniels. Thomas Sr. and his kids' records are also found in Caswell and Person counties. ? -----? 1811 Tax Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, 1, 0, ---, [separate] ? -----? 1811? - will of father Josiah – Thomas named in the group of older kids who have already received their shares. [Was his “share” probably the means to buy the 120a from Chesley? Thomas had already moved to Chesley's neighborhood before age 21, interesting to me.] ? -----? 1812 - The recording of the sale of the 120a, as shown above. ? ----- XX? A War of 1812 Pension Application is attached to Thomas s/o Josiah in a gazillion trees. It's a different Thomas. The application file is free at fold3, clarifying facts abound in it. I think this was the Thomas Daniel of the east county, on Nutbush, md. Elizabeth/Eliza Daniel, she the d/o Joseph and Nelly Daniel. A John Daniel Sr., of Warren County bought 145a on Nutbush in 1816. Thomas Daniel pops out in the tax lists 1816-1823 (at a much better age for service). He is taxed on 145a in Henderson on Nutbush/Crooked Run in 1818-1819. ? -----? 1814 Goshen Thomas Junr, D, 0, [0], ---, 1, 0, ---, [Woodson and Bev had sold this in 1808, recd 1812] ? -----? I haven't found further records in Granville land, court, probate, etc. for Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth.. ? ----- XX? Trees put the 1820 Granville Census Thomas Daniel as belonging to Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth. But this? Thomas is listed next to Nelly Daniel (his mother-in-law, described above in War of 1812 app) and they are in the Henderson District in both the tax lists and the Census. ? ------------? So, anyone have ideas on where Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite are in 1820-1830? I've had a possible theory for ages, never ground down hard on it. It doesn't fit perfectly, but it's the closest I've found, and Pulaski is “on the way west” to Harris County. Interested in any ideas. ? 1820 Census GA Pulaski.? Thomas Daniel: [The lack of a couple more boys 0-10 and 10-16 is a real problem.] 1m 0-10 [?Tandy age 9/10 or the Thomas Jefferson age 11 or the Thomas Cary?] 1m 10-16 [?the David age 14 or the Jefferson Jordan age 12 in trees? I don't think there's a David.] 1m 18-26 [in 16-26 but not 16-18 column, so ?the John in trees age 19?] 1m 45+ [?Thomas age 51] ? 2f 10-16 [?Parthenia age 15?] 2f 16-26 [?Sarah age 23? and ?Martha age 16-17 or is she in 10-16 column?] 1f 26-45 [?Elizabeth age 43?] ? The 1830 Census also shows an Elizabeth Daniel in Pulaski, but the ages and children do not match the 1820 family well enough; I just don't think it's Elizabeth Satterwhite Daniel in the 1830 Pulaski census. ? I sure wish somebody would write up a records proof of all the children shown as belonging to Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite. The various trees as they stand just seem to show too many kids! ? -----? Elizabeth, I don't know about your Thomas Cary Daniel specifically, but there's a young Thomas Daniel in GA Harris near the Daniel/Satterwhite families that looks pretty certain as a son, so your Thomas Cary would be a second son named Thomas born within just a couple years of the other. Also problematic because there are so many Daniels in Wake, and Thomas Cary was still there in 1832 for his marriage, more so since it surely looks like the Daniel/Satterwhite family had left Granville by 1820. My Wake County records are too early to help, but I notice that Allen Rogers, the bondsman for Thomas Cary's 1832 marriage, is maybe the son, b. 1797, of Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Allen, and that your Thomas Cary named a daughter Martha Rogers Daniel. Is there some namesake stuff going on there that maybe ties them more to the Wake Daniels? ? And of course the big question is, are there male descendants for yDNA testing, or tests already? What do they indicate?? ? ? Regards from CA, hoping maybe we can sort this all out! Pam? ?
Elizabeth Daniel Mason All Messages By This Member #170 Because it is my own family, lord knows, and we still live in the same area, I know the GA folks are not my direct line people. It does seem like everyone of the Thos & Eliz Satterwhite tribe, except my TC Daniel, hauls off to GA and by the grace of the almighty, for the most part takes the Jefferson name with them, but Chesley, Key and Cary continue to pop up. ?TC died in civil war prison & wife comes to SC with her kids. And you?are correct, Pam, all of the allied family names match up to the present date, obnoxiously so … my aunt is a née Daniel now Allen… including the Robert Elliott on Thos & Eliz Satterwhite’s marriage bond and the Allen Rogers on TC & Mary Shipp’s. That is my current mode of attack. Chesley’s (Josiah’s brother) daughter Martha 1763-1839 m. 1786 George Daniel (not sure who he is yet) but Martha dies at home with daughter Julia in Marion District of SC at Catfish Creek…my own personal Garden of Eden miasma from whence most of both sides (if you can call it that) of my family hails or arrives eventually. It is certainly a repository for surnames coming from Va and Granville County NC and they keep naming kids the same Christian names. One of my blasted husband’s name is Vivian. that’s a little Middlesex joke for you. It is so bad I have started calling the problem person du jour George Foreman. My only Daniel uncle or one of his 2 boys are going to do a Big Y- heavens for little boys…uncle had 5 sisters!?

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