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Hell Gate


 

The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight"
Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why?
Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinformation?


 

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D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
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please correct me if wrong on that
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Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
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From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
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The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight"
Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why?
Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinformation?


 

I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate to Fresh Pond.

Bill


D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
?
please correct me if wrong on that
?
Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
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From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
?
The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight"
Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why?
Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma

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I’ll ask a guy that would know.
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From: Bill OConnell
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:59 AM
To: [email protected] ; Bill><>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
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I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate to Fresh Pond.

Bill

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D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
?
please correct me if wrong on that
?
Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
?
From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
?
The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight"
Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why?
Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma
?

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Yes, CP/D&H was granted trackage rights between Schenectady and Fresh Pond in Queens to interchange with NY&A as part of the Conrail breakup (1998?)? They ran the service until around 2012 but then made a haulage agreement with CSX to handle the traffic.? The rights still exist and could be activated for running their own trains at any time.? CP would have to qualify crews and equip locomotives for that.? Traffic moving under the haulage agreement is still billed by CP.

Al Whalen


 

Adding to my previous post is that I was a D&H engineer during that period of time and frequently ran those trains.? Initially the run originated in Saratoga Springs but was then moved to a Kenwood (Albany) base.? In the beginning the runs terminated at the CSX Oak Point yard but then started running all the way to Fresh Pond. With rare exception the trains ran at night.? One year the CP Holiday Train went to Fresh Pond but the decorated GE wide cab had to be towed by the cab signal equipped SD40-2s.

Al Whalen


 

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CP positively did got to fresh Pond thru the Hell’s gate.
Memory served me well for a change.
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Bill><>
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From: Bill OConnell
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:59 AM
To: [email protected] ; Bill><>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
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I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate to Fresh Pond.

Bill

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D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
?
please correct me if wrong on that
?
Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
?
From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate
?
The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight"
Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why?
Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma
?

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