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Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
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On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now.
On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one.
On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now.
On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:56 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote: Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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pictures came through for me.? Pictures of the front would be good.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 6:56 AM John Chromey via <hogsback65= [email protected]> wrote:
Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one.
On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via <hogsback65= [email protected]> wrote:
Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now.
On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis ?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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I just noticed something in your pictures John.? The special thread chart under the regular thread chart.? We have never seen that chart before.? Try and get a good picture of it if you can please.? Dennis. ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:56 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote: Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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Dennis, you are absolutely right.? This really is confusing. Sounds to me like this lathe is kind of a Frankenstein machine. Since the first message I figured out how to get six speeds out of the lathe, replaced and set the electric drive belt, and ordered a new flat belt to replace the stiff leather one. I noticed that the low speed drive could not be turned without a considerable amount of force. I figured that it should be able to turn with hand pressure, so I disassembled? what I will call the back gear assembly cleaned and reset all the parts and now it turns rather easily. I also noted that the spindle drive gear at the left side of the head stock has a tooth missing. Seams to work ok but not designed that way. If you would like some other pictures let me know. I am going to keep tinkering with it and hope that I don't find any more issues.? Maybe? this thing needs to be restored and put under glass somewhere.? As a side note I do know the fellow that had this was an ex navy machinist and his widow told me that he had worked on an aircraft carrier, I'm guessing in the pacific somewhere. Wish I new more. Thanks? for the info.? I will have to reconnect at a later time. I have about a thousand questions. Thanks again.?
On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:32:44 AM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ?
From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:56 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote: Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis
On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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John to show you how much your prototype looks like a Lot 6 here is a picture of one of mine.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:09 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Dennis, you are absolutely right.? This really is confusing. Sounds to me like this lathe is kind of a Frankenstein machine. Since the first message I figured out how to get six speeds out of the lathe, replaced and set the electric drive belt, and ordered a new flat belt to replace the stiff leather one. I noticed that the low speed drive could not be turned without a considerable amount of force. I figured that it should be able to turn with hand pressure, so I disassembled? what I will call the back gear assembly cleaned and reset all the parts and now it turns rather easily. I also noted that the spindle drive gear at the left side of the head stock has a tooth missing. Seams to work ok but not designed that way. If you would like some other pictures let me know. I am going to keep tinkering with it and hope that I don't find any more issues.? Maybe? this thing needs to be restored and put under glass somewhere.? As a side note I do know the fellow that had this was an ex navy machinist and his widow told me that he had worked on an aircraft carrier, I'm guessing in the pacific somewhere. Wish I new more. Thanks? for the info.? I will have to reconnect at a later time. I have about a thousand questions. Thanks again.? On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:32:44 AM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote: Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis ? On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.
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Ah yes ?Dennis: ?Rustolium Black. ?Not quite Japanning…. but close :) ?-Bart
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John to show you how much your prototype looks like a Lot 6 here is a picture of one of mine.? Dennis<80279DD3F42B4EAB92FB75C6497DC79F.jpg> ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Dennis, you are absolutely right.? This really is confusing. Sounds to me like this lathe is kind of a Frankenstein machine. Since the first message I figured out how to get six speeds out of the lathe, replaced and set the electric drive belt, and ordered a new flat belt to replace the stiff leather one. I noticed that the low speed drive could not be turned without a considerable amount of force. I figured that it should be able to turn with hand pressure, so I disassembled? what I will call the back gear assembly cleaned and reset all the parts and now it turns rather easily. I also noted that the spindle drive gear at the left side of the head stock has a tooth missing. Seams to work ok but not designed that way. If you would like some other pictures let me know. I am going to keep tinkering with it and hope that I don't find any more issues.? Maybe? this thing needs to be restored and put under glass somewhere.? As a side note I do know the fellow that had this was an ex navy machinist and his widow told me that he had worked on an aircraft carrier, I'm guessing in the pacific somewhere. Wish I new more. Thanks? for the info.? I will have to reconnect at a later time. I have about a thousand questions. Thanks again.?? On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:32:44 AM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:? Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis ? On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.?
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Yes it does look fairly close. I got a better set of pictures for you. These should help? with the tags and show you some of the issues that I have come across.? Also shows what was included in a bucket she gave me.
On Monday, October 4, 2021, 01:00:10 PM CDT, Grey Pilgrim via groups.io <pilgrim23@...> wrote:
Ah yes ?Dennis: ?Rustolium Black. ?Not quite Japanning…. but close :) ?-Bart
John to show you how much your prototype looks like a Lot 6 here is a picture of one of mine.? Dennis<80279DD3F42B4EAB92FB75C6497DC79F.jpg> ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Dennis, you are absolutely right.? This really is confusing. Sounds to me like this lathe is kind of a Frankenstein machine. Since the first message I figured out how to get six speeds out of the lathe, replaced and set the electric drive belt, and ordered a new flat belt to replace the stiff leather one. I noticed that the low speed drive could not be turned without a considerable amount of force. I figured that it should be able to turn with hand pressure, so I disassembled? what I will call the back gear assembly cleaned and reset all the parts and now it turns rather easily. I also noted that the spindle drive gear at the left side of the head stock has a tooth missing. Seams to work ok but not designed that way. If you would like some other pictures let me know. I am going to keep tinkering with it and hope that I don't find any more issues.? Maybe? this thing needs to be restored and put under glass somewhere.? As a side note I do know the fellow that had this was an ex navy machinist and his widow told me that he had worked on an aircraft carrier, I'm guessing in the pacific somewhere. Wish I new more. Thanks? for the info.? I will have to reconnect at a later time. I have about a thousand questions. Thanks again.?? On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:32:44 AM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:? Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis ? On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.?
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On Monday, October 4, 2021, 02:19:18 PM CDT, John Chromey via groups.io <hogsback65@...> wrote:
Yes it does look fairly close. I got a better set of pictures for you. These should help? with the tags and show you some of the issues that I have come across.? Also shows what was included in a bucket she gave me.
On Monday, October 4, 2021, 01:00:10 PM CDT, Grey Pilgrim via groups.io <pilgrim23@...> wrote:
Ah yes ?Dennis: ?Rustolium Black. ?Not quite Japanning…. but close :) ?-Bart
John to show you how much your prototype looks like a Lot 6 here is a picture of one of mine.? Dennis<80279DD3F42B4EAB92FB75C6497DC79F.jpg> ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Dennis, you are absolutely right.? This really is confusing. Sounds to me like this lathe is kind of a Frankenstein machine. Since the first message I figured out how to get six speeds out of the lathe, replaced and set the electric drive belt, and ordered a new flat belt to replace the stiff leather one. I noticed that the low speed drive could not be turned without a considerable amount of force. I figured that it should be able to turn with hand pressure, so I disassembled? what I will call the back gear assembly cleaned and reset all the parts and now it turns rather easily. I also noted that the spindle drive gear at the left side of the head stock has a tooth missing. Seams to work ok but not designed that way. If you would like some other pictures let me know. I am going to keep tinkering with it and hope that I don't find any more issues.? Maybe? this thing needs to be restored and put under glass somewhere.? As a side note I do know the fellow that had this was an ex navy machinist and his widow told me that he had worked on an aircraft carrier, I'm guessing in the pacific somewhere. Wish I new more. Thanks? for the info.? I will have to reconnect at a later time. I have about a thousand questions. Thanks again.?? On Monday, October 4, 2021, 09:32:44 AM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? Good morning John ? OK your lathe is one of the first 100 or so prototype lot 5 lathes they built.? Let me explain.? For some reason Dalton copied the Lot 6 that came out in 1915 and also the Dalton 9 that came out a few years later.? Your lathe is built like the Lot 6 style bed with the lead screw and a separate power feed rod with auto kick out for longitudinal feed. The only thing of this lathe to survive to the production model was the head stock carriage assembly and the tails tock.? The bed and all the parts attached to it are unique to your lathe.? Deane Richardson has one like yours that is missing quite a few parts and I also have one that is really worn.? Yours as near as I can tell from your pictures is complete and in fair shape.? Also yours is the lowest of the three serial numbers.? We really don’t know how many lathes like yours was built but we know there must have been 62 as that is what Deane Richardson’s serial number is.? Cant remember mine right off hand but its lower than Deane’s. Also you have a metric thread tag the other two do not.? These metric threading tags have been seen a few times on all models and think maybe they were something that the purchaser ordered with the lathe.? Here is a picture of my Lot 5 prototype.? A side not was when we seen a picture years ago of Deane’s lathe and he said it was marked Lot 5 we thought it had been miss marked as in the pictures we seen of it we were sure it was a Lot 6 lathe till I found the one I have and realized it was much smaller than a Lot 6 it just looked like a Lot 6. What Dalton did in the final version of the Lot 5 was to simply use the Lot 4 bed, threading lead screw assembly and bed feet.? They also redesigned the apron as its different than yours as it does have power feed but gets its power from the keyway in the lead screw were as yours the back side of the apron is all together different taking power for auto feed from the feed rod.? All kind of confusing I am sure at this point.? Anyway welcome to the group and realize you have one very unusual Dalton lathe. Oh and my serial number is 32.?? ?Dennis ? Sent from??for Windows ? ? Let me know if these pictures? made it. Test run number one. On Monday, October 4, 2021, 08:35:07 AM CDT, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:? Dennis. Thanks for the reply. I can get you any picture you want. I just seem to have an issue getting things transfer ed from my phone to the computer and the to the group site.? If you have a cell phone I can get text photos in a snap.? Will keep working on the site? now. On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 09:17:16 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:? John we think the lot 5 came out in 1922 or 23. The 1922 patent number covers the end door hinge used on the TL pattern makers lathe. Think you have the lowest Lot 5 serial number. We need to see a picture of it to tell if it’s one of the first 100 or so prototype Lot 5 lathes. Dennis ? On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, John Chromey via??<hogsback65@...> wrote:
?Hello to the group. I just aquired a dalton six lot 5 number 23. I would like to know? what year it was made as the last patent date on the tag is mar 26 1918. According to any pictures i can find seems to indicate that this lathe would have been made around 1922. Looking for some help.? Also would any of you know the thread size and pitch of the head stock spindle. Thanks for any help Jon.?
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Hello dalton fans.? Since I have a lot 5 dalton and it seems that a lot of the lot 4 parts will fit the early ones, can I replace the headstock drive gear (small one) with a lot 4 drive gear??? The one on mine has a broken tooth.
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Hi John?? OK the cone pulley as its called is made a little differently than other brands of lathes.? For one the gear is cut on a long cast iron bushing that is pressed into the three step cone pulley.? ?I am the only one with spare parts and I don’t think I have any cone pulleys with gear that do not have teeth missing.? ? The best way of fixing your missing tooth is to very carefully drill and tap for three or four small screws were the broken tooth is.? Center as best you can.? Now using locktite secure the screws in the threaded holes.? Cut the heads off the screws and file to a height to match the teeth on either side of missing tooth.? Now carefully file the sides of the screw threads to form the shape of the tooth.? Its not going to be perfect but it will keep your gear from sufferings any more damage from the missing tooth.? This is an old world repair and have seen dozens of back gears repaired this way and many have ran for many years. Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 3:22 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Hello dalton fans.? Since I have a lot 5 dalton and it seems that a lot of the lot 4 parts will fit the early ones, can I replace the headstock drive gear (small one) with a lot 4 drive gear??? The one on mine has a broken tooth.
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would you have a picture of this repair. I would like to see this repair, I can visualize but would like to see it. Thanks
On Tuesday, October 5, 2021, 07:27:06 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Hi John?? OK the cone pulley as its called is made a little differently than other brands of lathes.? For one the gear is cut on a long cast iron bushing that is pressed into the three step cone pulley.? ?I am the only one with spare parts and I don’t think I have any cone pulleys with gear that do not have teeth missing.? ? The best way of fixing your missing tooth is to very carefully drill and tap for three or four small screws were the broken tooth is.? Center as best you can.? Now using locktite secure the screws in the threaded holes.? Cut the heads off the screws and file to a height to match the teeth on either side of missing tooth.? Now carefully file the sides of the screw threads to form the shape of the tooth.? Its not going to be perfect but it will keep your gear from sufferings any more damage from the missing tooth.? This is an old world repair and have seen dozens of back gears repaired this way and many have ran for many years. Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ?
From: John Chromey via groups.ioSent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 3:22 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] dalton lot5 lathe ? Hello dalton fans.? Since I have a lot 5 dalton and it seems that a lot of the lot 4 parts will fit the early ones, can I replace the headstock drive gear (small one) with a lot 4 drive gear??? The one on mine has a broken tooth.
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Can anybody confirm the head stock thread. As near as I can measure It is a 1 1/4x 12 thread. Am I on the right track??? Also if I was to drill and tap the broken tooth what would be the size and should I opt for a harder screw or just a soft tensile one. Thanks again.
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JOHN i asked this very question recently here is Dennis?Turk’s answer:
For the spindle its 1 1/4 - 12 threads per inch. This size is for the Lot 2
3 4 and 5. Lot 6 and the Dalton 9 is 1 7/8 - 8. Not sure what the 10 1/2
inch had as there is only a couple known of and no one in this group has one
of the three I know of.
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Can anybody confirm the head stock thread. As near as I can measure It is a 1 1/4x 12 thread. Am I on the right track??? Also if I was to drill and tap the broken tooth what would be the size and should I opt for a harder screw or just a soft tensile one. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the reply. I did a semi accurate measurement last night and thats what I came up with also.? Thanks again cheers.
On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 12:14:42 PM CDT, Grey Pilgrim via groups.io <pilgrim23@...> wrote:
JOHN i asked this very question recently here is Dennis?Turk’s answer:
For the spindle its 1 1/4 - 12 threads per inch. This size is for the Lot 2
3 4 and 5. Lot 6 and the Dalton 9 is 1 7/8 - 8. Not sure what the 10 1/2
inch had as there is only a couple known of and no one in this group has one
of the three I know of.
Can anybody confirm the head stock thread. As near as I can measure It is a 1 1/4x 12 thread. Am I on the right track??? Also if I was to drill and tap the broken tooth what would be the size and should I opt for a harder screw or just a soft tensile one. Thanks again.
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Hello again Dalton fans.? So I have installed new belts. Had Al Bino send me one of the glue together belts for the headstock. Actually works very well. But now I have connected on a Logan 820 in exceptional condition along with a ton of tooling, so now I do not need two lathes . I would like to offer the Dalton lathe to anyone of the Dalton group that might be interested.? You would get the lathe, the new rolling tool box it's attached to and all the tooling I got with it. If there is any interest let me know. I will not put this to anyone outside of the Dalton group for the next week or so. Thank you to all those that helped me try to decipher the history and identity of this lathe.? The? amount of information was exceptional.? Thanks again
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Hello again Dalton fans.? So I have installed new belts. Had Al Bino send me one of the glue together belts for the headstock. Actually works very well. But now I have connected on a Logan 820 in exceptional condition along with a ton of tooling, so now I do not need two lathes . I would like to offer the Dalton lathe to anyone of the Dalton group that might be interested.? You would get the lathe, the new rolling tool box it's attached to and all the tooling I got with it. If there is any interest let me know. I will not put this to anyone outside of the Dalton group for the next week or so. Thank you to all those that helped me try to decipher the history and identity of this lathe.? The? amount of information was exceptional.? Thanks again
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