Thanks!
R.T. :D

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The seller is bilsey47 item # 7599225433

Considering what's missing, it's not worth the $250 he was asking,

hence no bids.

I'm not interested as I have a couple to restore already.

Good Luck,
Brad

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Hello everyone,
I just posted a few pictures of the lot 4 I've finally finished after
almost a year. The headstock, saddle, cross-slide, top-slide, and
tailstock all spent some time out at the Turk Lathe Works where they
were refurbished by Dennis himself. The headstock bearings got shimmed
and was lined up with the tailstock,and got thrust bearings instead of
those red fiber washers; a new barrel,nut and screw was machined for
the tailstock; the cross slide got a new screw, dial ring and bearings;
the top-slide was replaced and also got a new screw.
So a big THANKS to Dennis for all the work to make the lathe operable!
Also a thank you to the agent who got me a great rate on my second
mortgage to pay for all the work. "- )
The bed is still being shimmed. I have it down to about .001 taper in
6 inches, and it seems to have stopped moving, but I still check it
about once a week. Now that it's warming up in my basement, I'll have
to see if it moves as it warms up.
This is the first lathe I've owned, so I'm still figuring out how to
use it.
So that's all for now, it's starting to get light outside so I should
be getting ready for work. Later, folks.
Dave

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Does anyone have contact information to the Dalton lathe that was
listed on ebay several times within the last year located in Virginia?
I will be traveling I-81 in a few weeks and may be able to pick it up
if any one is interested and knows the contact information, and a deal
struck.

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Hello Fellow Gang Members,
This is one of my alter egos addresses. Let yahoo deal with yahoo spam.

Does anyone have contact information to the Dalton lathe that was
listed on ebay several times within the last year located in Virginia?
I will be traveling I-81 in a few weeks and may be able to pick it up
if any one is interested and knows the contact information, and a deal
struck.

R.T. :D Notorious Alabama Dalton Lathe owner :D

Hi all
We need to clarify some of your Dalton history. I am afraid that
Tony Griffith has some errors in his interpretation of Dalton
history.

Ron Jim Bonner came up with some court documents a couple of years
ago that dispute Tony's interpretation of old Hubert. These
documents were dated 1933 and in them it is stated that the Dalton
lathe company was located in NY from 1914 to 1925 when they went
into receivership. The Dalton Mfg. Comp. had lost money every year
from 1914 to 1925 and the government closed them down. Hubert paid
off all the creditors out of his own pocket to the tune of
$365.000. Some time in 1925 all production of lathes was moved to
the South Beach plant. I really think that Hubert was using the
losses of the Dalton Mfg comp. to offset profits in his other
companies and the move to South Beach was in his plans. He
according to these court records was a very wealthy man and a
prolific inventor. This is were he made most of his money. The
five companies he owned were assigned different inventions to
produce. If you check out Andy's web site and look at some of the
inventions he held patents on you will see what I mean. Hubert was
in court to try and get some back taxes reduced over the closure of
the Dalton Mfg Comp. Owe by the way he lost his court battle and
had to pay up.

Dalton Mfg. Comp. started building lathes we think in about 1910
first with the OT and then on to the Lot 2 and Lot 3 lathes. These
lathes are different than all that followed in many ways. I have
two lot 3 lathes and parts to a Lot 2 and these parts are like John
Allen's Lot 2 down in Kentucky. These are really smaller lathes
though they do still swing 7 inches and have a 30 inch bed. The
saddle cross slide and compound are much different and smaller.
The end door is about two thirds the size of a Lot 4 lathe. These
early lathes show a lot of changes as we don't have two that are
alike. A seam there was a lot of development work going on in the
early years. The spindle and bearings are the same as is the back
gear but the head stock casting is much lighter and also the cone
pulley is smaller as is the counter shaft mating pulley. The tail
stock seems to be the only thing that is the same. The bed and the
way things mount to it are unique to the early lathes and have much
smaller vee ways and the lead screw mounts are totally different.
The forward reveres shifter is also different and we have three
different versions of this design. The first Lot 4 came out in 1914
we think as that is the first patent dates we have. I actually have
a Lot 2 spindle that I got from HDD or Jeff Burris about five years
ago. He had a bunch of used Dalton parts that he sold and I got all
of them. John Allan got the tail stock as he needed one. In this
batch of parts was a spindle that though well used it was unique in
that it has a 3C collet seat machined in the end of the spindle and
the key for the collet is secured under a screw in the front bearing
journal. It is the only one we have seen like it. Owe one other
thing secured to the spindle with some wire was a set of brand new
spindle bearings."-)))))

You must remember that Hubert Dalton owned five different companies
at this time though we only know the names and locations for the
two.

Lot OT and Lot 2 3 4 5 6 and Lot 8 as well as the TL lathe and also
the combination lathe were all built at the New York plant up till
1925. It must be noted that we call the 9 ? inch lathe with a four
foot bed the Lot 8 as we have not found an example of one yet.
There may be one in England but the fellow has not sent pictures of
it yet. We call this lathe the Lot 8 because we just don't know
what it was called. This lathe shared the same bed and most all
other parts with the Lot 6 lathe only had a taller tail stock and
head stock as well as the longer bed. For you that have not had a
chance to work with a Lot 6 lathe they are a far cry from all the
smaller lathes. These really are in the same class as a SB of the
time and in some ways had better features. Some of witch are larger
hardened and ground spindles threading feeding stops and really more
heavily built beds. They weight much more than a 9 inch SB Logan
and Sheldon lathes that came later.

The South Beach plant was built sometime in the early twenties and
housed the Dalton tool company. Here is were all the tooling and
accessories for the lathes and other products were built. This was a
new plant and had casting facilities so Dalton could build every
part of the lathes and there accessories. Up till the South Beach
plant Dalton sub contracted all the gears and tags to a company in
CT. Flather lathe used the same components on there 7 inch lathe
only the address on the threading tag was different. I have a
Flather 7 inch and all the change gears are exactly the same as
Daltons. Even have all the same casting markings. . Dalton started
building all there own change gears with the introduction of the
full disc gear in the early to mid twenties. We don't know just
when the Lot 5 came out but we think it was the early twenties and
by 1925 had seen some changes. My Lot 5 was built in the South
Beach plant according to the threading tag and has some of the later
features. We have a few more lathes that were built there and they
are all the very late model ones. Greg Fosmark's being the newest
Dalton we have a Lot 6 with serial number 7014. The other Lot 6
lathes we have are all under 400. Greg's lathe sports a number of
very nice improvements.

There are a number of features on the lathes that indicate to me
about when they were built. Tail stocks changed in about 1923 or 24
on the Lot 4 and Lot 5 lathes. We see the same design detail on the
Later Lot 6 lathes.

If you did not know Dalton Tool company failed in the stock market
crash of 1929. Some of this history I have gleaned from the Electro
Lux vacuum cleaner company history. This was a Swedish company that
purchased the South Beach plant in 1931. It was intact with all the
Dalton manufacturing equipment in place. They used much of this
equipment in the startup of building vacuum cleaners here in the US.

Dennis Turk

Hi all Lot 6 owners. I have a few extra Boston change gears that fit
your lot 6 B-6 lathe.

The only difference between Dalton gears and the Boston ones is that
Boston use two keyways were and Dalton only had one. Other than that
they are a direct replacement.

What I have are three 20 tooth gears two 46 tooth gears and one 60
tooth gear. These gears are basically new.

I would like $10 for each if anyone needs any.

Dennis Turk.

Ron,

As far as I know, the carriage auto feed stop was only available on the
B-6. If there were any later models produced, I would imagine they
would have had it also. The B-4s didn't have a second shaft to drive a
worm gear. Although Rob Libby's B-5 has a second shaft, I don't see
the drum and collar for the auto feed stop.

The way it works is that the slotted shaft that drives the worm gear is
spring loaded toward the tail stock end. The spring is located in a
drum at the headstock end of the shaft. The collar can be locked with
a set screw anywhere along the shaft. When the carriage contacts the
collar, the collar moves the shaft toward the head stock end until it
disengages with it's drive gear. Naturally, when the shaft stops
turning, the worm gear stops turning and the carriage stops. I was
surprised how well it works.

Jim

Jim

You wrote that "There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can be
set to use the auto feed stop on the carriage."

How does this work, and is it just on the B-6 or was it also
available on the B-4

Ron Peeler


--- In daltonlathes@..., "jimbnnr" <bogyjim@...> wrote:

My lathe is a Dalton B-6. It has an 8 1/4" swing and a 36 inch

bed.

I got lucky with my lathe in that it came with several

accessories.

It came with an 8" face plate, a four inch 3 jaw chuck with reverse
jaws, a six inch 3 jaw, a six inch 4 jaw, nose pieces for both 3c

and

4c collets, a collet draw bar with adapter for both 3c and 4c,
threading dial, a full set of change gears (except the 125t and

127t

for metric), a set of Dalton wrenches, a spindle thread protector,
steady rest, following rest, and the adapter and tool rests for

wood

turning.

The B-6 has a worm gear and a clutch in the apron that is driven by

a

slotted shaft. There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can be
set to use the auto feed stop on the carriage. With the change

gears

set to cut 72 TPI, the clutch will feed the carriage at .004 per
revolution. I had some modifications made to the lathe that make

it

easier to use. Dennis Turk rebuilt the saddle and top slide. He

put

a new lead screw and nut in the cross slide. He also installed
a .200 by .001 micrometer dial on the cross slide and a .100

by .001

micrometer dial on the compound slide. As you know, it's a real

pain

using the original micrometer dials.

I'll try to put some pics in the album section later.

Jim Bonner

South Bend Model C Hey I could use another one of these but I don't
think I have the room.

Ron



--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:

Hi All

Just a little note now that I have a computer working again.

I have a number of projects in the shop right now. I am helping
Todd Young with his TL Dalton that is a real puzzle as all the
Dalton cast in name and letters have been ground off the lathe and
the big Dalton TL that is on the front of the bed has been covered
up with a riveted on steel plate. Todds Dalton has a damaged
cross slide so I am fixing him up with modifide 9 inch SB cross
slide and compound. For you that do not know much about a TL they
do not have a compund rather a very simple cross slide with a tee
slot for the tool post.

I also have Greg Fosmarks Lot 6 saddle cross slide and compound in
for some repairs and upgrades. Mister Bonner you will be pleased

to

know that the large dial rings on Gregs lathe are factory

orginals.

Very nicely done I mite add. Gregs parts are in great shape and
will be an easy fix. Like the one I did for Jim Bonner I am
upgrading the cross slide from a 7/16 10 LH screw to a 1/2 10 LH so
I could use his original nut. I did this also on Todds TL lathe as
there was room for the larger screw. These screws I make her at

the

home shop.Both of these lathes are being setup with ball and needle
thrust bearings on the cross slide and compound screw so all end
play in the screws is eliminated. Makes for nice feel also. Right
Jim?

Mister Andy Sargent has a very nice surprise coming to him in the
future but we will only tantalize him right now."-))))

John Glands B4 Dalton is back home and up and running. John seems
to be really pleased with the way it turned out. Lots of work but
was a fun project. John is in the proccess of restoring and

setting

up a very old small Pratt and Whitney horizontal mill to go with

the

Dalton. John will use the tools in his restoration of old antique
fishing reals.

I have just finished up the restoration and repair of a 1943 Heavy
Ten South Bend that will go to my nephew down in Medford Oregon. I
have also just finished a C model 36 inch South Bend workshop lathe
that will go to some diserving indavidual that will take care of
it. Any takers???????????

I am in the last steps of getting my lathe stand with flywheel and
peddle assembly shipped from England. These parts go to my 1931
Drummond lathe that I have restored. Now if you guys wont to work
on something really odd try and English machine for a change.

Sure glad that this user group is up and running and please feel
free to post questions to me here rather than at my home address.
This way all will get the benifit of the chat that goes on here. I
am also a memember of the SB and the English Drummond user groups
and have had a lot of fun with them. Several years ago Andy and

I

talked about a user group but at the time we felt there were just
not enough Daltons around to make it work. I stand corrected Andy
but I think we are up to over seventy Daltons known of now. They
just keep coming out of the wood work it seams.

Hay Andy Woody emailed me wile my computer was down and he needs
some belting for his Lot 6. Can you email him and give him a

hand.

It seams that there is still some bugs in this new computer as I

can

receive emails but can send them right now so this is why I am
posting here.

Also I was inventoring my Lot six change gears today and I find

that

I have a couple of extra ones so if any Lot six owner needs

anything

let me know. I will post a list of what I have if anyone is
interested. I also have a nice selection of new West German and SB
4C collets for you Lot 6 owners. If interested let me know.

John Gland is shipping me the Lot 5 lathe the he picked up for me.
Before to long I should have a list of spare parts that I will have
avalable from the last two Daltons the were gotten off ebay. Dave
Kirk in NY had one of them and we still need to deside just what we
are going to do with it. Dave as used a couple of parts but not
just sure what we are going to do with the rest of them. Both of
these lathes are of the later post 1923 production so have the two
piece back gear guards so they are not usable on early Lot 3 or 4
lathes. I will see what we get with the lathe John is shipping me
and there may be some change gears avalable from this lathe.

Well this should be enough for one day so all you Dalton owners

keep

them lathes turing out works of art.

Dennis Turk

Hi All

Just a little note now that I have a computer working again.

I have a number of projects in the shop right now. I am helping
Todd Young with his TL Dalton that is a real puzzle as all the
Dalton cast in name and letters have been ground off the lathe and
the big Dalton TL that is on the front of the bed has been covered
up with a riveted on steel plate. Todds Dalton has a damaged
cross slide so I am fixing him up with modifide 9 inch SB cross
slide and compound. For you that do not know much about a TL they
do not have a compund rather a very simple cross slide with a tee
slot for the tool post.

I also have Greg Fosmarks Lot 6 saddle cross slide and compound in
for some repairs and upgrades. Mister Bonner you will be pleased to
know that the large dial rings on Gregs lathe are factory orginals.
Very nicely done I mite add. Gregs parts are in great shape and
will be an easy fix. Like the one I did for Jim Bonner I am
upgrading the cross slide from a 7/16 10 LH screw to a 1/2 10 LH so
I could use his original nut. I did this also on Todds TL lathe as
there was room for the larger screw. These screws I make her at the
home shop.Both of these lathes are being setup with ball and needle
thrust bearings on the cross slide and compound screw so all end
play in the screws is eliminated. Makes for nice feel also. Right
Jim?

Mister Andy Sargent has a very nice surprise coming to him in the
future but we will only tantalize him right now."-))))

John Glands B4 Dalton is back home and up and running. John seems
to be really pleased with the way it turned out. Lots of work but
was a fun project. John is in the proccess of restoring and setting
up a very old small Pratt and Whitney horizontal mill to go with the
Dalton. John will use the tools in his restoration of old antique
fishing reals.

I have just finished up the restoration and repair of a 1943 Heavy
Ten South Bend that will go to my nephew down in Medford Oregon. I
have also just finished a C model 36 inch South Bend workshop lathe
that will go to some diserving indavidual that will take care of
it. Any takers???????????

I am in the last steps of getting my lathe stand with flywheel and
peddle assembly shipped from England. These parts go to my 1931
Drummond lathe that I have restored. Now if you guys wont to work
on something really odd try and English machine for a change.

Sure glad that this user group is up and running and please feel
free to post questions to me here rather than at my home address.
This way all will get the benifit of the chat that goes on here. I
am also a memember of the SB and the English Drummond user groups
and have had a lot of fun with them. Several years ago Andy and I
talked about a user group but at the time we felt there were just
not enough Daltons around to make it work. I stand corrected Andy
but I think we are up to over seventy Daltons known of now. They
just keep coming out of the wood work it seams.

Hay Andy Woody emailed me wile my computer was down and he needs
some belting for his Lot 6. Can you email him and give him a hand.
It seams that there is still some bugs in this new computer as I can
receive emails but can send them right now so this is why I am
posting here.

Also I was inventoring my Lot six change gears today and I find that
I have a couple of extra ones so if any Lot six owner needs anything
let me know. I will post a list of what I have if anyone is
interested. I also have a nice selection of new West German and SB
4C collets for you Lot 6 owners. If interested let me know.

John Gland is shipping me the Lot 5 lathe the he picked up for me.
Before to long I should have a list of spare parts that I will have
avalable from the last two Daltons the were gotten off ebay. Dave
Kirk in NY had one of them and we still need to deside just what we
are going to do with it. Dave as used a couple of parts but not
just sure what we are going to do with the rest of them. Both of
these lathes are of the later post 1923 production so have the two
piece back gear guards so they are not usable on early Lot 3 or 4
lathes. I will see what we get with the lathe John is shipping me
and there may be some change gears avalable from this lathe.

Well this should be enough for one day so all you Dalton owners keep
them lathes turing out works of art.

Dennis Turk

Hi All

Well some one finally did it. Dalton user group. I will right more
later but right now I just wont to say hello. Owener of many Dalton
lathes."-))))))

Dennis Turk.

My lathe is a Dalton B-6. It has an 8 1/4" swing and a 36 inch bed.
I got lucky with my lathe in that it came with several accessories.
It came with an 8" face plate, a four inch 3 jaw chuck with reverse
jaws, a six inch 3 jaw, a six inch 4 jaw, nose pieces for both 3c and
4c collets, a collet draw bar with adapter for both 3c and 4c,
threading dial, a full set of change gears (except the 125t and 127t
for metric), a set of Dalton wrenches, a spindle thread protector,
steady rest, following rest, and the adapter and tool rests for wood
turning.

The B-6 has a worm gear and a clutch in the apron that is driven by a
slotted shaft. There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can be
set to use the auto feed stop on the carriage. With the change gears
set to cut 72 TPI, the clutch will feed the carriage at .004 per
revolution. I had some modifications made to the lathe that make it
easier to use. Dennis Turk rebuilt the saddle and top slide. He put
a new lead screw and nut in the cross slide. He also installed
a .200 by .001 micrometer dial on the cross slide and a .100 by .001
micrometer dial on the compound slide. As you know, it's a real pain
using the original micrometer dials.

I'll try to put some pics in the album section later.

Jim Bonner

Hello Ron,

My name is Jim Bonner. I have a Dalton B-6. Thanks for setting up
this group.

I'm not sure if the B-4 uses a ball bearing or a fiber washer for a
thrust bearing. (the B-6 uses a ball bearing) You could start
with .002. After some turning, you could re-check the clearance and
adjust accordingly.

Jim



--- In daltonlathes@..., "Ron Peeler" <Ronaldpeeler@...>
wrote:

Trying to get an old B4 up and running. The spindle had 0.011

inches

of play from left to right. I adjusted the thrust bearing to give me
about 0.002 inches of play. I originally made it less than 0.0005",

but

then after thinking about it backed it off to 0.002". Last thing I
wanted to do was make it too tight and burn the bearings.

Any thoughts?

Trying to get an old B4 up and running. The spindle had 0.011 inches
of play from left to right. I adjusted the thrust bearing to give me
about 0.002 inches of play. I originally made it less than 0.0005", but
then after thinking about it backed it off to 0.002". Last thing I
wanted to do was make it too tight and burn the bearings.

Any thoughts?