Damn Gareth you could not be any farther away from me and still be on the North America continent.? Bet its wet there and also cold and windy”-((? I’m in Oregon Gareth.? I bet the fishing around there is good though.? Dennis

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How the heck did a Rare Dalton get up there.? Hmmmmmmm.:-)))))))? Dennis

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In Prince Edward Island, Canada

We’re are you located Gareth?? Dennis

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Yes the cross slide gib I have isnt in very good shape I would like to get a new one if possible

The door on Mitch’s lathe like all other Daltons is cast iron.? Not sure Mitch is still with this forum as I would have thought he would have chimed in on this series of post Gareth. ??The parts you show look quite good.? Do you need a new cross slide gib made I think you mentioned it was damaged.

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I do have the cross slide it appears to be the same as Mitch's, its nice to have his as a reference. I attached a picture of various parts on a shelf, the cross slide is with them, I can get a better photo of it tomorrow though. Good to know that the compound can be fabricated, looking forward to getting it operational. Would the door on Mitch's lathe be cast Iron or cast aluminum?

Gareth I did some photo shop work on Mitch’s picture so here is what the original compound looks like and you can see the clamp bar on the side of the lower casting.???? Dennis

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Thanks Dennis, why were the cross slide and compound unsuccessful on the lot 2 and will this one be the same? is the end door specific to the lot 10, I wonder if I could find dimensions and fab one. The lathe is currently going through electrolysis so paint and reassembly will be starting soon, then I will have a better idea of what I will be needing and probably some more questions. Any info is appreciated thanks for the help

Gareth

Gareth here are a couple more pictures of the compound on Mitch Nash’s lathe.? This is the only complete Dalton 10 that we know of.? Mitch uses his lathe and has not been restored.? Dennis

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Interesting thanks for the info, I wonder how many like it were built. It will be a couple days before I can check the lead screw size. I'm missing the gear cover that goes on the end, the compound rest is missing, The chuck is in bad shape and the cross slide gib isnt in very good shape. I think thats all I'm missing. I'm also curious what the holes in the legs were for they are on both sides. thanks

Gareth McIver

Gareth as to the cross slide compound problem.? You see in my photo the cross slide has a fat spud standing up that the compound lower casting sits over.? Then the lower casting is secured to the spud with a sort of clamp on one side of the compound casting.? On a Lot 2 it was held with a blunt nosed set screw.? This was just not a very successful attachment design. ??The one on the Dalton 10 was better but the more conventional design on the Lot 3 4 5 6 and Dalton 9 is much better.? So do you have the cross slide Gareth?? If so I can help you in a fabricated compound. ??WE might have another alternative though.? When you get the lathe back together I will have you do some specific measuring for me so I can see if we can substitute a Dalton 9 cross side and compound.? If so I do have these parts.? What is unique about the end door on your lathe is that rather than the door swinging horizontally it pivots vertically.? The last patent that old Hubert Dalton got was for this hinge. All Dalton TL lathes use this style of door and hinge.? In fact the door on a TL looks just like the one on your Dalton 10 only yours would be larger.? We can do some photo work on the TL door and hinge so you could fabricate a facsimile for your lathe or get pictures and dimensions off the only one to exist being Mitch Nash’s lathe.? Best thing would be to talk Mitch into sending us his door and hinge attachment casting so we could replicated it..? Need to talk to Mitch if he is still with this group. Pictures are of on of my Dalton TL lathes though smaller the door on the Dalton 10 looks just like it and functions just the same.

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As to the half nut what you’re looking at is a very well done repair job.? Dalton never made a set of half nuts with bronze inserts? but is a standard practice for repairing worn out threads in original half nut.? I have not done so but I know of one guy here in the US that actually does this all the time for people.?? I don’t think I? have any Lot 5 apron parts Andrea.? Lot 4 yes but no Lot 5.? You? would also need a keyway in the lead screw to power the worm if we had the parts.? Yes 12 pitch for the lead screw would be correct.? Lot 2 3 4 and 5 used the 12 pitch Lot 6 and Dalton 9 used 10 pitch and the really rare Dalton 10 inch used 8 pitch.

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Hi,
I got to work on the lathe...I finished disassembling and cleaning every single piece.
To reply Dennis, mi apron is missing the worm gear and the casting supporting it.
Also the split nut is different from the one in the picture you posted, in my case the thread is brass.

Here two pictures of the back of the apron (before and after cleaning).

About the threading lead screw I remembered well, it is imperial, 12 threads per inches.

Andrea

Gareth if you talking about two holes that are on the face of the legs there was a gear storage wrack that bolted onto the inside of? one of the legs.? The holes at the end of the legs are for bolting the lathe legs to the floor as in this era most all shop floor were wood and machines were lag bolted do the floor.???

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Interesting thanks for the info, I wonder how many like it were built. It will be a couple days before I can check the lead screw size. I'm missing the gear cover that goes on the end, the compound rest is missing, The chuck is in bad shape and the cross slide gib isnt in very good shape. I think thats all I'm missing. I'm also curious what the holes in the legs were for they are on both sides. thanks

Gareth McIver

Ha I can’t tell you Rick but here is a picture Dave took of the lathe before he dismantled it to remove it from the carriage? house.? You can see the radiator grill in the picture.? Also note the original condition of this really marvelous find

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What year and make was the car?

Gareth here are a couple of pictures of one of our other Dalton 10 inch machines.? The first one is also included a bench model I found in Florida about 20 years ago. Tried to purchase it but the seller would not ship it. ?We have also lost track of it so have no idea of what ever happened to it.?

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The odd thing about the 10 inch lathe is the compound slide and the cross slide as its made just like the Lot 2 lathe and till this ten inch showed up we have ever seen another model use that style of compound mounting.? On the lot 2 it was not successful and so the Lot 3 lathe later that year (1913) was changed.? The end door also is a puzzle to us as it used the patent hinge that is on the Dalton TL lathe and that patent date is 1922. Mitch Nash has the only complete Dalton 10 and also on it all castings had the word Dalton were ground off.? Also no serial number.? This would indicate that these larger lathes were prototypes that were sold off at the end of production in 1929.? We think this was to gain some small amount of revenue.? With no name or serial number three would be no tractability.? Also Mitch Nash’s lathe has? a thread chart but the upper part where the company name and address would have been was cut off.? Gareth I have two Dalton 9 parts lathes so down the road we can look to see if any of the cross slide and compound parts can be used on your lathe.?

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It’s really interesting guys that we now have three of these really rare lathes show up.? I really think given the quality of the Lot 6 lathe and also the Dalton 9 inch lathe this 10inch lathe would have been a real success if it had not been for the stock market crash of 1929.

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Interesting thanks for the info, I wonder how many like it were built. It will be a couple days before I can check the lead screw size. I'm missing the gear cover that goes on the end, the compound rest is missing, The chuck is in bad shape and the cross slide gib isnt in very good shape. I think thats all I'm missing. I'm also curious what the holes in the legs were for they are on both sides. thanks

Gareth McIver

Ha I had forgotten I had even made this video.? The Lathe for you guys that have not seen it is the one that came out of the carriage house on an estate on Long Island NY about 10 years ago.? This lathe was purchased from the 88 year old son of the original owner who purchased the lathe new in 1917.? It was used to make three new wood spokes for a small front carriage wheel.? Seems the old boy gave up on Horses in 1922 and purchased a car.? That car was still sitting in the Carriage house when Dave Kirk my NY friend went in to pick up the lathe.?

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By the way this lathe is not painted rather this is the first lathe I did in 60% gloss black powder coat.? It’s the closest to Japanning I have been able to do.? The reference to the gear noise is the two mycarda or linen ?board gears that are in the planetary drive that gives the lathe reveres. That’s what is in the large diameter wheel at the left side of the countershaft.? This lathe for all practical per passes is a brand new lathe .? No sign of use or wear on this lathe when I got it.? Just dirty from sitting with a quilt tossed over it for 95 years. The amazing thing is given the climate there was not one spot of rust or patina on any part of the lathe and all unpainted metal was still bright. Dennis

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OK you have a Lot 6 or the 8 ? inch swing lathe with a 36 inch bed.? I have two of these myself.? There are no manuals or how to use manual for any of the Daltons least any that we have ever found.? Your best bet on an operational manual is to acquire a copy of how to run a lathe by South Bend lathe.? Much of what you see in this booklet will apply to your Dalton? So did you get the change gears with the lathe?? Also look at the very end of the bed tail stock end and you will find the Lot # and a serial number. Picture is what your lathe looked like when new.?? Dennis

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Hello,

My name is Alan I inherited a Dalton B 6 lathe and am going to go through the restoration process, I am a mechanic by trade and am not a machinist. I received this from an uncle who purchased it from the U.S Navy. He was a machinist mate and learned his military trade on a Dalton lathe in the 1930's. My uncle used to make things on this lathe for my bicycles, go karts and motorcycles. I am hoping that there is some operator/repair manuals available so I can restore and use this lathe. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Alan

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OK you have a Lot 6 or the 8 ? inch swing lathe with a 36 inch bed.? I have two of these myself.? There are no manuals or how to use manual for any of the Daltons least any that we have ever found.? Your best bet on an operational manual is to acquire a copy of how to run a lathe by South Bend lathe.? Much of what you see in this booklet will apply to your Dalton.? So did you get the change gears with the lathe?? Also look at the very end of the bed tail stock end and you will find the Lot # and a serial number. Picture is what your lathe looked like when new.?? Dennis

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