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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
Glen Linscheid
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if you make some, I’ll take one for sure." ?Thanks for the encouragement Glenn.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 5:41 PM glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote: Glen,? Re threading dual:? if you make some, I’ll take one for sure. |
Re: Thread dial
开云体育This is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock gear that was made of brass and was very thin. ?So on these three early models the width of the gear is not important at all. ? In the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.? ? Remember that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape takes care of the angle. ? Including a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made. ? On last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen. ? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chrisser
via groups.io ? I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it
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Thread dial
I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.? They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may not even be useable. That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend themselves to building a Dalton thread dial. Here's the parts page:? The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial. P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.?? You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the shaft slightly from vertical. I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them available, that's definitely the way to go.?? But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch, even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut. Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit better.? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other parts that can be modified to fit Daltons. Just food for thought... |
Re: Dalton 6" Type B-6 Metal Lathe Thread Threading Dial 3/4" x 10 TPI Lea – Farm Boy Sales
开云体育Problem is there was no Daltons built with that size lead screw.? ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Molburg ? ? |
Re: Hello everyone
开云体育Hi Joe I shipped the guy the worm gear with clutch shaft and knob I may still have the worm and its mounting casting.? Will have to take a look tomorrow. I also sold this guy the cone pulley with the back gear but our wonderful UPS lost it for use and was not interested in finding it only paying me for it. Bastards you know how rare Dalton 9 parts are.? Grrrrrrrr? I do have another Dalton 9 but it’s not going to be parted out. It’s the only 36 inch bed model I believe and its complete with a lever operated collet closer.? That makes two lever operated collet closers we have found. Ralph Feron in Chicago has one of a Dalton 4 or 5 and I have this one for a Dalton 9 though it would work on a Lot 6 also.? Dennis ? ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of j_dubya_martin
via groups.io ? Dennis: I may be the fellow you sent the clutch to. From what you said I thought that you may have had a complete apron besides what you sent me. I am just missing the worm gear that mounts on the cone clutch. I wanted to be sure I understood what parts you had left. Thanks, Joe On 12/26/21 3:18 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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DanLins <linscheid.dan@...> added folder /Threading Dial dwgs - Dennis Turk |
Re: Hello everyone
开云体育Dennis: I may be the fellow you sent the clutch to. From what you said I thought that you may have had a complete apron besides what you sent me. I am just missing the worm gear that mounts on the cone clutch. I wanted to be sure I understood what parts you had left. Thanks, Joe On 12/26/21 3:18 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育Yes Dan ? ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DanLins ? Dennis, is it OK if I put these drawings in our files
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
I suspect they may have been intentionally removed. Perhaps the machine was "surplus " at the shop where the previous owner worked. By the way. I made a first cut a few minutes ago. Nice and quiet.? I do need to properly grind some cutters.? ?The attached photo is of the first cut using a bit I found lying around. On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 6:28 PM Glen Funk via <funkeglen=[email protected]> wrote: No numbers on the very end of the bed? |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
That would be perfect.? John Molburg On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 5:28 PM Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote: I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育This is a picture of the nose protector on a lathe but before I had them black oxide coated. ?John also note the oil cup for the spindle bearing.? This is what yours would lave originally looked like.? The little cap with the flutes around the edge lifts off and there is a wire attached to the inside of the cap that hangs down into the fill tube that has a circle shape to it so it can’t come out but unfortunately they did. Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis
Turk ? I also have a box full of spindle nose thread protectors if anyone wants on.? Usually ask $25 and shipping but if anyone wants on you can have one for $20.? Should ship in a small flat rate box that’s less than 10 bucks. The first picture is of an original and the second black oxide one is the ones I made. ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis
Turk ? Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen
Linscheid ? I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育I also have a box full of spindle nose thread protectors if anyone wants on.? Usually ask $25 and shipping but if anyone wants on you can have one for $20.? Should ship in a small flat rate box that’s less than 10 bucks. The first picture is of an original and the second black oxide one is the ones I made. ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis
Turk ? Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen
Linscheid ? I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育I see I can open them and I can enlarge them so you guys should be able to also.? Not sure you will be able to print the files or not.? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis
Turk ? Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis ? From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton ? I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen
Linscheid ? I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. (DIAL) Main Body.pdf
(DIAL) Main Body.pdf
DIAL PART 1.pdf
DIAL PART 1.pdf
Mnt Bolt.pdf
Mnt Bolt.pdf
DIAL lathe.pdf
DIAL lathe.pdf
DIAL PART 2.pdf
DIAL PART 2.pdf
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育Hi Glen.? I tried printing them? out but somehow my printer does not like the file or I need a fresh black cartridge.? I think I have a full C size set of drawings down at Florence will check the next time I’m? down there. ?If my damn email would work I could just send the files to you. ?Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen
Linscheid ? I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black. |
Re: Getting back to my Dalton
开云体育John as your lathe has a 12 pitch threading lead screw it requires a 48 tooth gear to work correctly. It will work with other tooth numbers but only at one position on the rotation of the dial face and then only with a 24 or 32 tooth.? If you don’t have a copy go on eBay and see if you can find a copy of South Bends How to Run a Lathe.? It will have a ton of info you can use. Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Molburg ? When I got it I had visions of a shiny jet black finish, but decided to leave it original.? As long as it stays a little oily, the unfinished parts won't rust. Yes, the headstock,? tailstock, and bed reveal no wear to my amateur eyes, so I? am ready to give it some work to perform. I do have change gears, so I will fit it with a threading dial.? I saw someone is selling 3d printed thread dials for some Dalton, but they fit a 3/4 10 lead screw. ? By the way, I found the carriage lock as you pointed it out.? Mine seems to hold snuggly, but I did not test it under load.? ? Thanks for your help.? John ? On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 1:44 PM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
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