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Re: Getting back to my Dalton

Glen Linscheid
 

" if you make some, I’ll take one for sure."
?Thanks for the encouragement Glenn.


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 5:41 PM glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
Glen,? Re threading dual:? if you make some, I’ll take one for sure.

Glenn Brooks






Re: Thread dial

 

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This is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock gear that was made of brass and was very thin. ?So on these three early models the width of the gear is not important at all.

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In the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?

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Remember that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape takes care of the angle.

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Including a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.

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On last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.

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Dennis

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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Thread dial

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I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.

The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.? They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may not even be useable.

That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.

Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.

P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??



You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the shaft slightly from vertical.

I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them available, that's definitely the way to go.??

But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch, even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.

Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.

Just food for thought...


Thread dial

 

I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.

The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.? They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may not even be useable.

That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.

Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.

P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??



You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the shaft slightly from vertical.

I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them available, that's definitely the way to go.??

But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch, even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.

Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit better.? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.

Just food for thought...


Re: Dalton 6" Type B-6 Metal Lathe Thread Threading Dial 3/4" x 10 TPI Lea – Farm Boy Sales

 

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Problem is there was no Daltons built with that size lead screw.?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Molburg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 6:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Dalton 6" Type B-6 Metal Lathe Thread Threading Dial 3/4" x 10 TPI Lea – Farm Boy Sales

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Hi Joe

I shipped the guy the worm gear with clutch shaft and knob I may still have the worm and its mounting casting.? Will have to take a look tomorrow. I also sold this guy the cone pulley with the back gear but our wonderful UPS lost it for use and was not interested in finding it only paying me for it. Bastards you know how rare Dalton 9 parts are.? Grrrrrrrr? I do have another Dalton 9 but it’s not going to be parted out. It’s the only 36 inch bed model I believe and its complete with a lever operated collet closer.? That makes two lever operated collet closers we have found. Ralph Feron in Chicago has one of a Dalton 4 or 5 and I have this one for a Dalton 9 though it would work on a Lot 6 also.? Dennis

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Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 5:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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Dennis:

I may be the fellow you sent the clutch to. From what you said I thought that you may have had a complete apron besides what you sent me. I am just missing the worm gear that mounts on the cone clutch. I wanted to be sure I understood what parts you had left.

Thanks,

Joe

On 12/26/21 3:18 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:

Hi Joe

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Sorry I did not get your private mails.? It’s hte craps for sure.? As to the Dalton 9 yes I have some parts left.? The apron was missing the screw in bushing and hand wheel and the hand wheel pinion shaft gear setup when I got the lathe.? I have since also provided the clutch assembly to another Dalton member that his was missing from his apron.? So I have the casting and maybe a few other bits for it but for the most part its mostly gone.? I do have the head stock and tail stock complete in nice shape.? The lathe was given to me by a fellow up in Northern Washington state and showed all the signs of being used by a farmer who knew nothing about lathes.? The bed had a notch ground in it to be able to swing something very large in the lathe.? It also has an? over head drive but damaged and not complete.? The parts I do have of the overhead drive are good usable parts.? Dennis.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grey Pilgrim via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis?

On Dec 26, 2021, at 11:42 AM, j_dubya_martin via <j_dubya_martin@...> wrote:

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Dennis:

I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here.

I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it. Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let me know if we can work something out.

Thanks,

Joe

On 12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:

Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the Atlas horizontal mill Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.?

???

Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot 6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.??? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ??? Dennis.?

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From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?Laddie via?
Sent:?Monday, December 20, 2021 7:32 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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Dennis,

Your selling your restored lathes?

Laddie


On Dec 19, 2021, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis

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From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?Dennis Turk
Sent:?Sunday, December 19, 2021 8:57 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis

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From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?chrisser via?
Sent:?Sunday, December 19, 2021 6:32 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?

You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over???? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.

I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.??? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.

The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.??? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???

I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.??? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the covers.?

<Copy of Pictures to send to Tony 022.jpg>

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DanLins <linscheid.dan@...> added folder /Threading Dial dwgs - Dennis Turk


Dalton 6" Type B-6 Metal Lathe Thread Threading Dial 3/4" x 10 TPI Lea – Farm Boy Sales

 

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Dennis:

I may be the fellow you sent the clutch to. From what you said I thought that you may have had a complete apron besides what you sent me. I am just missing the worm gear that mounts on the cone clutch. I wanted to be sure I understood what parts you had left.

Thanks,

Joe

On 12/26/21 3:18 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:

Hi Joe

?

Sorry I did not get your private mails.? It’s hte craps for sure.? As to the Dalton 9 yes I have some parts left.? The apron was missing the screw in bushing and hand wheel and the hand wheel pinion shaft gear setup when I got the lathe.? I have since also provided the clutch assembly to another Dalton member that his was missing from his apron.? So I have the casting and maybe a few other bits for it but for the most part its mostly gone.? I do have the head stock and tail stock complete in nice shape.? The lathe was given to me by a fellow up in Northern Washington state and showed all the signs of being used by a farmer who knew nothing about lathes.? The bed had a notch ground in it to be able to swing something very large in the lathe.? It also has an? over head drive but damaged and not complete.? The parts I do have of the overhead drive are good usable parts.? Dennis.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grey Pilgrim via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

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yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis?

On Dec 26, 2021, at 11:42 AM, j_dubya_martin via <j_dubya_martin@...> wrote:

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Dennis:

I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here.

I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it. Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let me know if we can work something out.

Thanks,

Joe

On 12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:

Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the Atlas horizontal mill Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.?

???

Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot 6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.??? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ??? Dennis.?

???

From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?Laddie via?
Sent:?Monday, December 20, 2021 7:32 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

???

Dennis,

Your selling your restored lathes?

Laddie


On Dec 19, 2021, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis

???

From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?Dennis Turk
Sent:?Sunday, December 19, 2021 8:57 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

???

This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis

???

From:?[email protected]?[mailto:[email protected]]?On Behalf Of?chrisser via?
Sent:?Sunday, December 19, 2021 6:32 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone

???

By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?

You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over???? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.

I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.??? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.

The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.??? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???

I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.??? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the covers.?

<Copy of Pictures to send to Tony 022.jpg>

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Re: Getting back to my Dalton

 

Glen, Re threading dual: if you make some, I’ll take one for sure.

Glenn Brooks


Re: Getting back to my Dalton

 

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Yes Dan

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DanLins
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Dennis, is it OK if I put these drawings in our files section?

Dan


Re: Getting back to my Dalton

 

I suspect they may have been intentionally removed. Perhaps the machine was "surplus " at the shop where the previous owner worked.

By the way. I made a first cut a few minutes ago. Nice and quiet.? I do need to properly grind some cutters.? ?The attached photo is of the first cut using a bit I found lying around.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 6:28 PM Glen Funk via <funkeglen=[email protected]> wrote:
No numbers on the very end of the bed?






Re: Getting back to my Dalton

 

That would be perfect.?

John Molburg

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 5:28 PM Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote:
I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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No numbers on the very end of the bed?


Re: Getting back to my Dalton

 

Dennis, is it OK if I put these drawings in our files section?

Dan


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This is a picture of the nose protector on a lathe but before I had them black oxide coated. ?John also note the oil cup for the spindle bearing.? This is what yours would lave originally looked like.? The little cap with the flutes around the edge lifts off and there is a wire attached to the inside of the cap that hangs down into the fill tube that has a circle shape to it so it can’t come out but unfortunately they did. Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I also have a box full of spindle nose thread protectors if anyone wants on.? Usually ask $25 and shipping but if anyone wants on you can have one for $20.? Should ship in a small flat rate box that’s less than 10 bucks. The first picture is of an original and the second black oxide one is the ones I made.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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I also have a box full of spindle nose thread protectors if anyone wants on.? Usually ask $25 and shipping but if anyone wants on you can have one for $20.? Should ship in a small flat rate box that’s less than 10 bucks. The first picture is of an original and the second black oxide one is the ones I made.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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I see I can open them and I can enlarge them so you guys should be able to also.? Not sure you will be able to print the files or not.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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Glen see if you can open these files.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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Hi Glen.? I tried printing them? out but somehow my printer does not like the file or I need a fresh black cartridge.? I think I have a full C size set of drawings down at Florence will check the next time I’m? down there. ?If my damn email would work I could just send the files to you. ?Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Linscheid
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.


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John as your lathe has a 12 pitch threading lead screw it requires a 48 tooth gear to work correctly. It will work with other tooth numbers but only at one position on the rotation of the dial face and then only with a 24 or 32 tooth.? If you don’t have a copy go on eBay and see if you can find a copy of South Bends How to Run a Lathe.? It will have a ton of info you can use. Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Molburg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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When I got it I had visions of a shiny jet black finish, but decided to leave it original.? As long as it stays a little oily, the unfinished parts won't rust. Yes, the headstock,? tailstock, and bed reveal no wear to my amateur eyes, so I? am ready to give it some work to perform. I do have change gears, so I will fit it with a threading dial.? I saw someone is selling 3d printed thread dials for some Dalton, but they fit a 3/4 10 lead screw.

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By the way, I found the carriage lock as you pointed it out.? Mine seems to hold snuggly, but I did not test it under load.?

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Thanks for your help.?

John

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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 1:44 PM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

John I looked at your two pictures again and blew them up so I could see a lot of detail.? You lathe appears to be in original Japanning finish and must say in remarkable condition.? It’s obviously not been allowed any sun light as sun light or rather UV light destroys japanning.? The only damage I see is a small corner of the T slot in the cross slide is shipped.? The only other thing I notice is the oil cups for the spindle bearings have been changed.? Dalton never used flip top cap oil cups but rather a different brand that had a cap that lifted off the oil tube and was secured with a wire bail that hung down into the oil tub.? These were prone to losing their cap so many were changed to what you have on your lathe.? Fact I have also done the same thing.? I agree this lathe? has seen little use.? Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Molburg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 10:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Aha! That works.? It does also serve as a carriage lock when the gear train is in neutral.? ?I don't think this machine has seen much use.? I bought it some years ago from a fellow who now occupied what was his great uncle's house. The great uncle was a machinist and his Gerstner chest and other items came with the lathe, which was clamped to a crude bench. Obviously it was his home shop and nothing in the collection suggested any use after about 1950.

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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 12:09 PM Dennis Turk <dennisturk2@...> wrote:

John the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half nut lever on the right is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it will engage the cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the apron. Here is a picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the worm that is driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear that the cone clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is another gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Molburg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 9:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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By-the-way, given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume that it has power longitudinal feed driven by the keyway rather than the half nut.? How is that engaged as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a carriage lock knob.?

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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 10:38 AM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@frontiercom> wrote:

Good Morning John

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OK you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.

Dennis

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Molburg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 6:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Getting back to my Dalton

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Hello Group,

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It is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw.

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Many Thanks,

John Molburg

Valparaiso,? IN