Re: Getting back to my Dalton
I spoke with Dennis today about getting his drawings for the thread dials, if I make them I'll probably make 30. I'm thinking of having them powder coated black.
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
When I got it I had visions of a shiny jet black finish, but decided to leave it original.? As long as it stays a little oily, the unfinished parts won't rust. Yes, the headstock,? tailstock, and bed reveal no wear to my amateur eyes, so I? am ready to give it some work to perform. I do have change gears, so I will fit it with a threading dial.? I saw someone is selling 3d printed thread dials for some Dalton, but they fit a 3/4 10 lead screw.
By the way, I found the carriage lock as you pointed it out.? Mine seems to hold snuggly, but I did not test it under load.?
Thanks for your help.? John
John I looked at your two pictures again and blew them up so I
could see a lot of detail.? You lathe appears to be in original Japanning
finish and must say in remarkable condition.? It’s obviously not been allowed any
sun light as sun light or rather UV light destroys japanning.? The only damage
I see is a small corner of the T slot in the cross slide is shipped.? The only
other thing I notice is the oil cups for the spindle bearings have been
changed.? Dalton never used flip top cap oil cups but rather a different brand
that had a cap that lifted off the oil tube and was secured with a wire bail
that hung down into the oil tub.? These were prone to losing their cap so many
were changed to what you have on your lathe.? Fact I have also done the same
thing.? I agree this lathe? has seen little use.? Dennis
?
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Aha! That works.? It does also serve as a carriage lock
when the gear train is in neutral.? ?I don't think this machine has
seen much use.? I bought it some years ago from a fellow who now occupied
what was his great uncle's house. The great uncle was a machinist and his
Gerstner chest and other items came with the lathe, which was clamped to a
crude bench. Obviously it was his home shop and nothing in the collection
suggested any use after about 1950.
?
John
the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half nut lever on the right
is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it will engage the
cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the apron. Here is a
picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the worm that is
driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear that the cone
clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is another
gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis
?
?
By-the-way,
given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume that it has power longitudinal
feed driven by the keyway rather than the half nut.? How is that engaged
as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a carriage lock knob.?
?
Good
Morning John
?
OK
you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and
drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello
Group,
It
is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis
in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify
the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also,
are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is a 12
tpi lead screw.
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
John I looked at your two pictures again and blew them up so I
could see a lot of detail.? You lathe appears to be in original Japanning
finish and must say in remarkable condition.? It’s obviously not been allowed any
sun light as sun light or rather UV light destroys japanning. ?The only damage
I see is a small corner of the T slot in the cross slide is shipped.? The only
other thing I notice is the oil cups for the spindle bearings have been
changed.? Dalton never used flip top cap oil cups but rather a different brand
that had a cap that lifted off the oil tube and was secured with a wire bail
that hung down into the oil tub.? These were prone to losing their cap so many
were changed to what you have on your lathe.? Fact I have also done the same
thing.? I agree this lathe? has seen little use.? Dennis
?
?
Aha! That works.? It does also serve as a carriage lock
when the gear train is in neutral.? ?I don't think this machine has
seen much use.? I bought it some years ago from a fellow who now occupied
what was his great uncle's house. The great uncle was a machinist and his
Gerstner chest and other items came with the lathe, which was clamped to a
crude bench. Obviously it was his home shop and nothing in the collection
suggested any use after about 1950.
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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 12:09 PM Dennis Turk < dennisturk2@...> wrote:
John
the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half nut lever on the right
is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it will engage the
cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the apron. Here is a
picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the worm that is
driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear that the cone
clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is another
gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis
?
?
By-the-way,
given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume that it has power longitudinal
feed driven by the keyway rather than the half nut.? How is that engaged
as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a carriage lock knob.?
?
Good
Morning John
?
OK
you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and
drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello
Group,
It
is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis
in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify
the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also,
are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is a 12
tpi lead screw.
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Re: Getting back to my Dalton
John the carriage lock is located on the right rear saddle
wing.? It’s the square head bolt.? It’s not very affective unless a?
modification is made to the clamp plate under the rear of the saddle.? If you
want to do this I can show you how.? Dennis
?
?
?
Aha! That works.? It does also serve as a carriage lock
when the gear train is in neutral.? ?I don't think this machine has
seen much use.? I bought it some years ago from a fellow who now occupied
what was his great uncle's house. The great uncle was a machinist and his
Gerstner chest and other items came with the lathe, which was clamped to a
crude bench. Obviously it was his home shop and nothing in the collection
suggested any use after about 1950.
?
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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 12:09 PM Dennis Turk < dennisturk2@...> wrote:
John
the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half nut lever on the right
is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it will engage the
cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the apron. Here is a
picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the worm that is
driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear that the cone
clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is another
gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis
?
?
By-the-way,
given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume that it has power longitudinal
feed driven by the keyway rather than the half nut.? How is that engaged
as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a carriage lock knob.?
?
Good
Morning John
?
OK
you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and
drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello
Group,
It
is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis
in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify
the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.?
Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is
a 12 tpi lead screw.
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Aha! That works.? It does also serve as a carriage lock when the gear train is in neutral.? ?I don't think this machine has seen much use.? I bought it some years ago from a fellow who now occupied what was his great uncle's house. The great uncle was a machinist and his Gerstner chest and other items came with the lathe, which was clamped to a crude bench. Obviously it was his home shop and nothing in the collection suggested any use after about 1950.
John the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half
nut lever on the right is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it
will engage the cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the
apron. Here is a picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the
worm that is driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear
that the cone clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is
another gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis
?
?
By-the-way, given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume
that it has power longitudinal feed driven by the keyway rather than the half
nut.? How is that engaged as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a
carriage lock knob.?
?
Good
Morning John
?
OK
you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and
drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello
Group,
It
is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis
in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify
the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.?
Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is
a 12 tpi lead screw.
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John the knob between the hand wheel on the left and the half
nut lever on the right is your power feed control.? You tighten the knob and it
will engage the cone clutch on the worm gear drive on the back side of the
apron. Here is a picture of the back side of your apron John.? This shows the
worm that is driven by the keyway in the lead screw that drives the worm gear
that the cone clutch is in.? You can’t see it but behind the large worm gear is
another gear that engages the saddle longitudinal feed. Dennis
?
?
By-the-way, given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume
that it has power longitudinal feed driven by the keyway rather than the half
nut.? How is that engaged as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a
carriage lock knob.?
?
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Good
Morning John
?
OK
you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left is gears and
drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello
Group,
It
is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis
in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify
the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.?
Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is
a 12 tpi lead screw.
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By-the-way, given that the lead screw has a keyway, I assume that it has power longitudinal feed driven by the keyway rather than the half nut.? How is that engaged as all the apron has is the half nut lever and a carriage lock knob.?
Good Morning John
?
OK you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left
is gears and drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello Group,
It is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a
photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that
correspondence.? Please I identify the lot number for me.? There are
no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also, are there any thread dials or at least
gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw.
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Thanks Dennis.? If you send me a price and address,? I will get an order off to you.? Just to keep clutter down on the group exchange, you can send that to jcmolburg@....?
Much appreciated.? John
Good Morning John
?
OK you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left
is gears and drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello Group,
It is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a
photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that
correspondence.? Please I identify the lot number for me.? There are
no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also, are there any thread dials or at least
gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw.
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Good Morning John
?
OK you have a Lot 5 machine.? As to thread dials all I have left
is gears and drawings.? Nice looking old girl John.
Dennis
?
?
Hello Group,
It is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a
photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that
correspondence.? Please I identify the lot number for me.? There are
no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also, are there any thread dials or at least
gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw.
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Getting back to my Dalton
Hello Group,
It is time to get back to this Dalton.? I? sent a photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence.? Please I identify the lot number for me.? There are no numbers on the end of the bed.? Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw.
Many Thanks, John Molburg Valparaiso,? IN
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Well if you ever want to sell that Barbertown I guarantee I'll do a good job restoring it, IF it even needs it!
Hi Glen.? Well yes your email did come through to me down in
Florence but I could tell my response back to you did not go.? Your one of the
very fee emails I get.? Think I get one from Dan also? but can’t respond back.?
Glen the Barberstown shaper and the Boynton and Plumber? shaper is all I have
left.? Sold both Atlas shapers the SB shaper and well as the Amco shaper.? Sold
three this year.? No lathes sold though.? Dennis
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On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:46 AM, Grey Pilgrim wrote:
"yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis.? None of my
private emails to him ever go thru."
Wow, that's why Dennis isn't answering my emails! DEnnis, I was hoping to buy
that Barbertown shaper from you. Oh well, I probably will live longer without
it, the wife is growing long claws lately. How about the planer?
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Hi Glen.? Well yes your email did come through to me down in
Florence but I could tell my response back to you did not go.? Your one of the
very fee emails I get.? Think I get one from Dan also? but can’t respond back.?
Glen the Barberstown shaper and the Boynton and Plumber? shaper is all I have
left.? Sold both Atlas shapers the SB shaper and well as the Amco shaper.? Sold
three this year.? No lathes sold though.? Dennis
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"yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my
private emails to him ever go thru."
Wow, that's why Dennis isn't answering my emails! DEnnis, I was hoping to buy
that Barbertown shaper from you. Oh well, I probably will live longer without
it, the wife is growing long claws lately. How about the planer?
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Yes Glen. ?I have tried and tried to email him with no success. The only way to talk to Dennis is to make the pilgrimage and sit at the master’s feet as it were. ?I have done that a few times ?(and learned a crap ton each time). ? I saw his glorious collection of machines he pulled from ?his old business (including that gorgeous shaper). ?As is I own 4 lathes and 2 mills already. ?another would probably break my bank...?
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On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:46 AM, Grey Pilgrim wrote:
"yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.."
Wow, that's why Dennis isn't answering my emails! DEnnis, I was hoping to buy that Barbertown shaper from you. Oh well, I probably will live longer without it, the wife is growing long claws lately. How about the planer?
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On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:46 AM, Grey Pilgrim wrote:
"yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.."
Wow, that's why Dennis isn't answering my emails! DEnnis, I was hoping to buy that Barbertown shaper from you. Oh well, I probably will live longer without it, the wife is growing long claws lately. How about the planer?
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Dennis Next time I come to MacMinnville (it won’t be ?till after the 1st; ?this season tapped me out) ?I will try to contact you. ?If I can’t, you might see my disreputable face thru your door’s spy glass. ?I know you have trouble with telephones ?(I am flat deaf in my right ear myself). ?-Bart ? ? PS sorry to all Dalton fans for this interruption.
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Hi Bart Yes I could use some help.? So far all I have is a son in-law that has not been able to solve the problem I have.? For the most part it’s not my computer or my email address it’s the damn service provider here in McMinnville that is the problem. The only thing they let through to me is Dalton post and spam.? I am also not able to send an email to anyone other than this group.? You figure that one out and I will call you a genius. Dennis ? ? yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis? ? Dennis: I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here. I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it. Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let me know if we can work something out. Thanks, Joe On 12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote: Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the Atlas horizontal mill Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.? Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot 6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.??? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ??? Dennis.? Your selling your restored lathes? This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?
You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over???? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.??? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.??? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???
I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.??? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the covers.?
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Hi Bart
Yes I could use some help.? So far all I have is a son in-law that
has not been able to solve the problem I have.? For the most part it’s not my
computer or my email address it’s the damn service provider here in McMinnville
that is the problem. The only thing they let through to me is Dalton post and
spam.? I am also not able to send an email to anyone other than this group.?
You figure that one out and I will call you a genius. Dennis
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grey Pilgrim via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Hello everyone
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yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis.
?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to
bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of
Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING
email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis?
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Dennis:
I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you
have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here.
I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron
assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it. Assuming
you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let me know
if we can work something out.
Thanks,
Joe
On
12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am
getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four
shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the
Atlas horizontal mill Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new
home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count
is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42
inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out
in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored
parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.?
Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot
6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in
midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades
for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the
factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few
years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still
had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on
my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or
using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted
on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse
vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe
bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe
for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built
two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by
modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin
the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post
and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also
this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no
wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.???
All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would
have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants
to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ??? Dennis.?
Your selling your restored lathes?
This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my
company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis
This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only
it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture
you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis
By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That
is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?
You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like
I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my
pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the
originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over????
It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly
- made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the
shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.???
Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also
fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves
but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.???
I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???
I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly
intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.???
A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out
OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it
would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple
of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I
first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I
inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing
skills on the covers.?
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Hi Joe
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Sorry I did not get your private mails.? It’s hte craps for
sure.? As to the Dalton 9 yes I have some parts left.? The apron was missing
the screw in bushing and hand wheel and the hand wheel pinion shaft gear setup
when I got the lathe.? I have since also provided the clutch assembly to
another Dalton member that his was missing from his apron.? So I have the
casting and maybe a few other bits for it but for the most part its mostly
gone.? I do have the head stock and tail stock complete in nice shape.? The
lathe was given to me by a fellow up in Northern Washington state and showed
all the signs of being used by a farmer who knew nothing about lathes.? The bed
had a notch ground in it to be able to swing something very large in the
lathe.? It also has an? over head drive but damaged and not complete.? The
parts I do have of the overhead drive are good usable parts.? Dennis.
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yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis.
?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to
bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of
Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING
email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis?
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Dennis:
I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you
have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here.
I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron
assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it.
Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let
me know if we can work something out.
Thanks,
Joe
On
12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am
getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four
shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the
Atlas horizontal mill Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new
home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count
is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42
inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out
in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored
parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.?
Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot
6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in
midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades
for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the
factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few
years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still
had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on
my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or
using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted
on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse
vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe
bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe
for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built
two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by
modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin
the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post
and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also
this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no
wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not
original.??? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as
they would have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case
anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ???
Dennis.?
Your selling your restored lathes?
This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my
company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis
This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only
it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture
you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis
By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That
is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?
You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like
I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my
pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the
originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over????
It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly
- made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the
shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.???
Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also
fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves
but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.???
I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???
I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly
intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.???
A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out
OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it
would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple
of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I
first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I
inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing
skills on the covers.?
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yes this group is the ONLY way I can contact Dennis. ?None of my private emails to him ever go thru.. ?Sorry gang to bother you with this. ?I wish someone more tech could head to the home of Dalton lore and set Dennis up seamlessly to a different and ACTUALLY WORKING email provider. ?Would you be open to that Dennis?
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Dennis: I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you have been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here. I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in buying it. Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember your message about it. Let me know if we can work something out. Thanks, Joe
On 12/20/21 12:07 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.??? Sold all four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the Atlas horizontal mill. Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so many.??? The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored or assembled from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.? ??? Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot 6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has wonderful upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.??? Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that told us that the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ???I used this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built two??? model stationary steam engines with it. It???s really accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The lathe has a modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ???Also this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.??? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would have been when new.??? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ??? Dennis.? ??? ??? Your selling your restored lathes? This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.??? Dennis ??? ??? This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.??? In the picture you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis ??? ??? By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post???? That is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?
You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.??? Kinda looks from my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.??? Were the originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over???? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice??? looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.??? It's darned ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears some bits supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.??? I suppose it worked well enough.??? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.??? Everything moves but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.??? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.???
I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the hinged one is mostly intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.??? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple of chunks.??? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I first thought.??? ???I assume those would be cast iron???? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the covers.?
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Dennis:
I sent you an email privately some time ago and I know you have
been having trouble getting those, so I am trying here.
I believe you indicated to me that you had a Dalton 9 apron
assembly, and perhaps some other parts, and I am interested in
buying it. Assuming you still have it and I correctly remember
your message about it. Let me know if we can work something out.
Thanks,
Joe
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Yes
Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am
getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good
home.??? Sold all
four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the
Atlas lathes and
the Atlas horizontal mill. Still have over 30 machines that
need to find a new
home.??? Gad can???t figure how I collected and restored so
many.???
The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last
summer I finished up
a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan
and he and his
wife came out in July to pick it up.??? So far I have restored
or assembled
from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.
???
Probably
the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot
6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know
of as it was sold in
midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.??? That lathe has
wonderful
upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought
that it was something
the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial
rings suck.???
Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial
number than mine and
it still had the original little dial rings on it.??? So that
told us that
the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have
known it by
looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped
lathe I have as
well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip
tray. It also has an Australian
Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot
on the back of the
lathe bed.??? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be
there. ???I used
this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at
the Oregon coast
and I built two??? model stationary steam engines with it.
It???s really
accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.??? With drip feed
oilers for
the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ???The
lathe has a
modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that
have really nice
insert tooling in them. ???Also this lathe has a really neat
shop made cam
lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock
it down. This
lathe was never displayed as it was not original.??? All the
lathes or
shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would
have been when new.???
This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to
make a trip to
Oregon to pick it upJ???
Dennis.
???
???
Your selling your restored lathes?
This
is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at
my
company.??? Company sold antique machines on display now
for sale.???
Dennis
???
???
This
is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours
only
it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long
bed.??? In the
picture you can see the cross slide extension.??? Dennis
???
???
By cross slide extension, do you mean
the tool post????
That is in one of the pics - or is there something else
missing?
You have a good eye.??? I hadn't noticed the feet even
though it seems like
I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.???
Kinda looks from
my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a
closer look.???
Were the originals cast iron???? Maybe they cracked off when
the lathe fell
over???? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice???
looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some
point.??? It's darned
ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.??? It appears
some bits
supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.??? I
suppose it worked
well enough.??? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to
sound like when it
fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.???
Everything moves
but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts
with all the
crud.??? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted
solid.???
I took a closer look at the side covers.??? I think the
hinged one is mostly
intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on
the upper
cover.??? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair
and I think it
will come out OK.??? The small upper cover on the end of the
spindle shaft
also seems like it would look a lot better with the
repairs dressed although
it's missing a couple of chunks.??? But I don't think it was
reassembled
crooked or anything as I first thought.??? ???I assume those
would be
cast iron???? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene
torches so it
might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the
covers.
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Well? least one of is strange-----------BartJ ? ? ? Laddie I have visited the Wonderland of Dennis Turk; seen his shop and his lathes and machines. ?Had some wonderful conversations with the “Master of Dalton”. ?Last visit, if only I had a flat bed trailer with me I would have gone home with a wonderful prize. ?Dennis is a wealth of knowledge and just a fun guy to chat with. ?I recall running into him and his buddy Rat Shooter at a gun show lunch room once waiting for my burger. ?We talked of a mutual love of things that go bang. ?Anyway ?Welcome to the wacky world of Dalton Lathes. ?We are a strange bunch indeed :) -Bart ? Yes Laddie there is no place to display them any longer and I am getting on in age so these machines need to go to a good home.? Sold all four shapers so far the SB Drill Press as well as one of the Atlas lathes and the Atlas horizontal mill. Still have over 30 machines that need to find a new home.? Gad can’t figure how I collected and restored so many.? The count is actually over sixty machines since 1998. Last summer I finished up a 9 by 42 inch South Bend for a good friend back in Michigan and he and his wife came out in July to pick it up.? So far I have restored or assembled from restored parts six SB lathes I gave to friends.? Probably the best Dalton I have for a home shop lathe is the Lot 6 serial number 7014 The next to the newest Dalton we know of as it was sold in midsummer of 1929 in Seattle Washington.? That lathe has wonderful upgrades for the dial rings and for a long time we thought that it was something the factory was starting to do as we all know Dalton dial rings suck.? Then a few years ago a Lot 6 showed up with a newer serial number than mine and it still had the original little dial rings on it.? So that told us that the ones on my lathe were shop made but you would never have known it by looking at them or using them The lathe is the best equipped lathe I have as well as being mounted on a custom stand and custom chip tray. It also has an Australian Hercuse vertical countershaft that is bolted to the Tee slot on the back of the lathe bed.? Fit perfectly just like it was meant to be there. ?I used this lathe for a couple of years in my little shop I have at the Oregon coast and I built two? model stationary steam engines with it. It’s really accurate but by modern standards a bit slow.? With drip feed oilers for the head stock I spin the lathe a bit over 1000 rpm. ?The lathe has a modern quick change tool post and a bunch of holders that have really nice insert tooling in them. ?Also this lathe has a really neat shop made cam lock setup for the tail stock so no wrench is needed to lock it down. This lathe was never displayed as it was not original.? All the lathes or shapers I displayed were all factory correct as they would have been when new.? This is some pictures of that lathe in case anyone wants to make a trip to Oregon to pick it upJ? Dennis.? Your selling your restored lathes? This is what this lathe looks like when it was on display at my company.? Company sold antique machines on display now for sale.? Dennis This is a picture of serial number 276 a Lot 5 like yours only it has the overhead drive floor legs and a 36 inch long bed.? In the picture you can see the cross slide extension.? Dennis By cross slide extension, do you mean the tool post?? That is in one of the pics - or is there something else missing?
You have a good eye.? I hadn't noticed the feet even though it seems like I've looked at a couple hundred Dalton pictures lately.? Kinda looks from my pics like they were welded on - I will have to take a closer look.? Were the originals cast iron?? Maybe they cracked off when the lathe fell over?? It's a shame - the originals were pretty nice? looking.
I plan on redoing the countershaft assembly at some point.? It's darned ugly - made out of highly pitted angle iron.? It appears some bits supporting the shaft were lopped off the original.? I suppose it worked well enough.? Maybe it was also damaged - starting to sound like when it fell over, it also fell down a flight of stairs.
The spindle doesn't have any play in it that I can feel.? Everything moves but I'm reluctant to do any serious moving of the parts with all the crud.? I'm fortunate that nothing appears to be rusted solid.?
I took a closer look at the side covers.? I think the hinged one is mostly intact and just needs alignment to mate up to the latch on the upper cover.? A little careful filing of the braze/weld repair and I think it will come out OK.? The small upper cover on the end of the spindle shaft also seems like it would look a lot better with the repairs dressed although it's missing a couple of chunks.? But I don't think it was reassembled crooked or anything as I first thought.? ?I assume those would be cast iron?? After Dad passed, I inherited his acetylene torches so it might be time to polish up my brazing skills on the covers.?
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