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Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Hello Dennis?
Terry here from St.Pete Florida --Beautiful job you did on that SB. My Dalton is still purring away and always doing something with it every day greatest thing since sliced bread---have not installed the pully system yet that I got from you awhile back but will get to it I hope soon--- Have a question about Vertical Mills--- I am looking for a small one ( Older Style like 1940's to 1960's maybe) was there anything small made back then that I could look for ? Will most likely be just Milling brass/copper/Alu./Mild Steel.? As I said? ? ? " Small " since my 1925 garage is not that big and since I retired throwing things out but every time I go in my garage I see no difference LOL . Hope you can give me some ideas .
Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Hi John? The guy is suppose to get back to me after the holiday.? He is a young fellow in his 20's I think.? Soon as I get more information I will post it up.? Oh and if any of you guys seen the Dalton that is on eBay right now that's one of my lathes.? I built that lathe for a good friend in Glen Spay NY Dave Kirk.? I also built him a really nice SB and took it back to him in 08.? After getting the SB he really did not use the Dalton any longer and I? sent him a little BB-4 Harding horizontal mill a few years ago and he needed the room in his little shop so the Dalton went to? a collector who instantly put it up for sale.? He gave Dave $500 for the lathe and has it on eBay for $2000.? I wish him luck with that sale.? Dave is into clocks and does a lot of rebuilding of old grand father type of clocks so the little mill and the SB are very handy for him.? I also sent him a little jewelers lathe a couple of years ago and it took over the work the Dalton had been doing.? Dave has picked up crated and shipped no less than five lathes and two vintage go karts for me.? Here is a picture of the SB I built Dave.? ?Dennis

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 03:19:00 PM PST, John Hinton via groups.io <johnhinton66@...> wrote:


I've restored one. Happy to do another, especially one this rare!
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 03:32:48 PM EST, Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:


Offer the owner one of the other make lathes in your storage. Emphasize possible parts availability?

Herb

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Oldest Dalton has been found.
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Hi guys.? On? one of the Face book? user groups a guy came up with some pictures of a Dalton.? Turns out its a Lot 2 serial number 4.? That makes it the oldest Dalton known? of.? Its a much modified lathe unfortunately.? Riser blocks have been put under the head stock and tail stock to make it a 9 inch lathe rather than the 6 inch it started out in life as.? It also has? a Lot 4 end door cross slide and compound slide.? Funny thing is its still in all its original finish.? I will try and steal pictures of Facebook and post them if I can.? Also the lathe is so early that its has its lot and serial number stamped on the front bed way not the rear and is also stamped Lot 1 so this makes it a lathe that started out as the very first ones built and then Dalton must have decided to call the combination machine Lot 1 and the first little 6 inch lathe Lot 2.? I would love to have gotten my hands on this little lathe unfortunately its in the hands of a rank beginner and he is only interested in making parts with it and has no intentions of restoring it or bringing it back to its original condition.?

Dennis

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Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

I've restored one. Happy to do another, especially one this rare!
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 03:32:48 PM EST, Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:


Offer the owner one of the other make lathes in your storage. Emphasize possible parts availability?

Herb

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Oldest Dalton has been found.
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Hi guys.? On? one of the Face book? user groups a guy came up with some pictures of a Dalton.? Turns out its a Lot 2 serial number 4.? That makes it the oldest Dalton known? of.? Its a much modified lathe unfortunately.? Riser blocks have been put under the head stock and tail stock to make it a 9 inch lathe rather than the 6 inch it started out in life as.? It also has? a Lot 4 end door cross slide and compound slide.? Funny thing is its still in all its original finish.? I will try and steal pictures of Facebook and post them if I can.? Also the lathe is so early that its has its lot and serial number stamped on the front bed way not the rear and is also stamped Lot 1 so this makes it a lathe that started out as the very first ones built and then Dalton must have decided to call the combination machine Lot 1 and the first little 6 inch lathe Lot 2.? I would love to have gotten my hands on this little lathe unfortunately its in the hands of a rank beginner and he is only interested in making parts with it and has no intentions of restoring it or bringing it back to its original condition.?

Dennis
Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Is the owner in the CT / NY area? Happy to chat with the guy in an effort to rescue / restore this rare bird.


On Friday, January 1, 2021, 03:32:48 PM EST, Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:


Offer the owner one of the other make lathes in your storage. Emphasize possible parts availability?

Herb

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Oldest Dalton has been found.
?
Hi guys.? On? one of the Face book? user groups a guy came up with some pictures of a Dalton.? Turns out its a Lot 2 serial number 4.? That makes it the oldest Dalton known? of.? Its a much modified lathe unfortunately.? Riser blocks have been put under the head stock and tail stock to make it a 9 inch lathe rather than the 6 inch it started out in life as.? It also has? a Lot 4 end door cross slide and compound slide.? Funny thing is its still in all its original finish.? I will try and steal pictures of Facebook and post them if I can.? Also the lathe is so early that its has its lot and serial number stamped on the front bed way not the rear and is also stamped Lot 1 so this makes it a lathe that started out as the very first ones built and then Dalton must have decided to call the combination machine Lot 1 and the first little 6 inch lathe Lot 2.? I would love to have gotten my hands on this little lathe unfortunately its in the hands of a rank beginner and he is only interested in making parts with it and has no intentions of restoring it or bringing it back to its original condition.?

Dennis
Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

Herb Kephart
 

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Offer the owner one of the other make lathes in your storage. Emphasize possible parts availability?

Herb

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [DaltonLathes] Oldest Dalton has been found.
?
Hi guys.? On? one of the Face book? user groups a guy came up with some pictures of a Dalton.? Turns out its a Lot 2 serial number 4.? That makes it the oldest Dalton known? of.? Its a much modified lathe unfortunately.? Riser blocks have been put under the head stock and tail stock to make it a 9 inch lathe rather than the 6 inch it started out in life as.? It also has? a Lot 4 end door cross slide and compound slide.? Funny thing is its still in all its original finish.? I will try and steal pictures of Facebook and post them if I can.? Also the lathe is so early that its has its lot and serial number stamped on the front bed way not the rear and is also stamped Lot 1 so this makes it a lathe that started out as the very first ones built and then Dalton must have decided to call the combination machine Lot 1 and the first little 6 inch lathe Lot 2.? I would love to have gotten my hands on this little lathe unfortunately its in the hands of a rank beginner and he is only interested in making parts with it and has no intentions of restoring it or bringing it back to its original condition.?

Dennis

Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

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The gear retainers are called threadless nuts. These were Hubert Daltons first lathe patent. Every lathe built uses these to hold gears on. ?The ones you made are very close to originally. Check out the pictures I posted of the serial number 4 as it has all its original threadless nuts. ?
Dennis?


On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:

Are these gear retainers used on regular Dalton lathes? I'm wondering what the original pins looked like. There was one retainer and no pins on my Combination machine so I made a temporary one out of aluminum.

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Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Need to let you guys know that I don't or cant do any restoration work any longer.? I am a full time care giver for my wife now and this leaves me little time for any big projects.? With the virus crap we have been spending most of our time at or Oregon coast home were its a lot safer than our main home were my restoration work was done.? To many people and two many idiots.? I do have a small machine shop at the coast home and as its in the attached garage I have some projects going on there.? These are mostly model work or model steam engines and also have a hobby room were I have built some RC model boats.? I am active on several user group sites were I can help others that are actively repairing or restoring small machines. I? must admit at 80 years old I am not up to any large projects any longer.? Mostly I need to concentrate on finishing projects already started and not take on any new ones:-)? Dennis

On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 07:35:37 AM PST, John Hinton via groups.io <johnhinton66@...> wrote:


So what does he want? Everybody has their price.

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 9:02:01 PM EST, Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote:


That was what I was offering Robert, a way to get it, but if he paid $50 for it that's not gonna work. The gears alone are worth many times that.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM robert spaeth via <robertsmachine=[email protected]> wrote:
Dennis,
Offer the guy a running SB or Logan that he can abuse and make parts with. so you can add
that Dalton to your collection. It needs to be saved and restored and you are Da man.
bob

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:43:40 PM EST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Pictures I did a bit of work on that I stole from Facebook.? As you can see by the end gears they are in really great shape.? Also the lathe is in original finish though very dirty and has some rust to be taken care of.? I will be working with the owner to help him bring this lathe back to usefulness. If you look you can see the riser blocks under the head stock and tail stock. As near? as I can tell the saddle and apron and all of the bed head stock and tails stock are original to the Lot 2.? The end door cross slide and compound slide are from a Lot 4.? The end door has the patent tag on it with the 1916 date so these parts are from a much later lathe.? Also not the original oil cup covers on the spindle bearings.? Its to bad that the original parts did not come with the lathe.? It was found at an estate sale and purchased I think he said for $50.? If you look at the screw in bushing that holds the cross slide lead screw you can see that a flat has been machined on the top of the original bushing so the Lot 4 cross slide will clear it. Behind the lathe you can see part of the original overhead countershaft that has been setup as a horizontal unit.? The bearing standards and cone pulley are original to the lathe. The second picture shows the end of the front bed way with Lot 1 stamped and the letter N with a very small 0 and number 4.? I am going out on a limb here and say I don't think the spindle has ever been taken out of the head stock casting.? This lathe would have been? built in very early 1913.? Dennis

Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

So what does he want? Everybody has their price.

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 9:02:01 PM EST, Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote:


That was what I was offering Robert, a way to get it, but if he paid $50 for it that's not gonna work. The gears alone are worth many times that.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM robert spaeth via <robertsmachine=[email protected]> wrote:
Dennis,
Offer the guy a running SB or Logan that he can abuse and make parts with. so you can add
that Dalton to your collection. It needs to be saved and restored and you are Da man.
bob

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:43:40 PM EST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Pictures I did a bit of work on that I stole from Facebook.? As you can see by the end gears they are in really great shape.? Also the lathe is in original finish though very dirty and has some rust to be taken care of.? I will be working with the owner to help him bring this lathe back to usefulness. If you look you can see the riser blocks under the head stock and tail stock. As near? as I can tell the saddle and apron and all of the bed head stock and tails stock are original to the Lot 2.? The end door cross slide and compound slide are from a Lot 4.? The end door has the patent tag on it with the 1916 date so these parts are from a much later lathe.? Also not the original oil cup covers on the spindle bearings.? Its to bad that the original parts did not come with the lathe.? It was found at an estate sale and purchased I think he said for $50.? If you look at the screw in bushing that holds the cross slide lead screw you can see that a flat has been machined on the top of the original bushing so the Lot 4 cross slide will clear it. Behind the lathe you can see part of the original overhead countershaft that has been setup as a horizontal unit.? The bearing standards and cone pulley are original to the lathe. The second picture shows the end of the front bed way with Lot 1 stamped and the letter N with a very small 0 and number 4.? I am going out on a limb here and say I don't think the spindle has ever been taken out of the head stock casting.? This lathe would have been? built in very early 1913.? Dennis

Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

Are these gear retainers used on regular Dalton lathes? I'm wondering what the original pins looked like. There was one retainer and no pins on my Combination machine so I made a temporary one out of aluminum.
Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

Glen Linscheid
 

That was what I was offering Robert, a way to get it, but if he paid $50 for it that's not gonna work. The gears alone are worth many times that.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM robert spaeth via <robertsmachine=[email protected]> wrote:
Dennis,
Offer the guy a running SB or Logan that he can abuse and make parts with. so you can add
that Dalton to your collection. It needs to be saved and restored and you are Da man.
bob

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:43:40 PM EST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Pictures I did a bit of work on that I stole from Facebook.? As you can see by the end gears they are in really great shape.? Also the lathe is in original finish though very dirty and has some rust to be taken care of.? I will be working with the owner to help him bring this lathe back to usefulness. If you look you can see the riser blocks under the head stock and tail stock. As near? as I can tell the saddle and apron and all of the bed head stock and tails stock are original to the Lot 2.? The end door cross slide and compound slide are from a Lot 4.? The end door has the patent tag on it with the 1916 date so these parts are from a much later lathe.? Also not the original oil cup covers on the spindle bearings.? Its to bad that the original parts did not come with the lathe.? It was found at an estate sale and purchased I think he said for $50.? If you look at the screw in bushing that holds the cross slide lead screw you can see that a flat has been machined on the top of the original bushing so the Lot 4 cross slide will clear it. Behind the lathe you can see part of the original overhead countershaft that has been setup as a horizontal unit.? The bearing standards and cone pulley are original to the lathe. The second picture shows the end of the front bed way with Lot 1 stamped and the letter N with a very small 0 and number 4.? I am going out on a limb here and say I don't think the spindle has ever been taken out of the head stock casting.? This lathe would have been? built in very early 1913.? Dennis

Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Dennis,
Offer the guy a running SB or Logan that he can abuse and make parts with. so you can add
that Dalton to your collection. It needs to be saved and restored and you are Da man.
bob

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 08:43:40 PM EST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Pictures I did a bit of work on that I stole from Facebook.? As you can see by the end gears they are in really great shape.? Also the lathe is in original finish though very dirty and has some rust to be taken care of.? I will be working with the owner to help him bring this lathe back to usefulness. If you look you can see the riser blocks under the head stock and tail stock. As near? as I can tell the saddle and apron and all of the bed head stock and tails stock are original to the Lot 2.? The end door cross slide and compound slide are from a Lot 4.? The end door has the patent tag on it with the 1916 date so these parts are from a much later lathe.? Also not the original oil cup covers on the spindle bearings.? Its to bad that the original parts did not come with the lathe.? It was found at an estate sale and purchased I think he said for $50.? If you look at the screw in bushing that holds the cross slide lead screw you can see that a flat has been machined on the top of the original bushing so the Lot 4 cross slide will clear it. Behind the lathe you can see part of the original overhead countershaft that has been setup as a horizontal unit.? The bearing standards and cone pulley are original to the lathe. The second picture shows the end of the front bed way with Lot 1 stamped and the letter N with a very small 0 and number 4.? I am going out on a limb here and say I don't think the spindle has ever been taken out of the head stock casting.? This lathe would have been? built in very early 1913.? Dennis

Re: Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Pictures I did a bit of work on that I stole from Facebook.? As you can see by the end gears they are in really great shape.? Also the lathe is in original finish though very dirty and has some rust to be taken care of.? I will be working with the owner to help him bring this lathe back to usefulness. If you look you can see the riser blocks under the head stock and tail stock. As near? as I can tell the saddle and apron and all of the bed head stock and tails stock are original to the Lot 2.? The end door cross slide and compound slide are from a Lot 4.? The end door has the patent tag on it with the 1916 date so these parts are from a much later lathe.? Also not the original oil cup covers on the spindle bearings.? Its to bad that the original parts did not come with the lathe.? It was found at an estate sale and purchased I think he said for $50.? If you look at the screw in bushing that holds the cross slide lead screw you can see that a flat has been machined on the top of the original bushing so the Lot 4 cross slide will clear it. Behind the lathe you can see part of the original overhead countershaft that has been setup as a horizontal unit.? The bearing standards and cone pulley are original to the lathe. The second picture shows the end of the front bed way with Lot 1 stamped and the letter N with a very small 0 and number 4.? I am going out on a limb here and say I don't think the spindle has ever been taken out of the head stock casting.? This lathe would have been? built in very early 1913.? Dennis
Oldest Dalton has been found.

 

Hi guys.? On? one of the Face book? user groups a guy came up with some pictures of a Dalton.? Turns out its a Lot 2 serial number 4.? That makes it the oldest Dalton known? of.? Its a much modified lathe unfortunately.? Riser blocks have been put under the head stock and tail stock to make it a 9 inch lathe rather than the 6 inch it started out in life as.? It also has? a Lot 4 end door cross slide and compound slide.? Funny thing is its still in all its original finish.? I will try and steal pictures of Facebook and post them if I can.? Also the lathe is so early that its has its lot and serial number stamped on the front bed way not the rear and is also stamped Lot 1 so this makes it a lathe that started out as the very first ones built and then Dalton must have decided to call the combination machine Lot 1 and the first little 6 inch lathe Lot 2.? I would love to have gotten my hands on this little lathe unfortunately its in the hands of a rank beginner and he is only interested in making parts with it and has no intentions of restoring it or bringing it back to its original condition.?

Dennis
Tail stock cam lock hold down

 

I added a cam lock for my Dalton lot 4 tail stock.
Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

looking Good.


On Friday, December 18, 2020, 08:06:22 PM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:


Yes, this thing had some use. I found the problem with the knee. The screw had a 0.070" bend right at the thrust bearing. The old manual press took it out. The knee lock was missing so I'm making one based on the table lock.
Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

Yes, this thing had some use. I found the problem with the knee. The screw had a 0.070" bend right at the thrust bearing. The old manual press took it out. The knee lock was missing so I'm making one based on the table lock.
Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

Looks like someone needs a new worm gear that is also a lead screw nut.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, 03:22:21 PM PST, Grey Pilgrim <pilgrim23@...> wrote:


When finished, be SURE to post a video. ?This is industrial beauty at its finest

On Dec 16, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:

Finally got the back gears freed up and in service. Now to free up the knee screw and look at the table power feed. More pictures of the mill end.

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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

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When finished, be SURE to post a video. ?This is industrial beauty at its finest

On Dec 16, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:

Finally got the back gears freed up and in service. Now to free up the knee screw and look at the table power feed. More pictures of the mill end.

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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up

 

Finally got the back gears freed up and in service. Now to free up the knee screw and look at the table power feed. More pictures of the mill end.
Re: Dalton, Lot4

 

Hi Rainer? Early lot 4 several repaired gears teeth n the large back gear.? Compound slide is not a Dalton item something that came from another lathe that has been adapted.? Looks well used and abused. I see several not so good repairs.? Seems high priced at least as far as US prices go.
Dennis

On Friday, December 11, 2020, 11:27:09 AM PST, Rainer Zauritz <r.zauritz@...> wrote:


Hi at all,

seen on Ebay-UK.


Regards from old Germany,

Rainer

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