Hi at all,
seen on Ebay-UK.
Regards from old Germany,
Rainer
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
Actually Dennis you are working with me on this project, just from a distance. You have the knowledge and I can scrub parts pretty good.
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Would be Mr. Muscle oven cleaner time at the Turk works about now.? Wish I was working with you on this. Dennis
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 06:50:29 PM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
Dennis, I think you're on it. I have an apron from a SB lathe and it has little copper tubes directing oil. The holes in the front would just dump oil on the floor without tubes. I have a bunch of wicks I bought for my K&T mill that will work. Here are a couple of pictures of the guts. The whole clutch shaft and gear were like a single casting, seriously glued together.  
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Dennis, I think you're on it. I have an apron from a SB lathe and it has little copper tubes directing oil. The holes in the front would just dump oil on the floor without tubes. I have a bunch of wicks I bought for my K&T mill that will work. Here are a couple of pictures of the guts. The whole clutch shaft and gear were like a single casting, seriously glued together.  
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Going out on a limb here and will say there should be some felt wicks.? Without taking it apart I cant really say but the hole on top of the bushing were the carriage feed gear engages the rack on the bed looks like it should have a wick from some oiling point or is there a way putting oil in the hole when its all assembled.? As to your question about is this standard Dalton practice no this apron is not like any of the smaller lathes aprons.? As to oil if you look at the worm gear drive there is a half cup under the gear this would be to hold oil not grease.? Usually this kind of design the oil draining from other places will be directed into the cup so the worm gear is lubed.? Just a guess on my part here. South Bend did a similar thing with the 9 inch workshop lathe apron.
Dennis
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 12:44:16 PM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
Thanks Dennis. By the way, I'm tearing into the apron as it is like glued together with old grease or cosmoline. I thought the clutch was messed up but it's fine. So clean up time. I'm posting pictures of the apron and wonder if this is a standard Dalton apron and should there be oil tubes from two oil holes on the front into the gear bushings? PK. 
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Thanks Dennis. By the way, I'm tearing into the apron as it is like glued together with old grease or cosmoline. I thought the clutch was messed up but it's fine. So clean up time. I'm posting pictures of the apron and wonder if this is a standard Dalton apron and should there be oil tubes from two oil holes on the front into the gear bushings? PK. 
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
With Sound Beach on the door this would mean that the machine was built some time between 1926 and 1929.
Dennis ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Joan KellySent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:49 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Dalton Combination Machine Start Up ? Sound Beach Conn.
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Sound Beach Conn. 
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Does it say New York or Connecticut. I thought all combination machines were lot 1.
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You do have everything! That is a sweet set up. I've never seen an original drive, just pictures. Love it.
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I forgot to check the serial number. We originally thought it was a Lot 1 but my machine is a Lot 2. The serial number is Lot 2? D 136. With the gear box it has I wonder if it is a late production unit. 
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Serial numbers 229 and 238
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These are my two Dalton combo machines
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rumijohn, this one came from Cal. also. Do you have an original arbor for the horizontal mill? I think it's a B&S No. 11. Do you know if that is correct?? Info is mighty scarce. Have any pictures? Id love to see your machine.
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Let Dennis know your serial number!
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On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:55 PM, rumijohn via < rumijohn@...> wrote:
I thought I was the only one with a combo machine. I moved mine from SoCal to Waco TX. No small feat for a 70+ year old. I still need to set it up and make some chips. Mine is the short bed version and well equipped. Face plates, chucks, steady rests, change gears, etc
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I thought I was the only one with a combo machine. I moved mine from SoCal to Waco TX. No small feat for a 70+ year old. I still need to set it up and make some chips. Mine is the short bed version and well equipped. Face plates, chucks, steady rests, change gears, etc
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Made my first chips on the lathe end and on the mill end. Trying out different tool holders that I have and needed to make a bushing for the draw bar for the spindle arbor. Definitely need more HP. I put a 1 HP motor on but now see they came with a 11/2 HP motor. I have a 2 HP motor I'll put on tonight.  
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On Friday, November 27, 2020, 02:57:10 PM PST, Grey Pilgrim <pilgrim23@...> wrote:
You can be a brat at times :) ?? still that is a beautiful lathe. ?no I did not¡ or didn¡¯t see it. ?I have been SWAMPED with SPAM of late; ?today is 100 times worse with Black Friday ads¡. you ?doing OK sir? ?I have been using my Dalton as a rifling machine for some hobby pistols I have been building. ?I put out a video on how it works once. ?Was doing it on the Grizzly but that machine sucks at it it. ?Using the back gear on the Daltonit is easy to carve a grove then back off turn and cut another...
Hey Bart did you get the email I sent you I think? last week?? Oh and its cast not forged.? Go do some research and look up the difference. HEHEHEHEHE
On Friday, November 27, 2020, 02:48:07 PM PST, Grey Pilgrim < pilgrim23@...> wrote:
Dennis: that is beauty in industrial design. ? ?you say that is FORGED not machined? ?Hard to believe. that is drop jaw gorgeous. ?I need to haunt more antique stores¡¡ Thanks for sharing¡. ?-Bart
Hi Herb
The little blue lathe is an Ames company.? Not BC Ames they were founded much later.? Ames company was founded in the late 1700 in Chipotle Ma.? They were suppliers of swords sabers bayonets and small arms component parts doing the war of 1812.? I have done a bit of research on them and found that there swords and dueling sabers are very highly prized by collectors of such things.? They were masters at casting and metallurgy.? There swords and sabers are very ornate and were noted for there toughness and durability.? Ames started making machine tools in around 1840 I read and the little lathe I have is one of the first machines they built.? Later they were noted for shapers and planers as well as larger lathes.? They were heavy into casting and foundry work during the Civil war I understand.? Noted for casting cannon barrels and supplying rifle musket parts (mostly castings like lock plates hammers and such) for Springfield and Colt during the Civil war.? It looks like they went out of business sometime after the civil war but have not found any history on them closing there factory.
Quite a number of the parts on the little lathe are a testament to there casting expertise.? Many of the parts that look like machined parts are actually castings but so well done they look like machined parts.? Just look at the parts on the tail stock as well as the back gears bull gear and such.? Just wonderful craftsmanship.? I read that about 1847 or sometime before 1850 the bevel gears were changed to straight cut gears and also changed to a round tail stock barrel.? Oh and the bull gear and back gear the teeth are cast not machined.? I? have to wonder if they had not perfected lost wax casting techniques as that is what they look like. The lathe is done other than having the red pin striping put back on it.? The colors are correct as I was able to color match the original paint Herb.? The original paint had been protected by a heavy layer of black paint that was on the lathe when I got it.? I have to wonder just what this lathe cost back in them days as its so finely crafted it had to be expensive and would have been used by clock makers and makers of very fine small items.? Herb if you and any of you other guys what to learn a bit more about this brand of lathe go on Tony Griffiths Lathes UK site in England there is also some photos of component parts to this lathe I sent to Tony.? I have not sent him all the final pictures yet as he is going to do a special section on this lathe on? his site.? As I understand the lathe I have is the fourth or fifth one of the that still exist.? i found this one in a antique shop in Boise Idaho were it had been sitting for over 10 years.? It came to the antique shop by the family of the person that owned it and was told that the old boy was 91 when he passed on in around 2000 and had used the lathe for most of his life.? Here are a couple more interesting pictures of the lathe parts.? Notice the tool post. The only other company I know of that used a tool post that was height adjustable was W. F. & J Barns.? Also what came with the lathe was a full set of 26 forged cutting tools all of differently configurations.? The cutting tools were in three tin playing card boxes that also dated to the mid 1800's. The last picture is what the lathe looked like sitting in the antique shop in Boise.
Dennis
On Friday, November 27, 2020, 12:30:25 PM PST, Herb Kephart < ebtm3@...> wrote:
Hi Dennis What make is that dark blue lathe? It has a lot of features that a belt drive lathe should have. Helical back gears, carriage slots, multiple slots on the cross slide. Not so sure about the square tailstock barrel, which looks like it has a small (#2 MT?) taper hole, but I guess that you can't have everything.
Herb Kephart
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You can be a brat at times :) ?? still that is a beautiful lathe. ?no I did not¡ or didn¡¯t see it. ?I have been SWAMPED with SPAM of late; ?today is 100 times worse with Black Friday ads¡. you ?doing OK sir? ?I have been using my Dalton as a rifling machine for some hobby pistols I have been building. ?I put out a video on how it works once. ?Was doing it on the Grizzly but that machine sucks at it it. ?Using the back gear on the Daltonit is easy to carve a grove then back off turn and cut another...
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Hey Bart did you get the email I sent you I think? last week?? Oh and its cast not forged.? Go do some research and look up the difference. HEHEHEHEHE
On Friday, November 27, 2020, 02:48:07 PM PST, Grey Pilgrim < pilgrim23@...> wrote:
Dennis: that is beauty in industrial design. ? ?you say that is FORGED not machined? ?Hard to believe. that is drop jaw gorgeous. ?I need to haunt more antique stores¡¡ Thanks for sharing¡. ?-Bart
Hi Herb
The little blue lathe is an Ames company.? Not BC Ames they were founded much later.? Ames company was founded in the late 1700 in Chipotle Ma.? They were suppliers of swords sabers bayonets and small arms component parts doing the war of 1812.? I have done a bit of research on them and found that there swords and dueling sabers are very highly prized by collectors of such things.? They were masters at casting and metallurgy.? There swords and sabers are very ornate and were noted for there toughness and durability.? Ames started making machine tools in around 1840 I read and the little lathe I have is one of the first machines they built.? Later they were noted for shapers and planers as well as larger lathes.? They were heavy into casting and foundry work during the Civil war I understand.? Noted for casting cannon barrels and supplying rifle musket parts (mostly castings like lock plates hammers and such) for Springfield and Colt during the Civil war.? It looks like they went out of business sometime after the civil war but have not found any history on them closing there factory.
Quite a number of the parts on the little lathe are a testament to there casting expertise.? Many of the parts that look like machined parts are actually castings but so well done they look like machined parts.? Just look at the parts on the tail stock as well as the back gears bull gear and such.? Just wonderful craftsmanship.? I read that about 1847 or sometime before 1850 the bevel gears were changed to straight cut gears and also changed to a round tail stock barrel.? Oh and the bull gear and back gear the teeth are cast not machined.? I? have to wonder if they had not perfected lost wax casting techniques as that is what they look like. The lathe is done other than having the red pin striping put back on it.? The colors are correct as I was able to color match the original paint Herb.? The original paint had been protected by a heavy layer of black paint that was on the lathe when I got it.? I have to wonder just what this lathe cost back in them days as its so finely crafted it had to be expensive and would have been used by clock makers and makers of very fine small items.? Herb if you and any of you other guys what to learn a bit more about this brand of lathe go on Tony Griffiths Lathes UK site in England there is also some photos of component parts to this lathe I sent to Tony.? I have not sent him all the final pictures yet as he is going to do a special section on this lathe on? his site.? As I understand the lathe I have is the fourth or fifth one of the that still exist.? i found this one in a antique shop in Boise Idaho were it had been sitting for over 10 years.? It came to the antique shop by the family of the person that owned it and was told that the old boy was 91 when he passed on in around 2000 and had used the lathe for most of his life.? Here are a couple more interesting pictures of the lathe parts.? Notice the tool post. The only other company I know of that used a tool post that was height adjustable was W. F. & J Barns.? Also what came with the lathe was a full set of 26 forged cutting tools all of differently configurations.? The cutting tools were in three tin playing card boxes that also dated to the mid 1800's. The last picture is what the lathe looked like sitting in the antique shop in Boise.
Dennis
On Friday, November 27, 2020, 12:30:25 PM PST, Herb Kephart < ebtm3@...> wrote:
Hi Dennis What make is that dark blue lathe? It has a lot of features that a belt drive lathe should have. Helical back gears, carriage slots, multiple slots on the cross slide. Not so sure about the square tailstock barrel, which looks like it has a small (#2 MT?) taper hole, but I guess that you can't have everything.
Herb Kephart
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